[12:38:49] hey who is around? [12:39:02] just a general programming / preference question [12:41:11] I'm around but not sure I can help; you should ask anyway, perhaps someone else will see the question later [12:41:38] or ask in #mediawiki [12:49:39] *werdna eyes flipzagging [12:52:44] oops sorry, was away for a while [12:53:02] guillom: actually it relates to your desire to have no filename conflicts [12:53:37] guillom: maybe i'm overdoing this, but it's not really scalable for the thing to always pick what seems like a "sane" alternative [12:53:45] hey andrew; still in Berlin? [12:53:51] e.g. if I pick "filename" [12:53:59] and there are 999 files called "filename" [12:54:06] I'd need 999 api calls to discover that [12:54:17] hello guillom, yes [12:54:42] e.g. filename 1, filename 2, filename 3, filename 4... [12:55:02] flipzagging, do we have to work on this now? I thought filename conflicts could be avoided for the study by simply providing the files ourselves [12:55:09] naoko made it a must-have [12:55:30] anyway it already does it, but by changing the filename to something like "Guillom 1234567890 filename" [12:55:31] sgrmbl; being in 3 different cities really doesn't help :) [12:55:46] werdna, when's your next scheduled flight? [12:55:48] guillom: is that acceptable? [12:56:14] flipzagging, I think so, at least for the time being [12:56:16] k [13:17:56] guillom: tuesday [13:17:58] evening [13:18:23] that's, what, 10 days later than expected? [13:34:31] guillom: 8 [13:34:54] werdna: what's going down? [15:11:46] hi nkomura [15:11:59] hi guillom [15:12:01] when is your office hours? now or in 1 hour? [15:12:13] in 50 minutes [15:12:36] ok [15:12:50] when is the branch office hours ? [15:13:03] hahaha [15:13:30] live from the motel lobby? :) [15:14:01] i'll see if i can drop by. but it's during dinner for me :( [15:14:10] good luck [15:14:20] i think the branch office is being dissolved [15:14:36] we'd love to see u there, thedj [18:00:27] hi nkomura [18:00:36] will you join the meeting today? [18:03:59] hey parutron [18:04:07] hi [18:04:10] do you want to call in [18:04:11] hi cary [18:04:12] we can use 2004 [18:04:15] sure [18:05:25] I am in the line [18:05:35] listening to piano music [18:05:46] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia/2.0#Need_help_determining_an_open_source_Arabic_font [18:05:54] i found some samples [18:05:59] *hannes-_- lifts his hat for cary [18:07:36] i want to know what the Arabic and Persian language people thought of it though [18:07:39] I like the third one [18:11:41] http://collab.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Logo/Descriptor [18:40:42] Added FreeFarsi version [19:56:00] cary ... I understand that the font preferred by Arabic script people differs per language [19:56:35] I know of a company who got a contract because they allow the characters not to be all on the same line [20:39:05] GerardM-, thanks, I'm getting Persian and Arabic *speakers* to help me pick [20:39:36] It is not going to differ per language. [20:44:49] why is that ? [20:45:26] GerardM-, to maintain consistency with the logo [20:45:31] to maintain a common visual identity [20:45:45] I've already talked with Persian and Arabic speakers. It can easily be done [20:48:23] as long as there is consistency within a language, there is sufficient consistency I would say [20:48:46] GerardM-, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. [20:48:51] And please don't bother me with this. [20:48:56] I don't need your opinion. [20:49:03] Right ... [20:49:27] so you are right because you asked some Persian and Arabic speakers ... [20:49:30] good for you [20:49:40] GerardM-, the font is going to remain the same. [20:49:57] for all the wrong reasons [20:50:08] GerardM-, you are being less than helpful [20:50:37] because I disagree with you because I have information that does not match up with what you know ? [20:50:55] Because I've already done my research [20:51:12] And you have a tendency of getting your information from bizarre sources. [20:51:35] right... please give an example [20:51:38] And this conversation is going nowhere [20:51:48] GerardM-, I don't have time to argue with a wall. [20:51:55] Drop it. [20:53:01] I may quote you ? [20:53:11] If you want to troll, yes. [20:55:29] Cary that is not how it works ... [20:55:37] You are not a stakeholder in the Arabic scripts, and you don't qualify to represent any stakeholders, so I have to assume that whatever you're doing is stirring up trouble. [20:55:47] And I DO NOT APPRECIATE IT. [20:56:21] that is where you are wrong [20:56:31] That's your typical response. [20:56:37] [20:57:33] You're intent on forcing your opinion and causing trouble. [20:58:49] well, let's just have a separate font for all the roman texts too [20:58:54] because someone doesn't like the font we use [20:58:57] how about the Cyrillica [20:59:05] Libertine doesn't really represent Bulgaria, does it? [20:59:17] Oh, this is an issue unique to Arabic text, hmmmm? [20:59:59] "Well, we don't like that text, it's too... Syrian-looking" [21:00:30] We are not customizing the font for each language. Period. [21:02:40] I'm well aware of the history of the original logo, and "preferred" differences among languages. [21:07:18] ah well