[17:04:28] RoanKattouw_away: 66144, 66145 [17:04:33] when you get a chance [17:04:35] review those [17:17:16] Yes, I have 100+ unread commit e-mails, will be catching up today [17:25:23] this would take priority to review and commit fyi [17:25:29] it's causing issues on a live site [17:40:34] Yes [17:40:37] I will look at it now [17:41:20] + var tabindex = 32767 - $headings.length; [17:41:22] ROFL [17:42:08] I have some code lying around in the dialogs module that finds the highest tabindex in use [17:42:21] That would probably be more appropriate here, but this is OK too [17:42:45] TrevorParscal: Are tabindexes > 32767 legal? I have a hunch my dialogs code will generate such tabindexes as a consequence of this change [17:43:42] according to W3c, no [17:44:10] this is a simple way to ensure they are the LAST ones [17:44:18] and leaves room for dynamically generated forms [17:44:22] which are common on.. commons [17:45:00] Well [17:45:13] The dialogs module finds the highest tabindex in use, then generates tabindexes higher than taht [17:45:51] In fact, you can and should reuse that code [17:46:11] $.wikiEditor.modules.dialogs.fn.setTabindexes( $elements ) [17:46:50] The code you added is 1) slightly inelegant and humorous and 2) makes the dialogs generate invalid tabindexes [17:50:36] sure.. fair enough [17:51:07] Heh not meaning to piss on you here, that code made me laugh [17:51:14] Mostly in a good way [17:57:48] ha ha [17:57:56] i'm not taking that code very seriously, don't worry [17:58:05] i wrote it while half awake [17:58:13] r66148 [17:59:10] What's wrong with just calling the function? [17:59:37] $.wikiEditor.modules.dialogs.fn.setTabindexes( $elements ) [17:59:58] Perhaps a bit misplaced but it was intended to be generic (I think; I refactored that code ages ago) [18:02:57] Deploying this code BTW, no rush for fixing that [18:29:47] RoanKattouw: r66151 icons! [18:30:46] *RoanKattouw glares at lock icon [18:31:05] Looks totally different some time [18:31:23] TrevorParscal: You were a visionary with those style versions. I retroactively withdraw my previous objections and kneel before you :P [18:31:47] ha ha [18:32:14] why thank you [18:32:33] the new smaller icons are much better [18:32:46] I kept pushing that work off [18:33:05] I think the large lock icon is much prettier TBH [18:33:24] well, the smaller ones don't get cut off when rendered as a background for a link [18:34:02] Sure sure [18:35:44] sending some test-wikitext and a screenshot of new icons in place [18:35:55] hi tomaszf [18:35:58] i'm wfh today [18:36:02] feeling a cold coming on [18:36:04] Aha that explains a lot [18:36:13] I hear the 10am all-staff meeting took forever [18:36:27] you gotta take the lunch tv-show torch today [18:36:36] happy to have missed that! [18:37:18] RoanKattouw: screenshot was all black... sorry [18:37:56] i gotta eat something and restart my computer for updates [18:37:58] cyall in a bit [18:40:18] hey does anyone now where naoko is? [18:40:35] From what I hear the 10am all-staff meeting is still ongoing [18:40:51] This is very rare, it doesn't usually last longer than 20 mins or so [18:41:42] ok [18:41:50] in that case I might just wait [18:42:51] Sounds like it finished some time ago, you could try calling Naoko's desk phone [18:43:07] 628 [18:53:31] hi hannes-_- [18:54:43] hi nkomura [18:56:51] Staff meeting went on 1.5 hours this morning [18:56:54] we just got out [18:57:08] so re your questions about the readiness of uploading the logos [18:57:19] i chatted with Jay [18:57:28] he is still reviewing the guideline you provided [18:57:32] I heard it was long, didn't know it was that bad. What on earth did they fill 90 minutes with? [18:58:13] so please hold for now until I send out the clear signal [18:58:49] ok [18:58:54] so tomorrow would be ok? [18:59:07] RoanKattouw: you should be able to guess from the heated discussion from foundation-l [18:59:23] hannes-_-: the tomorrow would be the earliest [18:59:40] Oh of course *facepalm* [18:59:41] ok [18:59:58] For some reason the fact that all this happened over the weekend didn't register with me [19:00:03] we also need to time it with the announcement, so i will confirm the status tomorrow [19:00:11] ok [19:00:24] what about the russian version? [19:01:26] was there a pending question about the logo in russian? [19:02:06] yes [19:02:16] it was less readable than the old logo [19:02:37] so I suggest to use italic font for the decriptor [19:03:01] cause that helps readability for cyrillic (which is strange cause italic in latin is less readable) [19:03:44] I just want to make sure that it's ok for everyone to break the styleguide in this special case [19:23:52] RoanKattouw: trevor is out sick today, just in case you are waiting for him to appear online [19:24:24] I spoke to him earlier, he went offline to upgrade his OS [19:24:27] He's working from home [19:26:19] i hope he will take care of himself first though [19:26:41] Yeah he was also gonna grab some food [19:26:53] i'm wfh today [19:26:54] feeling a cold coming on [19:27:00] Speak of the devil [19:27:47] RoanKattouw: are prototypes and deployments are in synch with the updates which went out last week? [19:28:05] Ah... maybe [19:28:06] *RoanKattouw updates [19:52:33] nkomura: Both are up-to-date now [19:52:44] great. thank you [20:13:09] RoanKattouw: thanks for the deployment support [20:13:35] Sure thing [20:13:40] Want me to deploy those icons too? [20:13:54] I've held off on it because Mike_lifeguard said they were ugly and I agreed [20:16:10] ha ha [20:16:17] well, i'm not in a rush to push them [20:16:35] but making them larger isn't really a good idea [20:16:47] making them clearer or whatever - sure, why not! [20:17:48] i normally would spend way more time making them better looking, but I'm just trying to solve the issue at hand, which was that they were too large [20:18:05] something I've known about since I added them to Vector [20:18:09] but never took the time to fix [20:31:31] by the way, I played a bit with Vector on Commons recently, and I was a bit frustrated by the need to click on the sidebar menu sections to unfold the collapsed menus there. Is it absolutely necessary to click, instead of just hovering the menu header? I'm sure there's a rationale here but I don't see which one. [20:32:33] well, we want to tuck them away as much as we can without the user needing to open them constantly [20:32:46] so we remember which ones you had open/closed in a cookie [20:33:03] hmmm [20:33:14] I see [20:33:30] if we did a hover thing, it would be a strange thing to recall the state of [20:33:40] it's only annoying the one time you open it [20:33:45] then it's just there after that.. [20:33:56] if you look at google's new search results pages [20:34:02] it's the same exact interaction [20:34:11] yes [20:34:23] I didn't realize it was remembering the state [20:35:12] people whine allot about clicking on things, but in the end, always showing the important things and optionally showing the less important things helps bring people's eyes to what they most commonly actually want [20:38:09] hi, did you already set a date when the skin will be rolled out on en.wp? [20:38:55] Early Thursday morning, 7am CEST [20:39:33] wow! ok, thanks. [20:40:29] make sure your date center isn't under a DOS when you launch it :) [20:42:56] pdhanda: you get that thing I sent you? [20:43:24] you also need to make the padding-right: 18px; into a padding-right: 13px; for the CSS rules that use those icons [20:43:27] TrevorParscal: You get that thing I sent you? [20:43:39] yes... [20:43:43] just replied [20:43:57] I'm having trouble getting a hold of nkomura atm [20:44:04] she's likely in a meeting [20:45:43] yes we had that long staff meeting this morning and now she's running a bit late on her schedule [20:45:53] no worries [20:46:01] i just have nagging questions :) [20:47:25] TrevorParscal: the new vector images for bugzilla, yeah [20:47:31] yes [20:47:35] icons! [20:47:45] i'll get on in the next day or so if that's ok [20:54:42] TrevorParscal: My invoice was processing already, right? [20:55:23] *RoanKattouw just wired almost $8k to the IRS [20:56:29] RoanKattouw: I put your invoice in last week [20:56:42] OK nice [21:58:09] TrevorParscal: if you have bandwidth today, can you set-up a pre-release sitenotice on test? [21:58:23] howief has the final text for it [21:58:59] "Wikipedia's getting a new look. Learn more." [22:07:42] nkomura: What's up with canceling tomorrow's meeting? [22:21:13] we'll have stand-up scrum with x-functional groups for en.wp going default [22:22:09] i'll ask TrevorParscal to covey the updates to you [22:22:23] was there anything you wanted to discuss? [22:23:17] TrevorParscal: I'll be off to bed soon. If you find yourself wanting to push stuff to test later today, grab someone else or e-mail me and I'll do it tomorrow afternoon my time [22:46:34] RoanKattouw: will vector this week be deployed on other wikis than en.wp? [22:46:50] Not this week, I think [22:46:57] The date for that is still up in the air [22:47:02] But I think it'll be like two weeks after [22:49:32] RoanKattouw when I know what dat is planned for another language, I can blog this and ask people to finish their localisation for the Usability software [22:49:48] Yes [22:49:52] Like I said, nothing is firm just yet [22:49:56] But what you can plan on for now [22:50:15] Is that approximately two weeks from the enwiki switchover (early Thursday morning), all other wikis will switch [22:50:39] This is what I believe the plan is, but then again stuff might have changed or might change later, it's not definitive [22:50:39] but can I blog that ? [22:50:49] You would have to ask nkomura [22:50:53] that it is the plan [22:51:06] ?? nkomura can I ? [22:52:21] hi GerardM-. what's up? [22:53:15] ah, the schedule for non-English wikipedia and other projects? [22:53:20] yes please [22:53:27] we don't have a specific date yet [22:53:35] hopefully in a couple of weeks [22:53:48] Can I give it as a likely date ? [22:54:02] two weeks from Thursday ? [22:54:32] I am not official [22:58:43] nkomura is Thursday for en.wp official ? [22:59:03] Yes, this Thursday at 05:00 UTC [23:01:09] nkomura: So is tomorrow's team meeting canceled? [23:03:03] GerardM-: i'm afraid we are not that clear on schedule [23:03:16] we still need to see how the system responses on thursday [23:03:25] and if we can do the rest in one go or break it up [23:03:36] so i can't stop you from speculating [23:03:56] but i won't be able to provide supportive date at this time [23:04:04] The speculating is to entice people to localise before they change over [23:04:05] RoanKattouw: yes it is canceled [23:04:14] OK [23:19:52] nkomura i did send you a concept, can I post it ? [23:24:44] GerardM-: as i mentioned earlier, the logistics of Phase III switch is still in a planning phase [23:25:08] i do not want to rush translators with arbitrary schedule we don't have any supportive data [23:26:06] i appreciate your effort in encouraging translation work, but mentioning the switch may happen two weeks post English Wikipedia is misleading [23:26:55] It is not a matter of rushing, it is a matter of still having time [23:27:15] when the date is set, I am quite happy to blog again.. I am equally sure that you wi;; [23:29:05] nkomura: working on notice [23:29:07] just so you know [23:29:25] TrevorParscal: how're you feeling [23:29:49] sorta blah [23:29:52] well enough to work [23:29:56] glad i stayed home though [23:30:07] philippe wanted to bring in a volunteer to work on design [23:30:17] as the notice is being delayed... [23:34:35] there he is [23:34:52] Here i am :) [23:34:55] so Philippe is already having a volunteer work on the design [23:35:05] it's going to be text only right now [23:35:05] should we have trevor stop? [23:35:10] no, absolutely not. [23:35:20] Trevor should still do what he's doing... we're launching text only just to get something up. [23:35:27] yeah [23:35:30] More time > less time, even if the less time is pretty. [23:35:32] ok sounds good [23:35:40] But I need that pretty ASAP.... :( r [23:36:07] btw, the volunteer in question is AlexZ_ who's idling in here :O [23:36:14] with help from kibble. [23:36:41] cool [23:36:47] so we should be good to go then [23:36:53] Philippe: let us know if you need anything else [23:36:57] and I've added images to http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/NewFeatures although if someone could right justify them that would be good. [23:37:16] yeah that was the problem i ran into [23:37:22] i didn't know how to format :*( [23:38:32] is there way to add a link to get out of the release page, back to Wikipedia (preferably where the user is from) [23:38:42] as the page is dead end currently [23:38:55] that one's bigger than me, but that's another reason why I strongly believe this stuff should be housed on wikipedia. [23:39:17] we can [23:39:41] Is there a version of the Usability Logo without the text at the bottom? [23:40:03] I've asked Alex whether we can force the centralnotice to pop a new window so at least they won't lose their Wikipedia window [23:40:26] Is there any reason not to move this page to Wikipedia? [23:40:30] kibble: i don't think so [23:40:33] but let me look [23:40:47] i don't think there's a reason to not move to enwiki [23:40:59] I'm gonna do that. [23:41:06] unless someone says "no" [23:41:07] thanks [23:42:39] "no" [23:42:58] (I don't know what you're talking about, I'm just bothering Philippe) [23:43:15] The reason to leave it is that it makes it clear that it's a Foundation initiative and gives them a new wiki to navigate for more information. [23:43:24] (pulls off Guillom's leg and beats him with it) [23:43:31] It's also useful for when this gets launched to other sites, so that we're consistent on where we link. [23:43:44] kibble: We're linking to it.... but my primary concern is that 371million people have ease of navigation [23:43:52] it links to usability wiki tho [23:43:55] But I don't really feel strongly either way. :-) [23:44:03] and we already have a feedback page that's on enwiki [23:44:07] kibble: here's the original logo without text [23:44:08] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiProject_Usability_Icon.svg [23:44:10] Philippe, well, howie said he can't think of a reason not to move it, so I gave him some. :P [23:44:26] muchas gracias [23:44:30] kibble: don't be helpful. Wait! I take that back! [23:44:34] ;-) [23:44:36] nkomura, <3 [23:44:37] but we changed the color and size, so it is not a good representation of the current user experience logo [23:44:58] Would love it if someone could take 15 seconds to right justify the images on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_experience_feedback/New_features [23:45:07] i agree with kibble about having it as the release page as the central location [23:45:32] but linking a central notice to dead-end page will frustrate visitors [23:45:37] Yeah, exactly. [23:45:50] This is a fast fix. We can do a more elegant one in Trevor's design. [23:45:52] so i'd rather host in en.wp [23:45:58] okay :) [23:47:27] OK, I got it formatted [23:47:49] rather, Trevor beat me to it [23:47:51] Edit conflict :) [23:48:00] i can't help it [23:48:10] you're that good. [23:48:13] i also have a tendency to organize people's desks when I'm near them [23:48:29] except it didn't take [23:49:03] it did now :) [23:49:18] awesome! [23:49:29] oh yes [23:49:43] i was trying to make the odd thing you had going on there work better [23:49:53] but... yeah, this is how it was SUPPOSED to be [23:49:55] never, NEVER assume that I know what I'm doing with design. [23:49:56] NEVER. [23:50:28] ha ha [23:50:31] n/p [23:51:23] how will the sharing with wikimedia call for participation go... central notice-wise [23:51:28] 50/50? [23:51:33] no, this will get much higher [23:51:38] Wikimania has been up a long time. [23:51:47] ok [23:52:16] In fact, unless kibble's going to kill me, I'm going to run this as preferred ... [23:52:41] *guillom hands kibble a hatchett [23:53:21] oh darling, kibble has one with my name on it. [23:53:30] Two, actually. [23:53:34] see. [23:53:35] And a sharpener. [23:55:06] kibble, Jay's requesting no logo on it, so Alex is making that change. As to yours versus his, I have no preference. You boys duke it out. [23:55:41] He wasn't supposed to say whose was whose. :o [23:55:53] relabel one of your axes. [23:56:00] The truth it, I'm capable of reading page source. [23:57:01] OK, I have a "go" from communications on the centralnotice. Can anyone think of a reason not to go? [23:58:03] shall we stage the notice on test.wikipedia to check the flow and cross-browser test a little? [23:59:07] we should also, you know, fix the link. [23:59:08] i'm on that.