[14:47:22] Morning nimish_g ; are you still in Boston? [14:48:11] in New York, but same idea...my flight's tonight so I'm working today [14:50:10] Right; I figured you weren't the kind of person that gets on IRC before 7 AM :) [14:52:10] hehehe yep [15:41:51] Happy New Year [15:48:09] Happy New Year :) [15:49:00] Happy Fourth Day Of The New Year [15:50:25] how were you holidays? [15:50:38] They were nice [15:50:56] I went to the CCC conference in Berlin (weren't you also in Germany for the holidays, Naoko?) [15:51:15] I was [15:51:47] mostly in Bayern and in Northern Germany for a few days [15:53:07] RoanKattouw: what version of ubuntu do you use? [15:55:12] 9.10 since today [15:55:14] (jaunty) [15:55:41] I installed KUbuntu today, boots faster and seems to be more aware of the fact that it's running on a laptop [15:56:02] do you run OpenOffice too? [15:56:38] Yeah but I rarely use it [15:56:44] Only for my invoices really [15:57:03] Which reminds me that I need to submit my December invoice [15:57:35] i use 9.04 and last update stripped off OpenOffice and I can't restore it as it gives me conflicts [15:57:49] i was wondering if you have experienced something similar [16:04:46] I got conflicts all over the place, after doing a major upgrade on 9.04 the GUI wouldn't even load any more [16:05:04] So I gave up and upgraded to 9.10 and KUbuntu, which I'd been intending to do for months [16:06:31] nkomura: Does enabling stuff on Commons for Guillaume count towards my invoiceable hours? Is the separation between the Stanton and Ford usability projects thin enough for that? [16:07:59] if you can make a remark that it was for multi-media usability (ford) [16:08:04] that'll be great [16:08:07] Sure [16:31:44] nkomura: Your out-of-office autoreply is still turned on [16:53:49] Morning guillom ; I intend to roll out GlobalUsage, WikimediaLicenseTexts and GIF thumbnailing on Commons later this morning [16:54:26] Probably around 10:30 AM PT so all the ops folks are around to make me feel safe [16:58:58] hi RoanKattouw_away ; awesome :) [16:59:27] RoanKattouw_away: thanks for the reminder [17:00:01] i have to wait for fred to turn off the OOO notice for me [19:48:25] hey little question, why doesn't the new toolbar thing have a tool for entering in citations? [19:48:40] With citation templates? [19:48:45] Because citation templates vary per-wiki [19:49:24] but if this can be adjusted in a sorta "extension for the extension" [19:50:28] That can be done locally in MediaWiki:Common.js [19:50:42] The toolbar has an API that allows you to add new buttons and stuff [19:50:59] yeah. So why can't EN.wp at least try implementing something like that? [19:51:38] Ask them [19:54:35] while we're at it, they should write an extension to use a reference system ?? la BibTeX [19:55:56] I am hoping we (the usability team) can propose universal reference tool [19:56:10] once we have template folding under control and stablized [20:28:29] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RefTools_UsabilityInitutive_Mockup.svg freaking svg parser [20:36:51] What? [20:38:44] made a mockup of what I had in mind [20:39:01] Ah [20:39:08] So the "freaking SVN parser" was positive? :) [20:48:16] SVG [20:53:18] freaking SVG parser prevented me from showing it quicker (see the history) [20:53:49] yeah...''that'' is something the tech guys are having issues with, the svg parser can't seem to handle flowed text properly. [20:54:14] Hm [21:17:13] TrevorParscal: child.jQueryInherit.hooks is not an object jquery.inherit.js:87 in IE8 [21:18:17] Wait now it's gone [21:18:19] WTF [21:18:28] RoanKattouw: puzling, because it works just fine in this example - and its the same code, the diff is our code... http://eric.garside.name/inherit/ [21:18:30] I had an error in IE and after going into IE7 compat mode and back out it just disappeared [21:19:37] nkomura: just placed the corrected order with dell, so both usability servers are ordered =] [21:19:39] BTW Tomasz is talking about going to Fosdem in the first weekend in February, would partly coincide with my tentative time in the office (Feb 1-5, and Fosdem is 6-7 so flight out on the 4th) [21:21:01] RobH: thank YOU! [21:22:03] my pleasure, only took....months. ;P [21:22:37] RobH: what is the current estimated ETA of servers @ DC? [21:23:06] TrevorParscal: BTW could you e-mail me that picture (if you have access to it at work)? [21:23:15] looking for copy [21:23:51] no idea yet on the apple, they have not emailed me the tracking information. dell ETA is 1/19 [21:26:56] RobH: thanks [21:47:14] hmm, nimish told me template folding is working in the sandbox [21:47:27] but so far i have no luck in either 3 or 6 [21:47:40] does anyone know where i can play with it? [21:48:00] nkomura: It's in 7 [21:48:02] I think [21:48:02] nimish is on the flight back to SF so i can't get hold of him any more [21:48:18] Look at http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sandbox to make sure [21:48:20] okay [21:48:48] the table says sandbox6 [21:48:52] nimish said 3 [21:48:59] you say 7 ;-) [21:49:16] lol [21:49:21] Whatever the table says should be correct [21:49:25] But you may need to enable it in your prefs [21:49:34] that i didn't do [21:49:55] will do that [21:50:55] is the setting under "experimental features? [21:51:00] i don't see it there though [21:51:01] Should be [21:51:05] *RoanKattouw goes to look [21:51:14] oh wait [21:51:22] i might have been in a different sandbox [21:51:24] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-6/index.php?title=Template_folding&action=edit is our test page BTW [21:54:32] WTH s-6 is configured to have templateEditor on by default [21:54:37] *RoanKattouw updates the software on s-6 [21:54:46] NICE [21:54:56] Oh you got it? [21:55:01] hello nkomura [21:55:08] from your link, yes [21:55:12] hi wer [21:55:20] The table thing that shows up when you click the folded template is cute but needs to go because the template code needs to be editable [21:55:20] hi werdna [21:55:26] We have a mockup somewhere, lemme dig it up [21:55:57] why are we treating half double bracket as template? me curious [21:56:00] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/usability/b/b7/Citron_templates.pdf [21:56:05] What? [22:00:29] the first line starts with -> Some textTemplate:Factfact}} [22:02:14] lemme try to reproduce that [22:02:25] WFM, try hard refresh? [22:02:33] Could be that you loaded the page while I was updating the software [22:02:40] That can produce very strange results in certain cases [22:03:49] k [22:05:02] i saw the mock-ups in december [22:05:54] OK well those are what we're shooting for [22:06:43] I'm working on getting the iframe to work nicely in IE today and tomorrow [22:06:55] After that I'll turn my attention to making the collapse part of that mockup happen [22:09:15] great [22:16:57] how's citron coming up, btw? [22:17:40] Nicely so far, but we're creating huge pieces of code so it takes time and there's cross-browser issues :) [22:46:58] RobH: Can you create an account for me on the new Linode server, and add me to sudoers? [22:47:11] hi Ryan_Lane [22:47:20] nkomura_away: hey naoko [22:47:29] happy new year [22:47:35] did you have nice holidays? [22:47:35] happy new year to you too [22:47:47] yeah. exhausting though :) [22:48:09] you? [22:48:17] yeah [22:48:27] i had nice time off [22:48:49] struggling to get over the jetlag though [22:48:58] heh. yeah. that trip is killer [22:50:14] RobH: told me earlier that the dell server for automation testing is expected arrive at the data center on Jan 19 [22:51:24] ah. cool. that should be after work finishes being crazy at my day job [22:52:09] it should take additional time for the box to set-up and wired