[15:52:17] http://hannestank.de/WUD/ [16:25:56] hannes-_-: Ich bin nach Kontinente -> Nordamerika -> USA -> San Francisco gegangen, und es zeigt mir eine Beginn- und Endezeit, aber keine Datum [16:26:34] Oder ist dies alles auf derselben Tag (World Usability Day)? [16:27:25] Und es gibt ein Bug: es sagt dass in Kanada 2 St??dte teilnehmen, aber es zeigt mir nur Ottawa [16:32:00] hey roan du sprichst ja deutsch [16:32:40] ja, der worldusability day war der 12.11. also alles an einem tag [16:32:56] da sind noch viele bugs drin. aber danke f?r den hinweis [16:40:35] Ist das gestern oder 11 Dezember? [16:40:49] Oh "war" 12.11 [16:41:59] Morning nkomura , Hannes was just showing me a web site he made for World Usability Day, which was yesterday [16:42:27] wow [16:42:33] i'd love to see it too [16:42:41] i guess i can find the link in the log [16:42:51] Yeah [16:46:32] nice [16:46:34] hello nkomura [16:48:52] hey werdna [16:49:29] did you get myr esponse to your response yesterday? [16:49:37] you were apparently off interviewing :) [16:49:43] no i didn't notice [16:49:50] i was in the meetings whole afternoon [16:50:17] hannes-_-: beautiful web site you created [16:50:23] werdna: what was your reply [16:50:25] ? [16:51:03] let me find it [16:51:15] 22:49 < werdna> nkomura: all of those? [16:51:20] heh, not very substantial [16:51:24] ah [16:51:38] I was asking about what windowses you usually got for people to test on IE versions, figuring you'd have some experience [16:51:40] it was rather a smaller set i thought [16:52:05] well, in theory I'd like to get one windows license that allows me to test on IE6-10 or so [16:52:16] we don't specifically OS differentiation [16:52:23] but for us to test IE5-8 [16:52:32] i think three versions are necessary [16:52:46] there are IE9 and IE10 already available? [16:53:04] what version of IE is shipped with Windows7? [16:53:30] 8, I think [16:53:40] thought so [16:53:43] and no they're not, but I figure I'd like to be able to test on them when they do appear [16:53:59] probably [16:54:10] nkomura, werdna: FYI, we generally screw IE5 because it's just too old [16:54:10] MSIE5.5 0.11% of clients, MSIE 5.0 0.03%, MSIE 5.1 0.02% [16:54:28] they're probably all old scripts impersonating MSIE5.5, too [17:15:57] good mornin [18:02:41] Morning Trevor, how'd the fundraiser work go? [18:02:57] great - I mean, we got IE6 to be happy [18:03:07] it is good to have TrevorParscal back [18:03:24] nimish is likely taken away again today [18:04:00] RoanKattouw and TrevorParscal: [18:04:14] beta opt-in process is still not right [18:04:17] I know [18:04:22] I haven't gotten to it yet [18:04:31] Hopefully will today or tomorrow [18:04:54] i found additional problem that account creation now leads to log-out page [18:05:04] Huh [18:05:13] so you don't opt-in even if you finish the beta opt-in process [18:05:22] seems old problem came back [18:05:36] You mean the returnto link on some success page? [18:07:49] return to is directed to logout page [18:08:03] therefore you log out and opted out [18:08:14] same happens even you hit main page [18:08:29] Oh that's definitely a bug, we have this policy of never pointing a returnto to Special:Userlogout [18:08:41] Huh, that's weird [18:08:46] it is easy to replicate [18:09:09] i started feeling great about beta opt-in numbers [18:09:28] those folks really went through the challenges as we make it so difficult to opt-in [18:09:30] ;) [18:09:37] I'm taking the day off today, so could you compose an e-mail or a bug report with the issues you found, steps to reproduce and expected behavior? [18:09:48] sure [18:09:50] Yeah well if you're an anon it's difficult I guess, it's easier if you're a logged in user [18:10:15] we want to invite as many as anon as possible [18:10:21] My gut feeling is that most opted-in people were already involved with Wikipedia [18:11:12] Of course we don't have reliable data for that, but I guess it would be feasible to correlate opt-in timestamps with account creation timestamps (disregarding SUL creations) [18:32:22] nkomura ... I want to opt in once for all my profiles [18:32:27] ALL my profiles [18:32:42] hm? [18:33:30] all 465 of them [18:33:38] not one at a time :) [18:34:17] pretty please ? [18:34:56] and when you are at in ... I live in the same time zone for all of them [18:35:57] are you talking about user preference? [18:36:53] werdna was talking about global preference last weekend [18:37:05] so perhaps he can propose a new idea? [18:37:06] yes I am [18:37:31] got to run to the meeting [18:37:33] ttyl [18:38:49] GerardM-: Yeah we need global prefs for that, which we currently don't have [18:40:16] We (or at least I, we didn't really discuss it much) realized this deficiency from the very beginning, but we rely on the rest of the tech team to provide us with the infrastructure [18:51:46] so prod werdna :) [18:52:15] he talked about it .... [18:55:29] ? [18:56:01] werdna: We want global prefs for usability opt-in [18:56:35] I have to go now, but we should talk about this later (or you could talk about it with TrevorParscal and nimish_g_ ) [18:57:12] we've been appropriated for fund-raising again, but things are less explody today [18:58:21] RoanKattouw: well, the patch exists [18:58:40] werdna: Bug #? [18:59:09] oh wait, global prefs, not anon prefs [18:59:15] but yes, the patch still exists [18:59:21] there are a few issues with it [19:00:43] reverted in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49932 [19:01:16] OK I'll take a look at it, using the reverse diff of 49932 [19:01:32] it works fine, but the interface for selecting which preferences to make global is not there [19:01:44] Provided that has nkomura 's blessing; it might also have to be postponed till after the as yet unscheduled deployment next week-ish [19:01:54] fair enough [19:02:20] Ah yes; I think the three of us can come up with a decent interface :) [19:25:05] nimish_g_: hey do you know when/if we're gonna get this thing for 2009: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics [19:26:07] werdna: I do not, haven't talked to tomasz or rand abt it yet [19:26:17] right now we have a basic stats page [23:44:42] mdale!