[18:32:16] hi Hannes_irc, it is nice to see you on IRC [18:38:49] hi naoko [18:39:27] yes, i havent been here for a while,... since my pc broke and I had to isntall everythin on my new machine [18:42:50] sorry to hear that [18:43:25] it is too bad adam is offline today. he is taking a day off [18:49:50] TrevorParscal and RoanKattouw: it is reported NTOC fails with chrome 3 [18:49:51] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Releases/Babaco#Edit_TOC_in_Google_Chrome_3 [18:50:08] Hm [18:50:14] I'll follow up with some more questions [18:50:23] Could be that it's the positioning issue Trevor fixed, but that fix isn't live [18:50:34] I'll be poking brion about reviewing and deploying bugfixes too [18:51:05] hm, we seem to have a lot of crappy backwards parens on page history view in RTL [18:51:28] seems same in monobook and vector - http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9&action=history&useskin=monobook [testing in ff 3.5/mac] [18:52:22] brion: do you mean the bullets? [18:52:49] similar thing happened for japanese in IE7 before [18:53:36] nkomura: )blah( [18:53:41] where we should see (blah) [18:53:47] (or sometimes other even funner combinations [18:55:12] looks ok for me in safari though. sigh [18:55:15] *brion stabs rtl [18:55:21] brion: That's probably because parens are direction-agnostic characters that try to fit in with their surroundings; that messes up when you've got a paren between an RTL and a LTR char [18:55:36] that's why we force direction in a billion places :) [18:55:44] I edited JavaScript on ar prototype, so I know a little bit about punctuation in RTL now :P [18:55:55] ah well, no worries for now [18:56:13] I assume it only happens when edit summaries have leading or trailing LTR chars anyway [18:56:38] nope [18:56:50] # (????????????) (????????????) (????????/????????) 19:42?? ???????????? 20?? 2008 ???????? ???????? ?????? ???????????? (???????? | ??????????????) ?? (7,167 ????????) (????????) [18:57:35] brion: would you take a screenshot? [18:58:17] sure [18:58:24] your copy/paste looks ok on my chat window [18:58:29] Yeah me too [18:58:34] right, that's rendered by a totally different software :) [18:58:56] but i know what you mean by () -> )( [18:59:25] brion: No it's not, I use ChatZilla [18:59:36] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Screen_shot_2009-10-06_at_11.58.12_AM.png [19:00:12] safari 4 renders it fine. testing opera... [19:00:44] opera 10 beta looks ok [19:01:02] interesting... rare for FF to fuck up worst on these things :D [19:01:09] ff3.5 on mac on TrevorParscal's mac looks ok [19:01:16] i wonder if it's a font issue [19:01:16] i should say relatively ok [19:01:44] yeah, switching default font from Times to Times New Roman or Arial fixes it [19:01:56] TrevorParscal: what's your default font set to in FF? [19:01:59] interesting [19:02:06] Arial [19:02:12] http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5439/picture1ej.png [19:02:29] yeah, Arial & TNR are fine; Helvetica and Times render the parens backwards :P [19:03:30] *brion stabs computer [19:03:51] brion: do not harm your pretter MacAir! [19:04:17] :D [19:11:35] I changed the combine.sh script in UsailibtyInitiative to a proper Makefile [19:11:43] I love the one that Brion did for Vector [19:13:07] Is the one for Vector in SVN yet? [19:13:21] yeah [19:13:25] has been for a while [19:13:30] it works well [19:13:41] ok [19:14:21] so these 2 bugs, 20900 and 20669 - where are we at? [19:14:45] You said IE7 got all borked with the fix for 20900, could you try that again? [19:14:56] Calcey also filed some regressions, which I fixed [19:15:00] I've recreated the FF 2.0 thing - but don't know how to fix it yet [19:15:15] i wuv makefiles [19:15:38] I've been testing the fix for 20900 (r57409) and yeah, it's still not working [19:15:46] do you have IE to test with? [19:15:50] No [19:16:10] BTW could you refine the supported browser stuff so we can blacklist FF == 2.0 and Opera 9.0? [19:16:23] yeah [19:20:03] should we allow Opera >= 9.6 and FF > 2.0 ? [19:22:11] Sounds sane [19:22:35] hmm [19:22:39] this is crappy [19:22:53] versionNumber for 2.0 and 2.0.0.20 are both just 2 [19:23:32] version is a string that contains "2.0" or "2.0.0.20" respectively [19:24:57] i probably should rewrite this ua sniffer... [19:26:04] nkomura - are you there? [19:26:15] hey YaronK! [19:26:45] Hello! [19:27:06] I need to send you the invoice and stuff - I've been rather busy lately... [19:27:40] I had a question, though - the Google Summer of Code "Mentors' Summit" is happening on the weekend of Oct. 24-25, in Mountain View. [19:28:06] Would it make sense to come visit the office before or after that weekend? If so, what dates would be preferable? [19:28:29] are you a mentor for the G summer of code? [19:28:30] (I'll most likely be going to that mentors' summit.) [19:28:35] I was, yes. [19:28:40] cool [19:28:50] It was the whole MediaWiki mapping project. [19:29:34] i think after the conference would work better for us [19:30:00] Alright.. Monday, maybe? Or Monday and Tuesday? [19:30:04] we will be moving in to the new office on the 19th, but i expect it will take a few days for us to settle in [19:30:26] Ah, great, I'll be able to see the new place. [19:30:45] Also, there's the all-staff going on [19:30:49] Starting the 21st IIRC [19:31:01] yeah that too [19:31:36] YaronK: monday is not usually a good day, will you be around till Tuesday? [19:31:50] I could be... [19:32:05] TrevorParscal: Can you reproduce https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20567#c6 ? He says it only happens on Mac OS, works for me on XP [19:32:09] you are welcome to work at our office on monday, but i may not be able to spend much time with you [19:32:25] Okay. Maybe Mon-Tues makes sense, then. [19:32:30] yeah [19:32:34] when is your big day? [19:32:44] Two days ago. :) [19:32:54] congratulations! [19:33:05] congrats! [19:33:20] sorry i missed it.. [19:33:29] pictures? [19:33:31] hi team...just noticed that in my editing> experimental features preferences, its still says "enable help for adding advanced wiki text" [19:33:38] CONGRATULATIONS YARONK! [19:34:46] parutron: Which wiki? [19:34:59] What's Yaron's big day? *ignorance* [19:35:48] english wikipedia and our site......but my mistake, that change will be pushed the next thursday that brion has time for it.... [19:36:10] Yaron was married two days ago.....i gather from naoko! [19:36:20] Oh, congrats YaronK ! [19:36:46] I guess thedj has a point, I'll soon be the only person who hasn't gotten married or had kids over the course of this project [19:39:27] Oh, thanks, everyone - I had to step out for a little while. [19:39:58] I was helping my new brother-in-law pack up his stuff. [19:40:03] congrats! [19:40:10] Thank you! [19:40:23] I hope to have pictures soon - many photos were taken... [19:41:03] speaking of which [19:41:08] parutron: where's your wedding pix? :D [19:41:18] should be here by friday!!! [19:41:20] i can't wait [19:41:21] \o/ [19:41:40] all of the friends' and family's photos are strewn across the interweb [19:41:53] but one evening this week, i'm going to make a nice little page that points to them all [19:41:57] or sucks them all in...... [19:41:57] see that's why we just brought one friend -- made it way easier to manage ;) [19:42:02] tee hee [19:42:09] i just laughed out loud really loudly [19:42:13] catering bill was also a lot smaller, we just took rob to taco bell [19:42:22] mmmmmmm [19:42:26] We should have thought of that. [19:42:28] i <3 taco bell [19:42:47] the double decker taco would have made quite a nice statement about the whole ceremony! [19:43:08] obligatory flickr link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robhalsell/sets/72157619162309221/ [19:43:38] YaronK - brion was married in SF City Hall - the amazing building you see in the pics. [19:43:46] Oooh nice [19:43:54] *RoanKattouw wonders if that's expensive [19:43:55] Ah, very nice. So dapper! [19:43:56] they made some good city halls a hundred years ago :D [19:44:17] ... and why Rob, of all people has your wedding pics [19:44:18] cheap as heck compared to renting someplace out for guests ;) [19:44:19] oooh i love this stuff so much, i am fully looking at all of the pictures for the, er, 4th time now ;) [19:44:39] RoanKattouw: rob has a nice camera, so we just bribe him to come out and photo things from time to time ;) [19:44:54] hehe [19:44:56] heh [19:45:02] I had no idea he dug photography [19:45:06] and yes that's the only time i've worn that suit [19:45:15] When we went to the NYC city hall to get our marriage license, there were a lot of couples getting married there - it certainly looked tempting. [19:45:19] i'm pretty much convinced that people's smiles during there weddings are pretty much unique to that day. [19:45:26] aww [19:45:50] http://www.flickr.com/photos/robhalsell/3595959622/in/set-72157619162309221/ [19:46:07] though i am curious to see what kind of smiles we'll see from you this friday!!! [19:50:37] :DD [20:19:41] the aforementioned breakfast spot around the corner from us: http://www.littleskilletsf.com/ [20:23:31] oooh [20:50:57] RoanKattouw: take a look at the new system for browser black-listing [20:51:04] r57436 [20:53:25] Ooh the syntax is pretty [22:29:44] roan gave me the beta retention stats and beta trial has surpassed 237K and 185K people are using beta now [23:39:57] nkomura, TrevorParscal, and nimish_g - going by our percentages last time, i think it'll be safe to turn off our notice/banner at 750 recruits. [23:40:11] sounds good [23:40:47] we should just reach it by the end of the day tomorrow. [23:44:13] *werdna throws http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Feedback at parutron [23:46:26] *parutron catches [23:46:32] *parutron opens [23:46:43] *parutron scrolls [23:48:28] yay - lots of feedback! [23:49:04] yeah, I got a write-up in this week's Wikipedia Signpost [23:49:39] excellent - and much of it seems good? [23:50:23] started-by can certainly be nixed - those columns were just suggestions of highlighting useful information. not sure what's most useful to active wiki-discussioners. [23:50:30] discussers [23:50:37] tee hee [23:50:56] werdna what are you doing up?????? [23:50:56] :) [23:51:03] lauren is cleaning [23:51:24] why i lauren up????? [23:52:17] I dunno, because we have no sleep schedule [23:53:51] does lauren work from you place too? [23:54:28] lauren is unemployed :) [23:54:40] she doesn't get time off as easily as I do