[00:07:09] <TrevorParscal>	nkomura: looks like something adam could work on
[00:07:22] <TrevorParscal>	has to do with the way we initialize the collapsible tabs
[00:07:44] <nkomura>	what is FAQ in this context?
[00:09:50] <TrevorParscal>	I think he's talking about when people have long lists of questions and answers on an faq page, and then add in some javascript to make them all collapsible/expandable
[00:10:15] <nkomura>	ah
[00:10:31] <nkomura>	thanks, i will point the comment to adam
[00:10:42] <TrevorParscal>	if you send the HTML and CSS to the client with things visible, and the javascript hides it, all is well if javascript is off or breaks - if you send it to them hidden, they can see it in the case of javascript being off or broken
[00:10:48] <TrevorParscal>	it's simple to fix
[06:02:31] <ljcrabs>	Hi, I don't know anything about the usability initiative, but I just have a small idea to throw out there
[06:02:35] <ljcrabs>	(it's based on the usability goal of tailoring content to the average user, i.e. most relevant for most users)
[06:02:40] <ljcrabs>	The idea is to have wikipedia track every user's mouse movements and clicks and report it to a subpage (e.g. we have Talk:X, add UsageTrack:X).
[06:02:47] <ljcrabs>	When someone goes to the UsageTrack:X page of X, it shows the X page, but it overlays a generated heat map of usage.
[06:02:54] <ljcrabs>	This could inform editors when they make decisions on what content to keep or get rid of, which sections need shortening/expanding, which info boxes to collapse/have open by default etc. Thoughts?
[16:21:06] <adam_miller>	RoanKattouw: Did you get my question on email about :hover on divs?
[17:01:25] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:01:30] <RoanKattouw>	I'm not sure but I think the answer is no
[17:01:50] <RoanKattouw>	That question is better suited to Trevor though, he's the CSS wizard
[17:02:01] *RoanKattouw 	glares at guillom and basile
[17:02:35] *guillom 	glares at RoanKattouw 
[17:02:35] *basile 	glares at RoanKattouw 
[17:02:58] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller: Because your connection seems to have dropped:
[17:03:00] <RoanKattouw>	<RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:03:01] <RoanKattouw>		<RoanKattouw>	I'm not sure but I think the answer is no
[17:03:03] <RoanKattouw>		<RoanKattouw>	That question is better suited to Trevor though, he's the CSS wizard
[17:03:33] <RoanKattouw>	guillom: Any particular reason you need to be on IRC twice? :)
[17:04:21] <guillom>	RoanKattouw, I got my new laptop yesterday and I'm moving a lot of settings from the old one :) so I'm working on both
[17:04:23] <adam_miller>	RoanKattouw: thanks, I missed that last portion. I'll confirm with Trevor
[17:51:40] <TrevorParscal>	adam_miller: irc is faster than email :)
[17:52:04] <TrevorParscal>	so, the only browsers that would possibly not work with the drop downs don't work with the skin anyways
[17:52:07] <adam_miller>	TrevorParscal: TRUTH. I was just focused on Mail.app this morning
[17:52:29] <TrevorParscal>	and that would be IE < 5.5 or some version of Netscape Navigator
[17:53:09] <TrevorParscal>	and I don't know that those browsers won't work, we just havn't tested them because that's less than 0.0000000001% of the internet or something like that
[17:55:05] <TrevorParscal>	our general approach is that the browser's that don't work aren't working for other things online either, like google, yahoo, msn, and facebook for instance.
[17:56:21] <TrevorParscal>	so if you are in a browser that doesn't support all of the top 5 sites on the internet, the drop-down menus that provide access to administrative tools on wikipedia when you are logged in are probably not your biggest problem.
[18:14:58] *TrevorParscal 	searches for michael dale
[19:08:41] <hannes-_->	TrevorParscal: hi trevor
[19:08:46] <hannes-_->	is paru around?
[19:08:55] <TrevorParscal>	she's running late
[21:08:04] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Skype call?
[21:08:57] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[21:09:00] <TrevorParscal>	sorry
[21:09:02] <TrevorParscal>	just finishing lunch
[21:09:44] <RoanKattouw>	No worries
[21:10:17] <TrevorParscal>	grabbing conference room now
[22:42:38] <RoanKattouw>	nimish_g_: I'm also working with some fixes right now, mind if I commit that fix instead?
[22:44:41] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5116/38408594.jpg
[22:45:26] <RoanKattouw>	Is Nimish physically close? If so, can you ask him if it's OK for me to fix his fix instead while committing some other fixes?
[22:46:27] <nimish_g_>	RoanKattouw: yeah go ahead
[22:46:44] <RoanKattouw>	OK cool
[22:46:58] <RoanKattouw>	Sorry to be so nagging about it but I wanna get this checked in and get some sleep :)
[22:47:42] <RoanKattouw>	The fact that I let a piece of chocolate rest on my lap for the entire duration of my Skype call with Trevor (a little over an hour) so it melted and got my pants all brown is probably meant to tell me I need sleep :)
[22:48:01] <pdhanda>	haha
[22:49:00] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw falls over on keyboard
[22:54:15] <RoanKattouw>	Well the weird part is I don't feel tired, even though I haven't been getting a great deal of sleep. Like even after a long day, it'll take me like 2 hrs to get to sleep
[22:54:29] <RoanKattouw>	That always takes long for me, but not usually /that/ long
[22:55:04] <RoanKattouw>	OK committing some IE fixes now
[22:55:31] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: I didn't tackle the child.jQueryInherit error at this time, but I know what's causing it and I'll hopefully check in a fix tomorrow
[22:59:14] <TrevorParscal>	awesome