[17:40:22] <TrevorParscal>	anyone around yet?
[18:40:14] <hannes-_->	trevor? are u there?
[18:40:22] <hannes-_->	TrevorParscal: there?
[18:43:21] <TrevorParscal>	ok
[18:43:25] <TrevorParscal>	office meeting over
[18:45:15] <hannes-_->	do you know if there is a negative letterspacing in the left navigation?
[18:45:24] <hannes-_->	looks like if I rebuild it on ps
[20:33:08] <hannes-_->	developers: looks the ntoc does not work in w3m. known bug?
[20:38:29] <RoanKattouw>	What's w3m?
[20:38:44] <RoanKattouw>	And what does "not work" mean in this context? The NTOC is half broken to begin with
[20:40:47] <adam_miller_>	RoanKattouw: is the bustedness something you're working on? anyway I can help out there?
[20:46:10] <RoanKattouw>	Currently, when I'm not watching a movie, I'm working on some wrapping code for Nimish with a tricky DOM traversal algorithm
[20:46:44] <RoanKattouw>	You can try to help with the NTOC brokenness if you want, it involves fixing context.fn.getSelection()
[20:47:01] <RoanKattouw>	Which is supposed to move the selection in the iframe in evil browser-specific ways
[20:49:26] <hannes-_->	I am not talking about prototype
[20:50:13] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[20:50:25] <RoanKattouw>	Still, I never heard of w3m :)
[20:50:38] <nkomura>	is there production issues?
[20:51:39] <hannes-_->	http://w3m.sourceforge.net/
[20:51:50] <hannes-_->	I don t use that myself
[20:52:00] <hannes-_->	someone told me that vector does not work
[20:53:04] <RoanKattouw>	nkomura: Apparently Vector, NTOC are broken in some obscure browser
[20:53:07] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: ----^^
[20:53:26] <nkomura>	i glanced at the link
[20:53:38] <hannes-_->	it definelty os obscure
[20:53:49] <hannes-_->	might be used by handicapped users....?
[20:54:43] <nkomura>	we have hard time keeping up even supporting major browser variance
[20:55:20] <nkomura>	so we are not in the position to work on an edge case at this moment
[20:55:26] <nkomura>	but if it is accessibility issue,
[20:55:32] <nkomura>	for handicap folks
[20:55:40] <nkomura>	i'd like to learn more about it
[20:55:51] <hannes-_->	I have no idea - I just wanted to report that bug
[20:58:44] <werdna>	apparently there was a fatality at Lille on the LGV.
[20:58:52] <werdna>	I can't find anything about it on the internets
[21:19:17] <RoanKattouw>	LGV?
[21:22:15] <RoanKattouw>	Do you mean TGV or Eurostar?
[22:05:15] <adam_miller_>	RoanKattouw: do you know of any browser which the NTOC is currently functioning properly in?
[22:06:56] <RoanKattouw>	Nope
[22:07:05] <RoanKattouw>	Not the text moving thing at least
[22:07:13] <RoanKattouw>	I wrote it for Firefox but it doesn't like it for some reason
[22:09:39] <adam_miller_>	yeah i'm wondering when it stopped working
[22:09:53] <adam_miller_>	not long ago it was still fine in FF
[22:10:06] <RoanKattouw>	That would be before we started using the iframe, is my guess
[22:10:20] <RoanKattouw>	Feel free to dive into it, I've got plenty of other tasks
[22:10:31] <adam_miller_>	it seems like most of the code is still operating on the textarea
[22:10:44] <RoanKattouw>	Indirectly, it's not
[22:11:00] <RoanKattouw>	The textSelection plugin is really weird right now, it'll pick the iframe over the textarea if it's there
[22:11:10] <adam_miller_>	so something like context.$textarea.textSelection will actually be run on the iframe?
[22:11:20] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[22:11:23] <adam_miller_>	haha
[22:11:25] <RoanKattouw>	Only that function though
[22:11:32] <RoanKattouw>	I know, it's totally crazy
[22:11:37] <adam_miller_>	not confusing code at all
[22:11:44] <RoanKattouw>	We're meaning to rewrite that some day but we've got more urgent things to do
[22:12:07] <adam_miller_>	alright, we'll i'm diving through it trying to figure out where it's breaking
[22:12:30] <RoanKattouw>	I think it's throwing an error in Firebug, should be a good starting point
[22:14:06] <adam_miller_>	i'm not seeing it
[22:15:00] <RoanKattouw>	Have you clicked a section in the NTOC?
[22:15:27] <adam_miller_>	yes
[22:15:56] <RoanKattouw>	Hm, looks like my code is not getting called, WTF
[22:16:05] <RoanKattouw>	Jumping used to work
[22:16:08] <adam_miller_>	yeah it doesnt seem to make it into context.$textarea.textSelection
[22:16:10] <RoanKattouw>	Just moving the cursor didn't
[22:16:19] <RoanKattouw>	Well I'm off to bed now, so good luck :)
[22:16:29] <adam_miller_>	alright i'll keep playing around
[23:16:04] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: ps, i note that there is serif vs sans-serif inconsistency on the different levels of content headers (and even between editsection spans) in the sandboxes (1 and 5 at least)
[23:16:42] <TrevorParscal>	Yeah, I'm not involved in that work actually