[00:00:48] <TrevorParscal>	I'm using both now
[00:01:40] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[00:14:52] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: I get pasted JS too
[00:14:57] <RoanKattouw>	We need to kill <script> tags
[00:15:26] <RoanKattouw>	Pasted JS appears in top-level text nodes for some reason
[00:15:38] <TrevorParscal>	ah
[00:15:39] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[00:20:58] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: how's that?
[00:23:50] <RoanKattouw>	svn up'ing
[00:27:17] <RoanKattouw>	Looks good
[00:31:50] <RoanKattouw>	Hm we wanna have some scrolling sugar
[00:32:05] <RoanKattouw>	Like scrollToCaretPosition() after selection restore, and scrolling of the NTOC
[00:32:36] <TrevorParscal>	that would be awesomeness
[00:32:59] <RoanKattouw>	We actually had that in the pre-iframe era
[00:33:01] <nimish_g>	RoanKattouw: I thought we didn't need that with the jumping to anchors thing
[00:33:04] <TrevorParscal>	Opera 10 reports it's ua string as 9.8
[00:33:19] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Yes, but it's got Version/10.00 in there
[00:33:20] <TrevorParscal>	there's 10.* at the end
[00:33:34] <TrevorParscal>	but our browser plugin doesn't use that real number
[00:34:02] <RoanKattouw>	Fix the browser plugin? :D
[00:34:23] <RoanKattouw>	Also, I'd like to know what $.browser does for iPod/iPhone/iWhatever and Blackberry so I can blacklist those
[00:34:43] <TrevorParscal>	yeah
[00:34:47] <TrevorParscal>	It's sort of cryptic
[00:34:52] <TrevorParscal>	I will need to fix this
[00:37:54] <RoanKattouw>	Are you on wikimania-l? If not, read the thread about babysitting that turned into a flame thread until Austin shut it up in a hilarious way: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2010-February/001707.html
[00:39:33] <guillom>	I loved his message
[00:48:56] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Committed my cursor moving fix
[00:49:03] <RoanKattouw>	And clocking out for today
[00:49:34] <TrevorParscal>	k
[00:49:38] <TrevorParscal>	thanks for your hard work!
[00:49:57] <RoanKattouw>	Sure
[00:50:13] *RoanKattouw 	ponders ways to cover up how little work he's been doing in the past week and a half
[00:50:18] <nkomura>	good night RoanKattouw
[00:50:29] <nkomura>	thank you for staying up late again
[17:02:25] <TrevorParscal>	hi people
[17:02:42] <TrevorParscal>	look - brion's still alive!
[17:03:01] <nkomura>	morning folks
[17:03:26] <TrevorParscal>	i'm coming in in a sec
[17:03:43] <TrevorParscal>	had one of those, wake up every 45 minutes kind of nights :(
[17:03:46] <nkomura>	bhagya from calcey helped to complete copy/paste matrix
[17:03:54] <brion>	what up
[17:04:30] <nkomura>	hi brion!
[17:05:09] <TrevorParscal>	brion: you coming to the labs night tomorow?
[17:05:17] <TrevorParscal>	s/tomorow/tomorrow
[17:05:32] <nkomura>	we are having difficult time introducing iframe into the editor
[17:05:43] *TrevorParscal 	despises his incorrect muscle memory spelling
[17:05:57] <brion>	that's tomorrow already? probably then :D
[17:07:51] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[17:07:57] <TrevorParscal>	the 25th
[17:08:07] <TrevorParscal>	didn't see if you RSVP'd
[17:15:43] <TrevorParscal>	ok - i'm heading in now, see yall in a few minutes
[17:56:47] *RoanKattouw 	drags TrevorParscal into a meeting room
[17:57:08] <TrevorParscal>	skype now?
[17:57:34] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[17:57:42] *RoanKattouw 	figures he should actually fire up Skype first
[17:57:43] <TrevorParscal>	1 sec
[18:03:12] <TrevorParscal>	k
[18:03:17] <TrevorParscal>	i'm in
[18:03:22] <TrevorParscal>	i've joined!
[18:23:38] <TrevorParscal>	i hear you
[18:23:49] <TrevorParscal>	now i don't hear you
[18:23:51] <TrevorParscal>	hmm
[18:23:51] <RoanKattouw>	Interesting
[18:24:01] <TrevorParscal>	skype fail
[18:24:08] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[18:24:15] <TrevorParscal>	can you hear me?
[18:24:19] <RoanKattouw>	Noep
[18:25:12] <TrevorParscal>	now  can't hear you
[18:25:33] *TrevorParscal 	is confused
[18:25:34] <TrevorParscal>	hld
[18:25:52] <TrevorParscal>	restarted skype now
[18:26:03] <RoanKattouw>	OK I'm calling you now
[18:26:14] <TrevorParscal>	hi
[18:41:40] <Natalie>	You all are adorable.
[18:45:19] <hannes-_->	congratulation TrevorParscal !
[18:45:29] <TrevorParscal>	thanks!
[18:46:45] <RoanKattouw>	*sigh*
[18:46:51] <TrevorParscal>	agh
[18:47:06] <TrevorParscal>	restarting skype
[18:47:10] <RoanKattouw>	...
[18:47:17] <TrevorParscal>	maybe i need to update my skype software
[18:47:27] <TrevorParscal>	now I don't see you
[18:47:42] <RoanKattouw>	I don't see you either
[18:57:12] <RoanKattouw>	Huh Naoko is not here
[18:57:20] <RoanKattouw>	Can someone ping me when I should call in?
[18:57:32] <RoanKattouw>	<RoanKattouw>	Can someone ping me when I should call in?
[18:57:39] <TrevorParscal>	yeah, will do
[18:57:49] <RoanKattouw>	Somehow I managed to say that in the 3 seconds you were out of the channel
[19:06:15] *hannes-_- 	is on hold
[19:06:45] <TrevorParscal>	we're setting up the phone bridge now
[19:08:13] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: call in now plz
[19:09:20] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: ...
[21:03:41] <parutron>	anyone want citron for lunch??
[21:03:42] <parutron>	tee hee
[21:05:13] <Natalie>	CITRON was on my crossword today.
[21:05:19] <Natalie>	"Lemonlike" was the clue, I think.
[21:09:48] <kibble>	Hello!  The Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts are holding a meeting at 21:30 (UTC) in #wikimedia-irc-meetings and you are welcome to attend.  More info: http://is.gd/7zSYm
[21:20:11] <nkomura>	hi Natalie.  did our release nick name help you to come up with the word?
[21:49:38] <Natalie>	I thought "citron" was an alcoholic drink.
[21:49:44] <Natalie>	Absolut Citron :D
[21:50:45] *RoanKattouw_away 	vaguely remembers some spam about Acai berries
[21:51:20] <MC8>	Someone forwarded those to a mailing list, iirc
[22:39:47] <brion>	how long before we get up to the "viagra" release?
[22:45:13] <parutron>	tee hee.
[22:45:20] <parutron>	hi brion
[22:45:22] <parutron>	how are you?
[22:45:26] <parutron>	you don't come by anymore.
[22:45:28] <parutron>	:(
[22:45:52] <parutron>	adam_miller_away: are you still under the weather?
[22:45:53] <brion>	awwwww
[22:46:00] <brion>	i'm coming by tomorrow for the mozilla labs meetup!
[22:46:03] <parutron>	YAY
[22:46:06] <parutron>	then i will see you then....
[22:46:11] <TrevorParscal>	sweet
[22:46:16] <TrevorParscal>	there will be ALLOT of people here
[22:46:23] <TrevorParscal>	we will be performing an experiment in capacity
[22:46:29] <brion>	:D
[22:50:46] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw_away: are you still awake?
[22:55:20] <RoanKattouw_away>	TrevorParscal: I'm about to go to bed
[22:56:50] <RoanKattouw_away>	TrevorParscal: If you want to say something you have a few more minutes
[22:57:21] <TrevorParscal>	I was just hoping you might think about something for me
[22:57:28] <TrevorParscal>	maybe get inspiration while sleeping
[22:57:33] <RoanKattouw_away>	OK shot
[22:57:35] <RoanKattouw_away>	*shoot
[22:57:41] <MC8>	Put a coding book under your pillow. Learn by osmosis.
[22:58:05] <TrevorParscal>	in Firefox, the <p><br></p> gets copied as \n\n rather than just \n like other browsers
[22:58:42] <adam_miller_away>	parutron: delayed response: yes
[22:58:45] <TrevorParscal>	is there a way to fix this - even dirty scary hacks - even dark evil black magic?
[22:58:54] <parutron>	:(
[22:58:57] <parutron>	hope you feel better soon.
[22:59:39] <TrevorParscal>	if we use empty <p> tags in Firefox they will collapse to nothing when editing (vertically)
[22:59:52] <TrevorParscal>	so we use the <p><br></p> method
[22:59:59] <RoanKattouw_away>	You are using CSS to make <p><br></p> not show up as a double newline, correct?
[23:00:05] <TrevorParscal>	but on copy it causes doulble line breaks
[23:00:10] <TrevorParscal>	no, it just works that way
[23:00:15] <RoanKattouw_away>	Oh
[23:00:17] <TrevorParscal>	only in IE8 do we get any issues
[23:00:31] <RoanKattouw_away>	What if you make the <br> visibility: hidden; (NOT display: none; , presumably you know the difference)
[23:00:45] <TrevorParscal>	and even then it's sort of inconsistent, and I use CSS to rectify the situation
[23:00:59] <RoanKattouw_away>	Oh so that CSS is for IE
[23:02:25] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw_away: not only does visibility:hidden make the blinking cursor dissapear when the cursor is at a <p><br></p> but it doesn't change the copy content
[23:03:18] <RoanKattouw_away>	Blegh
[23:03:31] <RoanKattouw_away>	There's no style or attribute for "don't copy this, is there?"
[23:03:40] <RoanKattouw_away>	*this"
[23:03:46] <nimish_g>	RoanKattouw_away: weren't you going to sleep a while ago?
[23:03:55] <RoanKattouw_away>	No I was just watching the skating
[23:04:05] <nimish_g>	on copy, remove it from the dom, on aftercopy insert it back in
[23:04:17] <nimish_g>	with the same paste-trickery we use
[23:04:24] <RoanKattouw_away>	That's really ugly and not reliable unless there's a copy event
[23:04:27] <TrevorParscal>	by remove it from the dom, you mean replace with <span> placeholder
[23:04:31] <TrevorParscal>	and that's sooo evil
[23:04:38] <TrevorParscal>	:)
[23:04:42] <TrevorParscal>	maybe just evil enough
[23:04:43] <nimish_g>	stick it in the placeholder's .data
[23:04:50] <RoanKattouw_away>	Otherwise you'd have to intercept Ctrl+C (and Ctrl+X!) and the right-click thing would still not work
[23:04:58] <MC8>	Someone add <script>for(x in document.write){document.write(x);}</script> into Vector, and it will make my day. (I think that's the right code)
[23:05:15] <TrevorParscal>	there is a copy event
[23:05:30] <RoanKattouw_away>	MC8: What does that do?
[23:05:39] <MC8>	Apparently, it crashes IE.
[23:05:42] <nimish_g>	ya we'd just have to intercept ctrl+meta+whatever and send it along if it doesn't work
[23:05:47] <MC8>	*IE7
[23:05:47] *nimish_g 	glances evilly at IE
[23:05:51] <TrevorParscal>	one of my evil ideas last week was to basically transform the dom to copy-ready on copy, then restore it (like undo redo does) after
[23:05:53] <RoanKattouw_away>	MC8: We had some similar code that did crash IE
[23:05:56] <RoanKattouw_away>	I wrote it
[23:05:59] <TrevorParscal>	no placeholders needed
[23:06:05] <TrevorParscal>	but that would be failry horrible
[23:06:09] <RoanKattouw_away>	Yes
[23:06:18] <RoanKattouw_away>	Our post-paste handler takes forever when you paste a whole page
[23:06:44] <TrevorParscal>	yeah, it needs opimization
[23:06:50] <nimish_g>	ya I don't know if users are actually used to waiting for a copy...that'll be a bit odd
[23:06:57] <TrevorParscal>	indeed
[23:07:22] <nimish_g>	oh and RoanKattouw_away I'm still getting errors on this line:
[23:07:23] <nimish_g>	 startNode = startNode.splitText( s.offset );
[23:07:37] <RoanKattouw_away>	Index size negative or out of range?
[23:07:38] <TrevorParscal>	in IE?
[23:07:44] <nimish_g>	yes
[23:07:47] <nimish_g>	in FF
[23:07:49] <RoanKattouw_away>	Please send me an e-mail with browser, filename and line number and I'll poke at it tomorrow
[23:08:05] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw_away: go to bed!
[23:08:06] <RoanKattouw_away>	I think I may know why that happens
[23:08:17] *RoanKattouw_away 	looks at clock, 6h7m of hypothetical sleep left
[23:10:37] <MC8>	I found a monobook.js code that ajax'd the previews (really quickly). It doesn't always work in the beta at the moment, but if you couple it with something that scrolls the browser back to the top again? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Js/ajaxPreview (by default it adds two new buttons, but you can easily change it to replace the preview button itself)
[23:10:53] <MC8>	^^ that's my one helpful non-troll comment today
[23:11:06] <MC8>	er, vaguely helpful. Possibly.