[16:49:41] <RoanKattouw_away>	nkomura adam_miller parutron: Cary wants you guys to join #wikimedia-office :)
[17:18:20] *werdna 	waves
[17:19:34] *RoanKattouw 	waves werdna over to #wikimedia-office for Naoko's office hour
[17:23:29] <werdna>	I'm also there
[17:24:31] <werdna>	nkomura: for after office hours: what do you guys usually do for a windows install for testing stuff? Erik's approved me grabbing a copy of windows for testing, but I'm not sure which windows is most cost efficient and effective for testing IE6+
[17:28:18] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller: I'm overhauling the NTOC resize code. Why do the drag functions bind to mousemove and mouseup events on absolutely every element on the page?
[17:28:56] <adam_miller>	they dont?
[17:29:10] <adam_miller>	it binds to the document
[17:29:13] <adam_miller>	$()
[17:29:41] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[17:29:48] <RoanKattouw>	And why is that necessary?
[17:30:13] <adam_miller>	what, exactly? binding to the document vs. the elements themselves?
[17:31:11] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:31:31] <RoanKattouw>	It seems to me like binding to the document generates more noise, and that binding to the element should work in theory
[17:32:23] <adam_miller>	maybe in theory, but if the mouse moves faster than the code can keep up with, the mousemove or mouseup events wont fire on the elements with the handlers bound to them
[17:32:32] <RoanKattouw>	Hm true
[17:32:56] <adam_miller>	we could bind it to wikiEditor-ui
[17:33:20] <adam_miller>	well, no i'd rather keep it on the document unless we've got real reasons not to
[17:33:29] <RoanKattouw>	OK that's all good
[17:33:33] <adam_miller>	otherwise you could get the thing stuck to your mouse
[17:33:42] <adam_miller>	if the mouseup event fires outside
[18:22:29] <nkomura_away>	werdna: i'm back
[18:23:42] <nkomura>	werdna: I would say XP, Vista and Windows 7
[18:30:15] <parutron>	hey guys.....have we updated the pics on the landing page for "try beta"?
[18:30:25] <parutron>	if not i'll go ahead and grab some screenshots now
[19:12:26] <parutron>	adam_miller_away: you there?  curious why when i go to our deployment site it bounces me to prototype....
[19:19:18] <nkomura>	parutron: there is no difference between prototype and deployment URLs right now
[19:19:33] <nkomura>	we are staging the most up-to-date release candidate on prototype
[19:19:39] <nkomura>	prototype(s) i mean
[19:19:47] <parutron>	huh i thought they were both running the same code, but was confused by the redirect....
[19:20:11] <nkomura>	they used to run a different code, one from head and the other from the deployment branch
[19:20:28] <parutron>	maybe i just don't get the mysetery behind the magic.  either way as long as i know what i'm looking at is what users will get ;)
[19:20:29] <nkomura>	we are evaluating the build which will be released
[19:20:43] <nkomura>	yup
[19:20:57] <nkomura>	what you see on prototypes are the experience users will get
[19:20:59] <parutron>	ah, i see.
[19:21:09] <parutron>	(i.e the build)
[19:21:10] <nkomura>	if you see anything odd, please report
[19:21:14] <parutron>	definitely!
[20:43:23] <RoanKattouw>	parutron: adam_miller_away fixed the CollapsibleTabs bouncing you identified, and I pushed the fix to the prototypes. When you get back, could you try and see if it's fixed?
[20:43:42] <parutron>	i'm here!
[20:43:45] <parutron>	i will check it out
[20:43:55] <adam_miller_away>	amazing how i can code while i'm not here, isn't it?
[20:45:31] *RoanKattouw 	is in awe
[20:45:43] <parutron>	tee hee
[20:46:31] <nkomura>	is anyone one the blocker bug 21486?
[20:46:56] <nkomura>	"advanced" is not working for Safari 3 and IE7
[20:47:49] <RoanKattouw>	nkomura: Should be fixed on trunk, I have yet to merge the fix
[20:47:57] <RoanKattouw>	This is the one where clicking "Advanced" does nothing, right?
[20:48:03] <nkomura>	right
[20:48:12] <nkomura>	it was also reported for IE7 by howie
[20:49:23] <nkomura>	RoanKattouw: at the end of your day, please update the prototypes with the most recent build
[20:49:28] <RoanKattouw>	Will do
[20:49:34] <nkomura>	i'll ask calcey to verify the fixed bugs
[20:49:37] <RoanKattouw>	I've just deployed Adam's bouncing tabs fix
[20:49:46] <RoanKattouw>	I usually update the software first, then close the bug
[20:49:56] <nkomura>	i have a feeling more revs are coming ;)
[20:50:04] <nkomura>	that
[20:50:08] <nkomura>	that's fine
[20:50:23] <nkomura>	and let me know the final build number
[20:50:37] <nkomura>	i know you told me how to look it up from special page
[20:51:08] <nkomura>	but it is good to have confirmation from you so that calcey can verify what the build number as well
[20:52:39] <RoanKattouw>	Will do
[20:53:08] <RoanKattouw>	IE fixes deployed
[21:09:58] <parutron>	RoanKattouw: no more bounce!
[21:10:09] <RoanKattouw>	Yay
[21:10:45] <parutron>	feel free to keep sending things to check my way - i know all of these little things are piling up and you're going it alone today
[21:16:38] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that's true, Trevor and Nimish aren't in
[21:16:42] <RoanKattouw>	Or not for us that is
[21:16:50] <RoanKattouw>	parutron: Do you have IE readily available?
[21:16:59] <parutron>	i do not.
[21:17:15] <nkomura>	i believe howie has
[21:17:41] <RoanKattouw>	Oh that'd be nice
[21:17:55] <nkomura>	i don't see him in the room though
[21:18:01] <RoanKattouw>	I just closed two IE bugs on the basis of "hopefully fixed", maybe he can verify
[21:19:13] <parutron>	RoanKattouw: howie has bootcamp and has IE7 there.  he doesn't have an irc client there though - does chat work for you?
[21:19:14] <nkomura>	RoanKattouw: you will need to install virtualization though
[21:19:21] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[21:19:29] <RoanKattouw>	I tried to install Xen, but it kind of exploded in my face
[21:19:30] <nkomura>	hopefully soon
[21:19:40] <nimish_g_>	RoanKattouw: we're in, we're just doing other fun things
[21:19:57] <RoanKattouw>	So I'm gonna reinstall Linux on my laptop (KUbuntu this time, been planning this before) and hopefully then Xen will work
[21:20:04] <parutron>	howie's handle is howiefung
[21:20:19] <parutron>	gchat
[21:20:20] <parutron>	aim
[21:20:24] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I have him
[21:20:38] <RoanKattouw>	I'll poke him in a minute; no point if he's not at his computer
[21:22:39] <parutron>	he's there
[21:26:02] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[21:26:03] *RoanKattouw 	pokes
[21:42:32] <RoanKattouw>	howief: OK could you refresh the page and try the Advanced link again?
[21:42:51] <RoanKattouw>	Oops wait a second
[21:43:09] <howief>	k
[21:43:41] <RoanKattouw>	OK now it should work
[21:44:13] <howief>	nice!
[21:44:21] <howief>	so the advanced controls just loaded
[21:44:46] <howief>	same with special characters and help
[21:44:54] <howief>	the TOC is still pointing me to the wrong place
[21:46:07] <howief>	when i click on the article title in the TOC, it doesn't do anything
[21:50:52] <RoanKattouw>	Hm
[21:51:00] <RoanKattouw>	It doesn't even turn the element you clicked white?
[21:51:24] <howief>	sometimes
[21:51:44] <howief>	it's pretty random
[21:51:51] <howief>	sometimes the element will turn white, but after i click on something else, and upon mouseover
[21:52:35] <howief>	so i'm on
[21:52:41] <howief>	http://prototype.wikimedia.org/d-en/index.php?title=Pavia&action=edit
[21:52:48] <RoanKattouw>	Hmmm, then it's probably a lack of focussing or something
[21:52:52] <howief>	when i click on "sister projects" on the TOC
[21:52:59] <howief>	"sister projects" doesn't turn white
[21:53:03] <howief>	but when i mouse over "history"
[21:53:07] <howief>	"history" turns white
[21:53:16] <RoanKattouw>	WTF
[21:53:24] <RoanKattouw>	That's just weird
[21:53:31] <howief>	yeah it's really strange
[21:53:32] <RoanKattouw>	I'll look at it in a minute
[22:37:47] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller_away: FYI, I cleaned up the resize/collapse code in wikiEditor.toc.js quite a bit; some coding style / whitespace changes still to come
[22:39:50] <RoanKattouw>	howief: OK could you refresh the page (Shift+Refresh if it doesn't work) and try the TOC thing again?
[22:46:48] <parutron>	what happened to the logo?
[22:46:52] <parutron>	it's gone for me
[22:46:53] <parutron>	haha
[22:49:36] <werdna>	nkomura: all of those?
[22:49:54] <werdna>	nkomura: are you guys still interested in pulling me into SF to finish some of the design aspects of LQT
[22:54:58] <RoanKattouw>	parutron: Where?
[22:55:10] <werdna>	hey parutron
[22:55:17] <parutron>	hi werdna!
[22:55:19] <parutron>	where've you been.
[22:55:25] <parutron>	RoanKattouw: on english prototype
[22:55:40] <werdna>	parutron: athens, pompeii, rome, paris
[22:55:44] <werdna>	doing my european thing
[22:55:52] <werdna>	gotta stay in one place for a while to actually do some work :D
[22:55:56] <RoanKattouw>	Oh yeah I suddenly understand why it's gone
[22:56:26] <RoanKattouw>	parutron: Try the logo again?
[22:58:38] <RoanKattouw>	Anybody else around with Internet Explorer handy?
[22:58:52] <werdna>	need to get myself a copy :)
[22:58:59] <parutron>	i think it's just howie ;/
[22:59:36] <parutron>	sweet, it's back!
[22:59:38] <werdna>	where's trevor these days?
[23:02:20] <RoanKattouw>	He's been confisquated by the fundraiser folks
[23:07:06] <werdna>	really? ha!
[23:07:26] <werdna>	before or after the fun with forgetting to test on IE?
[23:07:40] <RoanKattouw>	Before *grrrr*
[23:08:08] <RoanKattouw>	My favorite:
[23:08:13] <RoanKattouw>	if ( e.button !== 0 ) { return true; }
[23:08:55] <RoanKattouw>	Look up e.button on Quirksmode --> Firefox says e.button is 0,1,2 for left,middle,right , IE says e.button is a bitmask of 1,2,4
[23:09:28] <RoanKattouw>	So I changed it to if ( e.button !== 0 && ( e.button & 1 ) == 0 )
[23:10:06] <RoanKattouw>	Which took three tries to get right, because I put in || instead of && first, then forgot the parentheses around e.button & 1 which changes the meaning of the expression quite a bit
[23:11:16] <werdna>	ha
[23:38:59] <werdna>	parutron: do you know where nkomura is?
[23:51:59] <parutron>	in an interview
[23:54:08] <werdna>	ah, that explains it :)
[23:57:41] <RoanKattouw>	Who's she interviewing?
[23:59:11] <parutron>	i think a CTO prospect