[00:27:03] hey nimish_g [00:27:18] sup? [00:27:22] we are doing radical on recruits (much higher return now that we're asking for US and not just SF) [00:27:36] we might be looking at turning it off tomorrow am. [00:27:44] ooh ok [00:27:53] sweet. [00:28:13] we have that 10am meeting tomorrow, just remind me then [00:28:21] you and/or TrevorParscal will be around tomorrow am, right? [00:28:26] cool. [00:28:34] i will be there [00:28:37] YAY [00:28:39] with one or two bells on maybe [00:28:45] double developer doozy. [00:28:45] 10% chance of bells [00:28:47] yippppeee! [00:28:55] 90% chance of geetar [00:28:55] what can we do to increase that %? [00:29:06] what % chance of harmonica [00:29:14] i see trevor as going one man band! [00:30:18] I'll have a tambourine duct-taped to my shoe [00:30:48] *TrevorParscal hands nimish_g a kazoo [00:31:08] I got an irish pennywhistle and dance a mean jig, I do [00:31:51] *TrevorParscal just realized Yoda is just speaking Irish without an accent... [03:38:32] flipzagging: what is the url to the commons prototype? [03:40:51] never mind, i found it [04:40:30] nkomura: the JS2 prototype is here [04:40:31] http://commonsprototype.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org/js2/index.php/Main_Page [04:40:36] the URLS are a little bit broken [04:40:44] but it won't matter for the test, I think [04:40:54] like, unnecessary index.php and so on [04:41:03] I need to configure that better. [11:39:14] hello RoanKattouw [11:39:19] *werdna bugs RoanKattouw about toolbar refactorage [11:39:35] Ugh [11:39:47] And good evening to you [11:40:10] How important is this? I have other stuff to do too [11:45:12] not really that important [11:45:23] it's in the "Would be nice to have sorted in the next few weeks" bucket [11:45:26] if you have time [12:05:30] Oh next few weeks will probably work [12:05:35] This week, probably not [12:08:44] just so long as erik doesn't freak out about not having the new toolbar on lqt labs [15:42:17] nkomura: Checking: this morning's meeting is at 10, right? [15:43:20] the calendar says so [15:45:35] RoanKattouw: hi. yes we meet at 10am PDT [15:45:50] OK [15:46:26] Next week we'll be in DST too so then the meetings will once again be at a convenient time for me [15:46:31] has the clock changed for europe this past weekend or is it this coming weekend? [15:46:40] It's this coming weekend [15:46:46] *RoanKattouw grabs dinner [15:46:55] you were typing faster than me ;) [15:59:33] RoanKattouw_away: deployment is still wonky, i can't get beta... [15:59:34] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/deployment-en/Main_Page [16:32:26] nkomura: Back, poking [16:35:42] nkomura: WTF, I'm seeing "Leave Beta" even though I'm not in beta [16:36:01] Is that what you meant? [16:37:03] RoanKattouw: what are the conditions for showing the link? [16:37:11] any of the opt-in settings or any of the opt-out settings? [16:37:25] OptIn [16:37:29] Should change to opt out, on it [16:41:40] Oh wait, I think that's not it [16:41:45] $wgOptOutPrefs isn't set [16:43:03] nkomura: Fixed, was a config problem [16:47:46] brb [16:59:52] nkomura: Should I call in yet? [17:00:18] I haven't seen a duplicate TrevorParscal yet so I'm assuming his laptop isn't in the meeting room yet [17:09:05] Roan-meeting: "burping garlic sauce all the time" - weirdest phrase i've ever entered a conference call on [17:24:15] nimish_g_: [17:24:29] parutron: [17:24:35] now that we've been introduced [17:24:53] how long you think it takes take it down? [17:25:10] it should be down now [17:25:27] it should've been down a while ago [17:35:59] Roan-meeting: were you going to send me a specific bug to be testing in IE? [17:44:39] http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ambyi30xfWCQckhzZEZtUGZXMHJBZ2hQOXFZYUdwdXc&hl=en [17:53:12] adam_miller: I meant the one with the text insertion on top [17:53:36] 22877? the one i closed last night? [17:54:27] did the test on prototype.wikimedia.org/d-en/ and it inserted it at the right spot, but did not highlight the default text after inserting [17:54:31] OK [17:54:44] Yeah so I updated the code there this morning [18:28:06] hey nimish_g what's shaking? [18:28:17] you still citroning? [18:30:20] parutron: we are [18:32:22] TrevorParscal: You said we should take about some things after the meeting... [18:32:38] I'm in no rush, working on a school assignment now, so ping me when you're ready [18:35:55] RoanKattouw: can we get the collapsible leftnav on for the usability users? [18:36:03] for the study users I mean [18:36:18] Sure [18:37:01] Ah yeah for that we need some tweaks I guess [18:37:03] I'm on it [18:39:50] Oh this is easier than I thought [18:45:00] RoanKattouw: ya I figured it would just be turning on a pref and clearing the memcache objects =) [18:45:32] Well I have to create the pref first in the software [18:45:35] It didn't exist [18:46:27] yeah that would help too [18:53:44] Hm I'm pondering where to put this preference [18:53:50] It doesn't belong in the editing section [18:55:34] I'll go with skin/advanced for now [18:55:39] It's gonna be a hidden pref anyway [18:56:49] rendering/advancedrendering technically, it's Appearance -> Advanced options [18:57:22] nkomura, parutron: I'm pondering where to put the (newly created) preference for collapsible nav. Putting it in Appearance -> Advanced options for now but open to better suggestions [18:58:31] RoanKattouw: I recommend to place it under Labs [18:58:42] But that's in Editing [18:58:53] i know.. [18:59:23] Well it's gonna be hidden for now anyway [18:59:23] yeah, can we have a labs section in Appearance? [18:59:28] Ah [18:59:29] appearance/labs [18:59:30] With one element? [18:59:38] the labs in editing has only 1 element [18:59:39] Hm although we wanna put more stuff in there [18:59:42] what's wrong with that? [18:59:43] :) [18:59:51] Yeah it does now, but there's more hidden ones [19:00:08] I guess I could go ahead and add pref switches on all of the Vector modules and stick those in appearance/labs [19:00:19] how about under Advanced options in Appearance? [19:00:34] Yeah that's where I wanted to put it [19:00:41] Experimental Features ? [19:00:49] But I think we'll have more things to put in Appearance/experimental [19:00:52] i second (third?) a new section in "appearance" [19:01:03] Or wait [19:01:10] experimental/labs [19:01:20] or maybe it's time to make an experimental/labs tab [19:01:21] Only things left are collapsibletabs and footercleanup [19:02:04] I'll just stick it in appearance/experimental for now [19:02:14] We may have other things to put in there as well [19:02:20] lets use the same language that we do on the editing prefs [19:02:35] But in the longer term we'll want to move that option out of the experimental section [19:02:36] i second using the same languages [19:02:39] In fact [19:02:47] Labs Features [19:02:52] labs features [19:02:53] Once we go default with this feature, it's not really experimental any more [19:03:00] tee hee - jinx nkomura! [19:03:06] And it'd be silly to create a labs section in appearance for just one month [19:03:30] by then we may have more labs features though! [19:03:42] Appearance-based ones? [19:03:47] yup. [19:03:55] Hm fair enough [19:04:00] I'll stick it in a labs section then [19:04:04] w [19:04:06] Well [19:04:08] I won't [19:04:16] oh no! [19:04:21] Because there will never be a point in time where that'll actually show up on Wikipedia [19:04:34] State before: preference is in labs section but hidden, hence labs section not visible [19:04:46] State after: preference is default and therefore moved out of labs section [19:05:28] So creating a new section that no one will ever see seems pointless to me [19:05:36] it might not make it default (depending on what we find during the study) [19:05:39] If we have other features to put in there, we can create the section for them [19:05:46] True [19:06:01] So my preference description is: Make left navigation menus collapsible [19:06:07] That OK with you guys [19:06:09] ? [19:06:45] Enable collapsible left navigation menu [19:06:47] ? [19:07:29] Yeah that sounds less awkward, thanks [19:31:41] nimish_g: Log in as Usability 1 and behold collapsible nav :) [19:36:49] nimish_g, parutron: All Usability N for N=1..8 should now have collapsible nav [19:37:34] sweet. [19:37:39] thanks guys. [20:45:10] nimish_g: Have you been poking at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22894 yet? [20:45:25] Looks like a pretty serious bug that should IMO be fixed before the usability test [22:41:08] RoanKattouw: 1) you should be asleep, and 2) I'm looking at that bug now, you're right...I'll take care of it today/tomorrow [22:41:33] We don't have DST yet so it's 11:42, not 12:42 [22:45:18] I just looked at your fix accounts page [22:45:30] what do you do about purging memcache of user prefs? [22:45:40] rather, *how do you do that [22:58:34] $user->invalidateCache(); [22:58:54] In eval.php [23:33:27] RoanKattouw: you still up? [23:33:42] Yes [23:33:45] Not for very long [23:35:07] no worries - just wondering [23:35:17] gosh - i've been in meetings all day... [23:35:26] care to give me a status update? [23:36:15] Well I wrote a wiki page with some instructions on fixing common problems with the Usability N accounts [23:36:36] Followed by an e-mail to you and Nimish which basically says calling me is step 1 and looking at the wiki page is step 2 :) [23:36:48] I saw the email - thank you for doing that! [23:37:08] And Nimish is working on this weird bug where empty values for template params cause name-value pairs in the dialogs to be mismatched [23:37:36] Oh and I fixed a regex this morning that caused {{citeweb|url=http://www.example.com}} to be considered a parser function and consequently not be wrapped [23:37:49] ah! interesting [23:37:55] Because it was testing for {{\S*: [23:38:10] aah, stupid colons [23:38:43] So I changed it to take the | into account [23:39:02] Yeah I had to stare at that for a while and couldn't figure out why it wasn't being wrapped, only when I saw the parser function check in the code did it hit me [23:39:41] table insert looks to be fixed in IE8 [23:39:58] Good [23:40:01] and IE7 [23:40:05] including the selection [23:40:09] after insert [23:40:13] I'll update the cluster to trunk state some time tomorrow [23:40:23] adam_miller_away is a ninja [23:41:26] *werdna fights adam_miller_away [23:41:44] *guillom snuggles werdna [23:42:00] TrevorParscal: Oh and Laura Ridley fixed a bug with stylesheet loading order in Vector [23:42:06] *werdna wonders how to respond [23:42:20] RoanKattouw: I saw that [23:42:51] werdna: good luck [23:43:08] *werdna pats guillom awkwardly [23:43:34] RoanKattouw: could you update the deployment candidate before you go to bed? [23:43:42] ha ha [23:44:15] Sure [23:44:43] I'm going to have calcey test tonight [23:44:47] *tomaszf looks around at the shifty characters in the room [23:44:48] to verify the IE thing [23:45:06] *TrevorParscal looks the other way, suspiciously [23:45:46] TrevorParscal: Done [23:45:56] awesomeness [23:46:22] *werdna pokes tomaszf with a poking stick [23:49:24] werdna is in a combative state of mind today [23:49:25] *tomaszf smacks werdna with the wacking day stick [23:49:42] wheee [23:49:50] you like that don't you! [23:50:00] ;) [23:53:57] RoanKattouw: empty params work now [23:54:08] Awesome [23:54:38] isn't it bed time for the Dutch ninja already? [23:55:31] *guillom couldn't sleep as little as RoanKattouw [23:55:40] Ryan_Lane: you scared me for a second...I thought it was Friday b/c you were on [23:55:44] Yes, it's bed time [23:55:45] *guillom needs his 8 hours per night. at least [23:55:54] nimish_g: lol [23:55:57] I should really get sleep since I only slept 1-4 and 8-11 last night/morning [23:56:11] guillom: Oh I catch up in the weekends, don't worry about that [23:56:13] nope. after work :) [23:56:17] RoanKattouw, good :) [23:56:20] That's when the teenager in me comes and takes 10-11 hours of sleep