[00:00:01] got it. hey - are you coming out here for all staff? [00:00:58] unfortunately not -- clashes with a trip to belgium I booked like a month ago [00:02:41] not clashes, but I can't get a flight out that works with both budget and schedule. [00:05:03] *werdna wanders in the direction of bed [00:07:25] goodnight werdna [15:05:42] *RobH sees a highlist from his name from yesterday [15:05:48] RoanKattouw: i love cameras =] [15:05:55] Heh [15:06:24] I was kinda surprised that Brion would have really small wedding and get a guy from the other coast to do his pictures :P [15:07:37] I was the bestman/maidofhonor/photographer [15:07:43] ;] [15:07:51] i wear many hats. [15:13:58] organizing events is a pain in the ass [15:14:26] plus my family's really laid back, and marti's family already married her off years ago to her ex so they're weddinged out ;) [15:14:39] heh [15:14:55] Well they're kinda far away too [15:15:09] yeah, hard to get folks from california and illinois together :) [15:15:13] plus our florida buddies [15:15:31] hell i couldn't even get my family to agree on someplace [15:15:40] my grandparents are old and crotchety and hate traveling now [15:15:42] Heh and that's just LA vs. SF right? [15:16:48] yeah... my aunt's got a ranch house in carmel valley (closer to sf than to la) which would have been a nice location for a small family wedding, but even that was too hard to organize :D [15:16:54] *brion-breakfast loves having a family of procrastinators [15:19:57] Do you know of any afforable bike rental places in the Bay Area BTW? Most places I can find are $28/day, I found this place on at 1 Market St (literally number 1) that's supposed to have $19.95/day but they don't have a web site. Still, I'm used to prices being < $15/day ^^ [15:20:22] -on [15:35:04] RoanKattouw: bike rental is primarily a European phenomenon [15:35:16] I know, but there's plenty of places I found [15:35:37] Of course most of those are "bike across the Golden Gate bridge!" [15:35:47] you're lucky you're going to San Francisco [15:35:51] Which means they're in North Beach at best [15:36:09] Yeah, it seems to be a bike-friendly city for American standards [15:36:14] and not the rest of the US, where they'd ask "Public transport? Why don't you just rent a car?" [15:38:36] Yeah [15:38:47] I was surprised you could take bikes on BART, let alone that people actually did it [16:38:08] heh... http://www.quirksmode.org/webkit.html [18:05:47] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Parul_Vora [19:11:47] hi rand! [19:11:58] i just looked over the mocks you sent over.....thanks for sharing! [19:12:39] i started writing you an email, but was wondering if there was some type of feedback that would be more useful than others..... [19:21:04] parutron: rand is not in this room [20:03:09] TrevorParscal: Could you look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21033 ? I've indicated what I think the issue is, and if I'm right I will be able to fix it, but it's a Safari bug so I need you to verify if I'm right [20:37:15] RoanKattouw: $.isOperaBroken == true on safari 3.2.1 on windows vista (NT 6) [20:38:37] :O [20:39:05] What's textarea.val() in that function then? [20:45:52] TrevorParscal: Can you see what textarea.val() is just before $.isOperaBroken is set? [20:46:18] yeah - hld [20:46:28] how are you going about doing that? [20:47:48] It's in $.wikiEditor.fixOperaBrokenness() [20:49:02] On its first run it creates a textarea, does some testing on it, then inspects textarea.val() to see if the result got messed up, sets $.isOperaBroken and removes the textarea again. Can you find out what the value of textarea.val() is just before the if statement that sets $.isOperaBroken? [20:52:14] parutron: nkomura_away nimish_g TrevorParscal fooood or y'all already ate? [20:52:41] we ate with Michael at about 12:15 [20:52:47] bah [20:52:48] i'm telecommuting today [20:52:48] were you guys in a meeting or something? [20:52:52] yeah you just missed it =\ [20:52:52] yeah [20:52:53] i am eating at my desk right now ;/ [20:52:58] interviewin a cto candidate whee [20:52:59] :/ [20:53:05] :/ [20:53:09] bah [20:53:11] hey, that's not the face i'm making [20:53:14] ok we eat then [20:53:23] that's not the picture I want it to be either [20:53:32] brion-away: we have lunch date with you tomorrow ;) [20:54:39] :o [20:54:53] I can top that, I'm going to Paris with nkomura_away [20:56:05] shh, the team here doesn't know that yet [21:00:12] RoanKattouw: [21:00:22] Barfoo\nbar [21:00:32] i mean BARfoo\nbar [21:00:37] ... [21:00:47] That looks like the insert-at-the-beginning bug *sigh* [21:00:48] but it's in an alert, so I don't know which characters are being used for the line breaks [21:01:05] I'll look at it in a sec, compiling a list of addresses for my trip now [21:01:09] k [21:01:33] RoanKattouw: i'm just using safari 3.2.1 on vista - do you have that availalbe? [21:02:02] Neither [21:02:14] And my Windows XP install is borked so IE and Safari crash all the time [21:02:28] I think there may be an easy fix but I'd have to look at the code [21:02:30] *RoanKattouw looks [21:04:01] It might need a textarea.focus(); after or instead of textarea.select(); [21:08:28] TrevorParscal: Can you try doing a textarea.focus(); after the textarea.select(); and see what happens? [21:16:50] RoanKattouw: nope, doesn't seem to change anything [21:17:01] Grmbl [21:17:05] it's off by 1 character for each line [21:17:21] which is totally the \r\n vs \n thing from what I can tell [21:17:28] Yeah, but that's because it mistakenly corrects for Opera brokenness [21:18:07] *TrevorParscal discovers strange case where user agent sniffing wins over feature sniffing [21:18:33] Could you verify that textarea.val().substr(-4) == "\nBAR" and change the test to textarea.val().substr(-4) == "BARr" ? [21:18:33] we need to at least black-list safari from this test [21:19:04] That way we'd be detecting the exact failure that Opera produces rather than the weird one that Safari does [21:19:38] alert( textarea.val().substr(-4) == "\nBAR" ); was "false" [21:19:53] OK what is substr(-4) then? [21:20:21] " bar" [21:21:22] A space? Well whatever, changing the substr(-1) == "R check to substr(-4) != "BARr" should do it I think [21:22:20] RoanKattouw: actually [21:22:35] it's "\n bar" i think [21:23:05] Hm whatever [21:23:14] Lemme try if flipping the test still works for Opera [21:23:26] http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6074/picture1kk.png [21:24:14] Huh [21:24:18] Well whatever [21:24:42] so you are going to tweak the testing approach? [21:24:50] Yes [21:25:01] I'm just testing it on Opera and Firefox now [21:25:14] It'd still detect Opera like it says it does, but leave Safari alone [21:26:41] *TrevorParscal heads to stillman for a moment [22:05:24] *RoanKattouw WTFs [22:05:34] I can actually reproduce the optin/out-changes-variant-back-to-default bug