[17:32:29] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: How do I allow non-ops to change the topic?
[17:44:12] <werdna>	 mode -t
[17:44:26] <RoanKattouw>	Tried that, ChanServ sets +T
[17:44:29] <RoanKattouw>	+t
[17:45:14] <brion>	nkomura: we meeting over at your place?
[17:45:57] <nkomura>	brion: yes
[17:46:05] <nkomura>	i would come over if there is a room available
[17:46:22] <nkomura>	but last time i checked both conf rooms were not available
[17:47:02] <nkomura>	you have lunch meeting at noon
[17:47:42] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: so /msg chanserv set #wikipedia_usability mlock +n
[17:52:23] <nkomura>	brion: no luck with three conf rooms at stillman
[17:52:52] <nkomura>	can we meet at the usability office as scheduled?
[17:53:05] <nkomura>	will wrap up ten to noon
[17:53:20] <brion>	yep :D
[17:53:23] <brion>	on my way over
[21:51:31] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Seen this? http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6402
[21:51:44] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[21:51:46] <RoanKattouw>	I suspect that's a bug in EditPage.php, not EditToolbar-specific
[21:51:54] <TrevorParscal>	we added a clear: both to the toolbar ages ago
[21:51:59] <RoanKattouw>	19998 lol, getting very close to 20k
[21:52:11] <TrevorParscal>	besides
[21:52:20] <TrevorParscal>	i'm changing the structure of the editor UI right now
[21:52:25] <TrevorParscal>	which still fixes that bug
[21:52:46] <RoanKattouw>	Oh you're making EditPage.php for the NTOC positioning?
[21:57:51] <brion>	who'll win the bug lottery :D
[21:58:28] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah; thank God it moves slower than the SVN lottery
[22:07:16] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Making NTOC depend on the edit toolbar sounds like a bad idea to me
[22:08:06] <TrevorParscal>	um
[22:08:11] <TrevorParscal>	how's that?
[22:08:44] <RoanKattouw>	Because there's a preference, enabled by default, that says "enable edit toolbar" and if you disable that, the EditPageBeforeEditToolbar hook never gets run
[22:12:21] <TrevorParscal>	yeah, so the toc is just an extension to the toolbar
[22:12:25] <TrevorParscal>	it's part of the package
[22:12:32] <TrevorParscal>	we should actually merge them more not less
[22:12:40] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I guess that makes sense
[22:16:18] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Brion asked whether we care about Firefox 3 vs. 3.5 in the OptIn data. Do we?
[22:16:28] <TrevorParscal>	hmm
[22:16:56] <TrevorParscal>	the key diff there would be support for things we are not using... like canvas text rendering and native ogg support
[22:17:24] <TrevorParscal>	I'm not thinking it's important to capture that - as it presents more clutter to the user with no gain to us
[22:18:37] <RoanKattouw>	OK, that's exactly the answer I was hoping for :D
[22:20:08] <RoanKattouw>	brion: I believe all the OptIn/PrefStats issues you brought up yesterday have been fixed. The Special:PrefStats interface is still crude, but then it's only intended to be used by our people and may have to be disabled on larger wikis for performance; we'll want a DB dump for proper analysis anyway
[22:20:32] <brion>	spiffy
[22:33:45] <RoanKattouw>	brion: One more thing, if somehow you've reviewed this and approve and think it's ready to go, please don't just put it live without asking Naoko first ;)
[22:36:12] <brion>	hah
[22:37:43] <RoanKattouw>	Because its deployment was scheduled for August 5th and we'd ideally deploy the special characters thing together with it