[01:01:39] <nkomura>	hey tomaszf
[01:01:46] <nkomura>	do you see trevor?
[01:04:22] <tomaszf>	yup
[01:04:28] <tomaszf>	he's sitting right next to me
[01:04:31] <tomaszf>	in r7
[01:04:35] <tomaszf>	come hang out with us
[01:06:03] <nkomura>	melissa is trying to reach trevor
[01:06:16] <nkomura>	i think pdhanda told him already
[01:07:32] <pdhanda>	yeah i told him
[01:07:48] <pdhanda>	and I'm out of here
[01:09:01] <nkomura>	thanks pdhanda, have a nice evening :-)
[13:27:01] <hannes-_->	hey RoanKattouw
[13:27:13] <hannes-_->	do u know how to install a japanese font?
[13:27:35] <RoanKattouw>	I have no idea how to install fonts
[13:27:44] <RoanKattouw>	I may have shell access to the image scalers, never tried
[13:27:51] <RoanKattouw>	But then I might need root access
[13:28:20] <RoanKattouw>	I suggest you poke atglenn / apergos (same person) in #wikimedia-tech during SF office hours
[13:32:34] <hannes-_->	k thx
[15:56:29] <hannes-_->	hi nkomura
[15:56:45] <nkomura>	hi hannes-_-
[15:56:51] <hannes-_->	do you have a minute? I d like to check the ja logo with you
[15:57:12] <hannes-_->	cause I have no idea how that looks like to someone who is familiar with looking at japanese font
[15:57:37] <nkomura>	i don't have much time this morning
[15:57:48] <hannes-_->	http://collab.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-ja.png
[15:57:48] <nkomura>	but i can have a quick look at it
[15:57:54] <hannes-_->	sure
[15:59:26] <nkomura>	is there a larger version?
[15:59:50] <nkomura>	are there specific areas you want me pay attention to?
[16:00:43] <hannes-_->	the font
[16:00:48] <hannes-_->	readable?
[16:00:54] <hannes-_->	letterspacing ok?
[16:01:06] <hannes-_->	what about the distance of WikipediA and the desciptor
[16:01:20] <nkomura>	it's beautiful :-)
[16:01:30] <nkomura>	of course readable too ;)
[16:01:31] <hannes-_->	good :)
[16:01:56] <hannes-_->	japanese and russian was kind of hard
[16:02:16] <hannes-_->	but I talked to some people of #wikipedia-ja and -ru
[16:02:18] <nkomura>	the distance and the size contrast look good
[16:03:32] <nkomura>	the current logo (the one in production), WikipediA, and the descriptor seem too crowded
[18:04:18] <hannes-_->	parutron: hi
[18:04:35] <parutron>	hi hannes
[18:04:43] <parutron>	am assuming your'e busy working
[18:04:52] <parutron>	?
[18:05:14] <hannes-_->	no
[18:05:18] <hannes-_->	shall we skype?
[18:07:59] <guillom>	hi hannes-_-
[18:11:19] <flipzagging>	Usability doesn't use any custom jquery plugins for tooltips? As far as I can tell.
[18:23:43] <hannes-_->	hi guillom how are you?
[18:24:16] <guillom>	I'm ok, how's life in Germany?
[18:24:43] <hannes-_->	good ^^
[18:24:54] <hannes-_->	lots of work in these days thogh
[18:25:06] <hannes-_->	but thats good
[18:51:33] <RoanKattouw>	flipzagging: Nope, just title attribs
[18:51:54] <RoanKattouw>	nkomura: In the other channel, were you referring to the deployment TrevorParscal and I did yesterday?
[18:53:15] <flipzagging>	it's kind of amazing how many jquery plugin authors have released tooltip libraries, all without considering my specific needs.
[18:54:14] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[18:55:10] <flipzagging>	RoanKattouw: seriously, it's either "optionally draw the tooltip using 3D canvas with nested tooltips" or "something that does popups with brushed chrome" or...
[18:55:18] <flipzagging>	and few of them consider licensing
[18:55:21] <RoanKattouw>	What do *you* need?
[18:55:50] <flipzagging>	an arrow on the right side, flat color, slate blue or pink/red for errors, HTML content
[18:56:23] <flipzagging>	there a tooltip library out there that does it, but it's 83K (!!)
[18:56:27] <nkomura>	RoanKattouw: hi.
[18:56:41] <flipzagging>	everything else needs adjustment. anyway, that's why they pay me the big bucks.
[18:56:52] <nkomura>	no we'll have more updates, wiki syntax insertion bug is a big one
[18:56:54] <RoanKattouw>	flipzagging: See if you can trim the fat off that 83K lib maybe?
[18:57:09] <nkomura>	hopefully we'll have solutions before the default deployment
[18:57:17] <RoanKattouw>	nkomura: Ah, of course. Just read your e-mail, that was clearer
[18:57:44] <flipzagging>	RoanKattouw: even some of the 2K libs have fat. Like the one I'm looking at now is nice and simple but has support for nested tooltips, and that's just silly
[18:58:44] <RoanKattouw>	Nested tooltips ^^
[19:17:19] <hannes-_->	hey TrevorParscal I just uploaded the topten logos to collab. I thought you might be interested to take a quick look
[19:17:28] <TrevorParscal>	k
[19:17:32] <TrevorParscal>	thanks
[20:48:45] <Danny_B>	omg, who designed / coded the collapsible boxes in sidebar? it is inaccessible without mouse :-(
[20:49:24] <GerardM->	My God ... apparently not yours <grin>
[20:58:55] <nkomura>	Danny_B: it is a valid point that left nav does not have the keyboard short cut
[21:01:22] <GerardM->	Danny_B if you are nice My God can and will fix it :)
[21:01:51] <RoanKattouw>	I'll file a bug about this
[21:01:56] <RoanKattouw>	Or wait
[21:02:15] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Why don't you file a bug, you seem to know your stuff better than me
[21:03:14] *Danny_B 	unexpectedly needs to leav atm, but will file a bug after he's back (in about hour)
[21:04:44] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[21:23:18] <GerardM->	<grin>
[22:08:22] <Danny_B>	what component you prefer?
[22:08:55] <Danny_B>	user interface, vector skin, other?
[22:41:07] <Krinkle>	is "Resize gallery and category widths to fit screen" a Commons only lab-option in the Vector ?
[22:41:39] <Krinkle>	ie. the number of columns. I think that should be default wmf-wide. I see nothing it could do wrong ?
[23:25:53] <thedj>	Krinkle: it is just a commons javascript.
[23:41:45] <Danny_B>	thw whole gallery concept should be rewritten to tableless design
[23:43:36] <Krinkle>	indeed
[23:43:39] <Krinkle>	css only
[23:43:42] <Krinkle>	simple float
[23:44:18] <Krinkle>	Can that be done from within the Vector skin, or would that require a change in MediaWiki ?
[23:44:24] <Krinkle>	(without javascript, thatis)
[23:44:43] <Krinkle>	ie. the way gallery is spitted out
[23:55:32] <Danny_B>	Krinkle: that would require change of appropriate mediawiki extension