[03:41:40] mdale1: Dude you're gone for a while [03:41:51] ...yea [03:41:55] I was hoping to catch you in the office when you get back, but I'll be gone before the 28th [03:41:56] in NZ right now [03:42:00] bummer [03:42:05] LCA? [03:42:07] yea [03:42:19] I don't even know what that is, I just know Brianna is there [03:42:32] Oh really I should meet up with her [03:42:50] ~make sense she has been at the last few LCAs~ [03:42:56] Yeah she lives close [03:42:58] ish [17:15:10] hey pdhanda [17:20:08] hi guillom [17:20:12] you're at work? [17:20:27] pdhanda, I don't have an Internet connection at home yet :) [17:21:36] ah [17:21:52] i think usability folks are coming in today [17:21:55] there are some people actually working though [17:21:57] so i figured i would lurk [17:21:58] yeah [17:22:01] Bill and Sara too [17:22:16] esp since i think i am fighting off something??? sorethroat [17:24:59] oh - it s a holiday today? [17:26:15] yeah [17:34:39] yep [17:34:56] that's the reason why I won't reply to your e-mail before tomorrow, hannes-_- :) [17:36:49] hehe [17:37:01] that s fine [17:37:18] actually there wasn t a question in the mail :P [17:39:25] right [17:39:29] I'll reply anyway :) [18:09:11] guillom: you know what's funny? I wrote about you in my diploma paper ;) [18:09:26] omg, you did? [18:09:36] hannes-_-, how so? [18:09:40] or to be more precise... I quated you [18:09:51] my diploma was a redsign of wikipedia [18:10:05] oh, you quoted my paper at Wikimania 2007? [18:10:09] yes [18:10:13] with elian [18:10:15] I see :) [18:10:24] that was pretty much all I could find [18:10:35] well, yes [18:10:36] concerning a redesign of wikipedia [18:11:10] I talked to elian but she was really busy with other stuff. so she did not give me much input [18:12:01] yeah, well, the problem was that there were really few people interested in the design/usability of Wikipedia, and the few who were didn't have the necessary technical skills to actually do something about it [18:13:02] and it is really really difficult [18:13:06] :) [18:14:07] so I'm very glad the WMF got these two grants (Stanton & Ford) :) [18:31:10] hi naoko [18:31:23] hey [18:31:31] at work today? I just got to know that it s a holiday today [18:31:42] it it holiday [18:31:59] but i'm working at the office today [18:32:04] regular ...let me look.... monday over here [18:37:09] parul, trevor, nimish and roan are all in the office too [18:43:34] sup working people [18:45:21] Oh that's why it's so quiet in the office [18:46:11] yeah its a holiday, I'm just lurking here because it is raining outside aand I have a sore throat [18:48:47] pdhanda: dr king would approve [18:49:41] heh, yeah but i am such a restless person, staying in bed is hard for me [19:43:11] how can we start troubleshooting the state of sandboxes? [19:44:00] i'm seeing the following error "Warning: file_put_contents() [function.file-put-contents]: Only 0 of 1141 bytes written, possibly out of free disk space in /srv/org/wikimedia/prototype/wikis/s-3/includes/filerepo/ForeignAPIRepo.php on line 207" [19:44:20] so does this mean we are out of disk space? [19:47:42] i get the same error [19:47:54] looks like diskspace, I agree [19:53:34] /nick adam_miller [19:59:38] RoanKattouw is looking into the disk space issue [19:59:57] he dropped pt.wiki, but we couldn't gain space ... [20:00:04] something weired going on [20:12:16] the linode crashed. [20:13:09] roan is rebooting [20:13:09] Rebooting the Linode now [20:13:09] hey rob [20:13:42] RobH: i don't think we can wait for back-up to be completed before resizing [20:13:50] we are completely out of space [20:13:55] as the damned thing just crashed mid backup [20:13:57] RobH: Thing is, we kinda need prototype to be operational like halfway this week. I know about the purchase order being in the pipeline, but can we find a temporary solution for hosting prototype at the cluster or anywhere else that's not this screwy Linode box? [20:13:57] i agree [20:33:35] nkomura: i do think we can host prototype on that box as well. we ordered it with a decent amount of headroom [20:33:37] ok, someone started back up the linod. [20:41:48] looks good to me. [20:42:02] and /dev/xvda 22G 12G 9.9G 54% / [20:42:09] 54% space used. [20:42:10] Yeah [20:42:12] much better :) [20:42:13] resize worked good. [20:42:22] YAY! [20:42:30] Oh wait [20:42:30] Oh wait [20:42:46] nkomura: from a tech perspective, the new vmserver could host this as well, but I outline the drawbacks and benefits in my email regarding the prototype host to you and erik [20:42:46] nkomura: from a tech perspective, the new vmserver could host this as well, but I outline the drawbacks and benefits in my email regarding the prototype host to you and erik [20:43:01] RoanKattouw: ? [20:43:08] I'd started elephant twice [20:43:14] RobH: sounds good [20:44:12] i'm getting a different error in sandox [20:44:15] Warning: fclose(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /srv/org/wikimedia/prototype/wikis/s-2/includes/HttpFunctions.php on line 576 [20:44:51] I was getting a similar issue on the new linode server [20:45:12] Yeah s-2 is Michael's playground [20:45:16] i was having issues with fopen and fclose. installing the curl php extension solved it [20:46:17] Yeah but Michael's code should degrade gracefully in a non-CURL environment [20:46:26] sandbox3 is working good [20:46:53] I'm updating the software on s-6 [20:47:02] ah, so it is just happening on sandbox2? it was occuring for foreignrepo on the new box [20:47:14] nimish_g: template collapsing feature is gone from sb3 [20:48:05] RobH: thank you so much [20:48:21] it is a great relief to be able to access prototypes and sandboxes [20:48:28] nkomura: It's on s-6 [20:48:44] it is? [20:49:00] nimish_g: pointed us to s-3 last week. i'm confused [20:49:01] Oh wait the fclose() errors aren't Michael's code, they're ForeignAPIRepo [20:50:02] RoanKattouw: yeah. I couldn't figure out what the issue was. The calls foreign repo is making look fine [20:50:39] but fopen just isn't working. I didn't see anything wrong from a system perspective either [20:50:40] I'll install CURL in a bit [20:50:45] Or maybe alter the config [20:50:56] Ryan_Lane: sample data in sandbox has been very helpful [20:51:00] nkomura: I'll check [20:51:03] thank you [20:51:11] nkomura: good to hear [20:52:23] RoanKattouw: both repos have the same name "shared" [20:52:39] So? [20:52:48] is that not an issue? [20:52:58] Not necessarily [20:53:14] The issue is somewhere totally different [20:53:33] Meh prototype locked up again [20:53:50] if you are able to figure out the issue, let me know, since i'm having the same issue elsewhere [20:54:57] prototype is working for me [20:55:34] Yeah it's bac [20:55:50] nkomura: did you want me to import the japanese content into sandbox now that we have room? [20:56:27] no, let's wait until we have robust environment [20:56:32] ok [20:56:40] *RoanKattouw installs CURL [20:57:12] we can use up the disk space quickly as we will start importing template data as we stage template related features [20:57:51] *RoanKattouw restart Apache [20:59:36] nkomura: ya looks like s-6 now has the latest code [20:59:53] k [21:00:06] will u update the description of the environment in this page? [21:00:07] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sandbox [21:00:24] i guess it is reflected [21:00:34] OK the fclose() errors are gone [21:00:39] Ryan_Lane: apt-get install php5-curl [21:00:43] That's what I did [21:00:47] so we do not need to go to s3 any more as you directed us before, nimish_g? [21:01:17] yes, I think RoanKattouw may have shuffled the sandboxes around? =) [21:01:22] RoanKattouw: yeah, thats what I did on the other box to fix it. I wanted to know how to fix the fopen problem. heh [21:01:31] without curl, that is [21:01:47] Ryan_Lane: Tried allow_url_fopen = On in php.ini ? [21:01:57] it's there [21:02:09] nimish_g: Yeah s-3 was becoming a hodgepodge and we had these unused sandboxes so... [21:02:26] RobH: prototype looks all good now, thanks [21:02:32] i get a blank page when i go to s-6 [21:02:33] good times [21:02:49] I'm installing some security updates for Apache and PHP now [21:02:52] thank you RobH [21:02:58] welcome =] [21:02:59] RoanKattouw: got it [21:03:39] Meanwhile, I'm gonna update the normal prototypes to trunk [21:03:51] And put the deployment prototypes (d-en, d-fr, etc.) in a meaningful state [21:04:29] RoanKattouw: that'd be really helpful [21:07:35] Ryan_Lane: we dropped portuguese prototype earlier this morning as we were desperate for space [21:08:10] i am sorry for dropping the good work you've done [21:08:44] as the retention of Portuguese is even higher than english, we should be ok not having Portuguese prototype for now [21:09:24] nkomura: it's ok. let me know if you need it again. [21:10:11] RobH: I can't vnc into raskin.usability.wikimedia.org for some reason. [21:10:28] RobH: was working earlier today, now I can't connect [21:10:29] hrmm [21:10:42] welll [21:10:47] that sucks, neither can I [21:10:51] I changed the vnc password btw. [21:10:56] lol [21:11:04] well, its timing out on connecting [21:11:05] so it [21:11:06] s not that [21:11:14] I know it, and have it written down, want me to email it to you? [21:11:24] sure, but thats not the issue right now [21:11:28] right [21:11:30] oh, you may want to get apple remote desktop [21:11:38] it has more features for dealign with the server ismy understanding [21:11:45] since xserve doesnt offer LOM [21:11:50] is there a free version? [21:11:58] cause the site says $500 [21:12:04] ....geeeeeze [21:12:06] yeah [21:12:10] thats expensive. [21:12:11] my thoughts exactly [21:12:21] ok, well, when a mac is on the same subnet of a computer with remote management [21:12:25] it shows up in the finder. [21:12:31] but i have no idea how to connect to it remotely [21:12:41] (i think you have to have apple remote desktop but I am not sure honestly) [21:12:41] there is a screen sharing app hidden on macs [21:13:00] yea, it opens when you connect to local screens. [21:13:08] at: /System/Library/CoreFeatures/ScreenSharing.app [21:13:16] or something very close to that [21:14:05] you can also use VNC, but since apple loves its proprietary nature, you have to do something special for VNC to work [21:14:27] On solaris, this works: /usr/bin/vncviewer raskin.usability.wikimedia.org FullColour=1 PreferredEncoding=hextile [21:14:28] yea, enable the 'allow vnc clients' checkbox [21:14:39] but then its a master password, not per user. [21:14:42] (right?) [21:14:47] yeah [21:14:54] yea, that sucks =P [21:15:00] the client has to do special stuff as well, like the above [21:15:21] well, i used chicken of the vnc to connect the other day to it [21:15:30] so it worked after you changed the password [21:15:42] something else must be off, i can check it out tomorrow morning, is that soon enough? [21:15:46] my desktop is solaris, and I'm too lazy to install a VM with something else right now :) [21:16:18] RobH: I'm off today, and have some free time to work on it. but if it is going to be a PITA to do, I'll be able to work on it most of the week [21:16:37] I would have to leave and drive downtown in rush hour =P [21:16:44] I planned on going in the morning anyhow [21:16:52] yeah, the morning works then [21:17:38] I can test what I need to do on the server, on my laptop today [21:24:49] Ryan_Lane: i am trying to ping a buddy of mine who has apple remote desktop [21:24:58] if he can, he will let me vnc into his computer and control it [21:25:03] then I can try to bounce to our server. [21:25:09] cool [21:25:10] since apr may show more options [21:32:24] bleh, he isnt responsive [21:32:26] must have the day off [21:33:10] Ask Trevor, he probably runs VNC on his laptop [21:33:17] not vnc [21:33:19] Or at least he runs it on his desktop at hone [21:33:20] vnc isnt working [21:33:27] was looking for apple remote desktop [21:33:30] Ah [21:33:35] since it has more interfaces [21:33:39] but oh well [21:33:50] Trevor's box has ARD too [21:34:23] ??? [21:34:33] meh, he isnt online [21:34:38] i dont wanna interrupt his day off [21:34:42] It's not his day off [21:34:46] He's sitting right across from me [21:35:03] He says you can use his home box, he's just logging in now [21:35:11] neat! [21:42:43] RoanKattouw: there was some confusion [21:42:49] trevor doesnt have the full remote desktop client either [21:42:58] Yeah I saw that [21:43:03] $500 phh [21:45:41] the unlimited copy is $500, which is for as many admins as you want. its $300 for each admin otherwise. they have lost their minds [21:46:18] and thats per 'admin' meaning per machine [21:46:20] =P [21:46:38] no option for entire site on the webpage. [21:47:05] i think it says no per client pricing. [21:47:24] so if wikimedia wanted to buy the $500 version, it would cover all admins on all machines [21:48:11] but seeing as that we only have one server... heh. [21:49:59] did the xserve really not have a LOM? that's kind of insane [21:53:20] yea! [21:53:22] nuts aint it? [21:53:32] two NICs, both in the primary OS control. [21:53:34] nothing out of band. [21:54:00] the packaging sure was pretty though [21:54:05] apple packs boxes nice. [21:54:20] but yea, it has no LOM port, and uses the dvi dongle thing [21:54:25] it has some apple mini display port [21:54:31] which is retarded on a damned server. [21:55:00] means you have to never lose yet another adapter to keep in the DC. (It cannot hang off the server, as its a friction plug only like usb, except shorter and will fall out.) [22:13:33] hi brion! [22:13:36] how are you? [22:14:18] howdy! [22:14:23] doin' pretty good [22:15:50] good to hear [22:51:18] hi mdale [22:51:25] hello [22:52:24] overall system problems of sandbox and prototype have been resolved [22:52:33] but s-2 is still giving errors [22:53:27] RoanKattouw was saying something about js2 error [22:53:31] Basically the way we've been treating this is that s-2 is the place where Michael does his monkey business, so we don't put stuff there that's important to us and let Michael clean up when stuff explodes :) [22:53:35] cool [22:53:37] might have missed a msg [22:57:32] RoanKattouw: is that the error you sent me? [22:57:52] might have to send things twice the wireless is kind of sketchy [22:58:17] No, just a general statement [22:58:29] nkomura: Blank pages should be fixed now [22:58:47] roger. will try in a sec [23:02:02] adam_miller_away and parutron_lunch, you can review updated dialogues on prototypes now [23:03:52] RoanKattouw: no love with NTOC on prototypes [23:04:12] Meh [23:04:13] Looking [23:25:17] thanks nkomura [23:25:24] yw [23:26:11] nkomura: Fixed, I'm still poking at the settings [23:26:26] k, thx [23:27:21] adam_miller: you around? [23:27:26] yes [23:29:05] i scared her away [23:29:15] looks like it ;) [23:29:44] whoops [23:30:05] adam_miller: without the lorem ipsum text, i think we can get rid of the "example" box [23:30:09] sending over a mock up [23:30:16] but in the mock up it still says preview, fyi [23:30:30] but it should still say 'example' right? [23:30:57] yup [23:31:12] just sent it [23:31:57] nimish_g: looks like we changed the line height spacing on macs? [23:31:59] YAY [23:32:06] it's so much more readable [23:32:19] parutron: GOT IT [23:33:46] TrevorParscal and RoanKattouw: just noticed some interesting behavior with side by side preview [23:34:17] when i'm not logged in and try and preview, i get bumped to a page without preview and with a captcha [23:36:10] parutron: yeah it's changed [23:36:24] so glad we did that. i am loving it [23:37:47] adam_miller: can you make changes to the link dialog as well if i email you some small changes (to the copy)? [23:38:02] parutron: YES. [23:39:12] parutron: do i need to make any of the stylistic changes to the template folding for this weeks release? [23:39:36] adam_miller: scrollToTop(true) is broken on IE and you're the last person that messed with that code. Mind taking a peek? [23:39:41] template folding won't be part of this release. [23:40:01] but to stay on top of the next release, the sooner we can play with the two interaction concepts and move forward with one, the better. [23:40:02] parutron: no it won't be [23:40:11] template folding will be part of the 2/24 release [23:40:18] right now, prototypes have everything [23:40:26] parutron: Interesting bug. Preview is not part of this release though so I'm not gonna poke at it now [23:40:32] I recommend you file it at Bugzilla [23:40:37] RoanKattouw will start disabling the features which will not be part of 1/27 release [23:40:49] I think that should be done now [23:41:02] RoanKattouw: sure. I can look at it. I've been pulling my hair out with NTOC resizing all day trying to catch all edge cases. [23:41:09] Cool [23:41:27] nkomura: The feature disabling thing should be done now. Should I have missed anything, please let me know [23:41:41] RoanKattouw: what version should i test in? [23:41:43] *nkomura checking prototypes [23:41:48] adam_miller: SVN HEAD [23:41:59] no, version of IE [23:42:06] Oh [23:42:10] 7 or 8, doesn't seem to matter [23:42:17] We use 8 to test and compat mode to test 7 [23:42:30] nkomura: just to confirm i let adam know that template folding will NOT be part of this weeks release. template folding and forms are slated for 2/24 release. [23:42:44] that's right [23:43:02] RoanKattouw: we will need to disable template features from prototypes [23:43:06] just making sure because that's what i said but got your "no it won't be" [23:43:08] although i love seeing them there [23:43:26] RoanKattouw: will file a bug! [23:43:30] a rarity! [23:44:20] nkomura: Didn't I do that already? [23:44:39] I'm seeing bolded headers but I'm not seeing folded templates on en protoype [23:44:55] hm [23:45:01] i still have them [23:46:31] Maybe you enabled it in your preferences? Let me hard-disable the entire moduel [23:47:36] i'm refreshing the page right now. will have a look at my preference when the page is back [23:47:44] it had gotten really slow again [23:48:12] RoanKattouw: scrollToTop(true) is working fine for me in IE8 [23:48:57] yeah - template and syntax highlighting were enabled [23:49:14] but we should hide these two settings from user preferences though [23:49:25] I'm on that [23:49:33] thanks [23:50:10] Huh I swear it was broken earlier [23:50:13] Ah it's only broken in 7 [23:50:20] not working in 7, works well in 8 [23:51:16] great progress guys, congrats [23:55:23] parutron: In the future, use the MediaWiki extensions -> UsabilityInitiative component [23:55:36] ack sorry. i was looking for that [23:55:45] did you see my lame attempt to make it searchable as usability! [23:55:45] No worries [23:55:46] tee hee [23:55:49] I'll change the component [23:55:56] hah [23:55:57] it wouldn't let me enter the keyword "usability" [23:56:18] thx