[00:00:09] I'm not sure what there is to cross browser test in a text-only version of centralnotice... can someone tell me if that's necessary? Someone who knows the tool better than I? [00:00:32] sometimes alignment is screwed up [00:00:39] moka just brought up something about the new features page [00:00:51] we should also view the release page in both IE and FF [00:00:55] right now it says "changes we'll be rolling out over the next several weeks" [00:01:06] we should change that to either "next several days" or "May 13" [00:01:16] Yeah, she and I just talked about the new features page... i sent her to you. I like "next several days" in case it slips.... [00:01:18] but that's just me. [00:01:37] yeah me too [00:01:45] let's keep it a little ambiguous if that's ok [00:02:03] nkomura: I've seen it in FF... i don't have IE [00:02:42] Philippe: i think howie has it on his mac ;) [00:02:54] sorry :( [00:02:59] i don't have bootcamp installed just yet [00:03:12] i'm ok with being a little ambiguous about the date [00:03:13] holdon, I can gotomypc to my home computer [00:03:28] it's got IE on it [00:04:16] oh an irc discussion :o [00:04:20] but we really don't have any day to slip to :D [00:04:46] since when has that stopped any date from slipping? :D [00:05:29] ;) [00:06:11] are we excited yet? [00:06:16] *mikelifeguard pipes in Katzenjammer to get everyone pumped [00:06:18] *Philippe can't get gotomypc to work [00:06:29] Does ANYONE have IE on their machine? [00:06:46] *mikelifeguard can virtualbox... [00:06:46] Philippe: i'll check with jeff if he has a spare mac [00:06:53] the lack of IE in our office, while totally understandable, is now looking like "bug" and not "feature" [00:07:14] Where should I look? [00:07:26] Philippe, I have IE... I'm at school still. [00:07:40] where everything is windows [00:07:51] AlexZ_: so you've seen it on IE? [00:08:02] the centralnotice and the feedback page? [00:08:22] I use firefox since IE annoys me actually. :P [00:08:23] sorry, not the feedback page, the linky-linked page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_experience_feedback/New_features [00:08:26] I can look for you [00:08:30] Could you look please? [00:08:34] yes [00:08:37] Thanks [00:09:08] Philippe, It looks fine :o [00:09:31] I can screenshot it if you want. [00:09:43] nope, thanks. [00:09:46] k [00:09:47] I just made a minor text change. [00:09:49] but no big [00:10:11] Didn't you want to check the centralnotice? that's just a wiki page, I hope it works in IE! :| [00:10:12] anyone remember the wikicode to make the section edit links go away? [00:10:24] __NOEDITSECTION__ I think [00:10:27] thanks [00:10:39] Alex, you checked both the centralnotice and that page, yes? [00:11:08] sorry, AlexZ_ :) (for pinging) [00:11:15] mikelifeguard: that wikicode worked, thanks. [00:11:32] *nod* [00:12:30] Philippe, yep. that looks fine as well. [00:12:36] Thanks, AlexZ_ [00:13:32] OK, so, any other problems... issues... challenges with the centralnotice? [00:14:54] can we do a quick test run on http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ? [00:15:20] AlexZ_: ? [00:15:26] can we make that happen? [00:15:30] Yep. [00:15:37] I asked kibble to start on it. [00:15:48] Thanks. [00:15:53] you guys are the best! [00:15:53] I need to go home soon. ;) [00:16:03] AlexZ_: I owe you a coffee. [00:16:12] thanks, nkomura :D [00:16:16] Philippe, hehe [00:20:00] looks like kibble got it turned on for test.wikipedia but we're waiting for propogation. [00:20:01] Philippe: are we making the notice visible to both anons and logged-in users? [00:20:06] yes. [00:21:11] it appears left-aligned on my computer (FF3.5 on Ubuntu) [00:21:11] i see it [00:21:18] me too [00:21:55] It's supposed to. [00:22:19] (Meaning: that's what the code's telling it to do.) [00:22:55] would it be possible to center? [00:22:59] i'm used to a center-aligned message [00:23:26] i think center-aligned would appear stronger as the sentence is short [00:25:07] Another thing, Alex and I can't figure out what looks better: http://caseybrown.org/~/vector.html (the usual format) or http://caseybrown.org/~/vector-transition.html (the current format) [00:25:43] http://caseybrown.org/~/vector-transition.html is ... uhm... scary [00:25:45] check that link? [00:26:35] And I agree about a center formatting. [00:26:38] kibble, can you make that work? [00:26:59] Philippe, refresh again. [00:27:17] Help = Hide? [00:27:55] kibble: my preference is for a sans serif font [00:28:00] it matches the rest of the page better. [00:28:28] http://caseybrown.org/~/vector.html ? [00:28:40] i think that looks great [00:28:41] good [00:28:48] it has the box as well [00:29:04] <3 offset boxes. [00:31:33] kibble, the template change looks great. [00:32:20] :-) [00:33:17] That's good, we weren't sure which was best, this one is based off our other notices (and it was a team effort). [00:33:37] *Philippe tosses gummy bears to kibble. [00:33:50] kibble and AlexZ_* :P [00:33:57] I already promised him coffee [00:34:00] :-P [00:34:02] :P [00:34:24] kibble... testwiki looks ... bae [00:34:24] bad [00:34:30]

[00:34:40] I know, the two parts haven't caught up with each other yet. [00:34:55] *Philippe withholds gummy bears until resolution. [00:34:59] Refresh. [00:35:09] *Philippe restores gummy bears. [00:35:11] :-) [00:35:22] Slightly larger text size? [00:35:31] i thought it was bigger in the past version... or am I just making that up? [00:35:41] We could technically run both wikimania-cfp and and vector at the same time, but I think it's better this way. [00:35:56] Not sure, hold on. [00:36:15] I saw [dismiss] the box [00:36:19] Yeah, I'd like this on preferred. Thank you. [00:36:39] nkomura: that dismiss is actually for the SITENOTICE that's active below that. [00:36:46] if you dismiss it, you'll see just the centralnotice. [00:37:17] but there was no message below it [00:37:34] but it is not important if it is not related to our central notice [00:37:50] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NoticeTemplate/view?template=vector_transition [00:37:52] Bigger? [00:38:00] It's at 1.3 now. [00:39:20] is 1.3 an increase over what I saw? [00:39:28] Yes. [00:39:35] OK then :) [00:40:49] nkomura: the sitenotice was showing off the ability to show a different notice to logged in versus logged out... it just happened to be blank for logged in and has text for logged out. But yeah, it wasn't related to centralnotice. [00:41:24] Another note: the notice is easily translatable as it's currently written, we just need unhide a few lines. (We're preparing for the future, with a global rollout.) [00:41:25] Philippe: thanks for the clarification [00:41:30] OK, anyone opposed to going live? [00:41:50] Nope. [00:41:56] i think we are ready! [00:41:57] kibble, awesome (on translation) [00:42:00] I checked IE-something and it looks good from my side. [00:42:13] kibble: yeah, thanks for thinking ahead [00:42:30] OK: so we have "go" from kibble, me, and Naoko... anyone have a show-stopping issue? speak now or forever hold your peace (OK, not really, we can turn it off if we need to) [00:43:05] It shows up for anons. check [00:43:09] It shows up for logged-in. check [00:43:20] It shows up period. check [00:43:24] Is it dismissable? [00:43:26] Does the link work? [00:43:36] I'm doing a final "go/no go" from communications too [00:43:41] check, check [00:43:54] Works for IE. check [00:43:58] Sounds good to me. [00:45:42] back [00:45:46] fun stuff [00:46:05] Communications says "go" [00:46:07] so i think that does it. [00:46:08] welcome back AlexZ_ [00:46:13] wb, AlexZ_ :) [00:46:15] ty :) [00:46:19] *Philippe tosses gummy bears to AlexZ_ too [00:46:24] :D [00:46:25] woo :D [00:46:47] Only thing that needs to be done to go live: change "test" to "wikipedia" on http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNotice&method=listNoticeDetail¬ice=vector_transition [00:46:55] OK, doing it now [00:47:53] submitted :) [00:48:08] Now we just have to wait 5 hours. [00:48:15] *nkomura goes to look en.wp [00:48:19] hey tomasz ... [00:48:24] heh [00:48:24] can you make our centralnotice go faster? [00:48:39] tomaszf, ^^ [00:48:41] ping tomaszf [00:48:42] sorry [00:49:15] Philippe, we don't want to give him an excuse to pretend he didn't hear you. ;-) [00:49:42] agreed. and i'm about to go sit on his desk and beg. [00:49:45] hmm [00:49:55] or not, since he answered. [00:49:58] ohh .. i get a visitor [00:50:07] okay, now i'm coming over on principle. [00:50:12] yay! [00:50:51] no luck yet [00:52:04] OK, i have appropriately bribed tomaszf ... (a drink) [00:52:08] so let's see what happens. [00:52:24] heh, MZ's flooding. [00:52:54] as usual :P [00:53:15] Where? [00:53:17] Oh, here. [00:53:42] *tomaszf watches the generate script go ... [00:53:54] It's prolly just his crappy client.. that he won't change. [00:54:01] Got it. [00:54:03] "Wikipedia's getting a new look. Learn more." [00:54:08] enjoy boys and girls :D [00:54:14] There we go, kids! [00:54:15] lol [00:54:17] thanks, tomaszf [00:54:18] It's quite sexy. [00:54:21] *kibble high-fives AlexZ_. [00:54:30] *AlexZ_ high-fives kibble [00:54:38] 'tis awesome [00:55:31] nkomura, out of pure curiosity, do you know the rollout schedule for other wikis yet? [01:01:44] i finally see it! :-) [01:01:52] had to clear the cookie [01:02:00] kibble: we don't have a set schedule yet [01:02:31] k [01:02:56] the launch on thursday will give us more data, system resources, responses, etc [01:03:06] hopefully not to far out though ;) [01:03:14] :-) [01:06:06] OK, kids, that's it for me. [01:06:13] i'm going to log off and go home. [01:06:19] later! :) [01:06:20] thanks for your hard work, everyone. [01:07:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=vector <-- broken images if i'm not logged in [01:07:54] very odd [01:08:12] and now it works again [01:08:14] very odd [01:08:23] Same, weird. [01:08:31] (Both working again and wasn't working before.) [01:08:58] which images were broken? [01:09:01] all of them? [01:09:10] The ones on the Main Page. [01:09:14] In in the news. [01:09:17] all the thumbnails [01:09:28] hm, they appear fine for me [01:09:30] I think the logo was intact. [01:09:36] Yeah, they appear fine to both of us now too. :-) [01:11:55] all very transient .. atglenn saw it as well [01:13:20] *kibble waves night. I'm shutting down. [01:13:28] we both got a badly cached page from april [01:13:35] good night kibble [01:13:36] eh .. all is well now :D [01:13:38] night kibble [01:13:39] thanks for you help [01:13:42] :-) [01:13:43] np [02:05:23] guillom: what would be a good way to go about getting the access to OTRS wiki? [02:05:40] nkomura: asking me would be a good way :) [02:05:52] :) [02:06:06] Will you please give me access to OTRS wiki? [02:06:13] sure [02:06:32] nkomura: do you also want an account on the OTRS system itself? or only the wiki? [02:06:42] i am preparing to set-up the query queue for the default launch of en.wp and subsequent launch [02:06:52] just wiki for now [02:07:01] i am not certified OTRS driver yet [02:07:03] the wiki is where boilerplates messages are stored and coordination happens; the system is where we actually answer the messages [02:07:05] very well [02:07:15] that reminds me I have to do an OTRS brown bag lunch [02:07:30] nkomura: user:Shuhari ? [02:07:56] my user name is Shuhari [02:08:09] for office wiki, i'm Naoko Komura [02:08:14] which is suitable? [02:08:32] whichever; I'm going to use Shuhari [02:08:43] k [02:09:05] nkomura: you should have got an e-mail [02:09:22] k, will have a look [02:09:48] you also got the boilerplate welcome on your talk page there, but feel free to ignore it for now [02:11:16] i'm in. thanx. [02:11:21] np [02:11:32] *nkomura is feeling empowered [04:24:54] isn't flagged revision checked going to cause confusion among normal people who'll think it means "Checked by an expert"? [04:25:26] put quotes around "checked" [15:40:36] test [15:40:46] <[[Mike]]> fail [15:41:51] shoot. not again [15:42:47] <[[Mike]]> nope, that message didn't come through either [15:43:21] there's another channel that keeps saying me the same: [17:42] Cannot send to channel: #inkscape [16:30:21] hi, is this notice is required in CentralNotice? http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=vector_transition [16:30:47] now it is visible in all Wikipedias where users set English in preferences [16:32:09] as far as I remember on May 13 you announced enabling Vector only on en.wiki, so you couldn't publish this notice in "Site"notice? [17:01:15] Leinad: globalnotice is more flexible and convenient, but it should be configured to show only on en.wikipedia [17:01:17] let me check [17:04:38] hmm [17:05:03] I thought you could specify the wiki, but apparently you can't [17:05:34] someone should file a bug for tomasz :) [17:13:24] *[[Mike]] sees "vector_transition wikipedia en " [17:13:33] <[[Mike]]> doesn't that mean enwiki-only? [17:15:10] no, it means wikipedia only for english interface [17:15:19] I think [17:15:55] yup, I'm seeing it on dewiki (use English interface) [17:16:00] No [17:16:03] It means enwiki only [17:16:04] <[[Mike]]> the column says "project language" so that's misleading :) [17:17:04] Vector is already *available* on all Wikipedias and in all languages. It'll become the *default* on enwiki on Thursday [17:22:52] Oh ignore me [17:23:01] I just read up on the context, you were talking about the CentralNotice [17:26:13] guillom: yes, it is visible not only on en.wiki, but on all Wikipedias + Wimania sites (http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org etc.) [17:26:22] Wikimania* [17:28:05] nkomura: (FIXED) When inserting text (using toolbar, special characters or dialogs) the edit window scrolls - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23052 +comment (roan.kattouw) [17:28:52] user is complaining that while random formatting guidelines mention headlines as "== foo ==" as well as random tools correct it to this form, autoformatting in beta inserts "==foo==" instead [17:28:52] hooray! [17:29:06] RoanKattouw: great! [17:29:19] can this be handled somehow? [17:29:29] Sure can [17:29:32] Wanna file a bug about that? [17:30:04] i was first wondering if it's on purpose or not [17:30:13] I don't think so [17:30:16] if not, i'll file a bug of course [17:30:21] guillom: moreover, on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNotice I disabled option "Preferred", because it overrides global notice about Wikimanai CfP [17:30:43] want me to mark it as enhancement or minor bug? [17:30:51] Leinad: I think that was done on purpose by Philippe [17:30:56] I'm not saying it was a good idea [17:31:34] Danny_B: Doesn't really matter [17:32:06] I think we should move it to the sitenotice instead, CentralNotice isn't really working for this [17:32:13] <[[Mike]]> Leinad: That was done on purpose :\ [17:32:15] Leinad: I suggest you bring up your concerns to howief / nkomura_mtng when they come back from their meeting [17:32:23] RoanKattouw: I'd tend to agree [17:32:52] *[[Mike]] checks if anyone is looking and quietly puts preferred back on [17:33:42] <[[Mike]]> gah, CentralNotice interface is a horrid thing [17:34:33] guillom: ehhh, I look for all day someone how can decide about it, you don't have any internal mailing list where you can write about it? [17:35:33] Leinad: if you send me an e-mail about it, then I'll be happy to forward it to the list, but I'm not going to write the e-mail myself -- I have other priorities [17:52:16] any Inkscape experts in this channel? [17:52:39] hannes-_-: hi; not an expert, but I've used it a bit [17:52:51] cool. [17:52:57] do you know how to insert special chars? [17:55:32] hannes-_-: if you know the unicode code, there's a keyboard shortcut I believe [17:56:45] CTRL-U http://en.flossmanuals.net/Inkscape/TextTool [17:57:03] I think a character selector from a table was planned [17:57:04] guillom: yeah... but I write a tutorial for the community to do the logo,... and therefor I need a simple solution [17:57:10] dunno if they've done it [17:57:14] ah [17:57:32] hannes-_-: is « copy/paste » simple enough? :) [17:58:15] wherefrom? [17:58:24] like from another application? [17:58:27] yes [17:58:42] yeah...that s what I had in mind... but I was hoping to find a more simple solution [17:58:51] for example, the edit window on the wiki [17:59:13] that doesn t help much [17:59:25] how do you insert special chars in the editor? [17:59:32] that's tough as well [18:00:01] maybe you should start by saying what kind of special chars you're talking about, because I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing [18:00:05] :) [18:00:28] hi hannes-_- [18:01:00] good news, we are ready to move how-to page and start releasing the new logos [18:01:51] cool! [18:02:19] what do we do with the russian logo? [18:02:30] cary and jay are discussing it [18:02:37] but don't take action yet [18:02:42] ok [18:02:49] i'll connect you with jay and cary [18:02:54] ok [18:03:00] so that three of you can coordinate [18:03:00] so I will wait for that [18:03:32] where shall I put the howto? commons or usability.wiki? [18:06:18] they are thinking of foundation wiki [18:06:26] but they will work with you on that [18:06:35] new logos will go to Commons as discussed [18:17:31] Morning TrevorParscal [18:17:36] So did you hear? [18:17:44] 1) I fixed the scroll bug (good news) [18:17:52] 2) WMF mailed be a check (bad news) [18:18:13] mailed you a check [18:18:14] hmmm [18:18:25] as opposed to wire transfer i presume [18:18:29] *RoanKattouw is now sending an e-mail to you, Bill and Veronique titled "So I got a check...." [18:18:36] Yeah I didn't see any wire transfers come in [18:34:30] TrevorParscal: how are you doing with bug 23333? the animating tabs thing [18:37:23] I haven't done anything with that yet [18:37:38] there's 2 things here [18:38:01] one is to not animate on load [18:38:26] and the other is to actually make items marked expandable but initial placed in the drop-down menu expand into tabs [18:38:39] Leinad: forwarded [18:38:46] tabs marked as collapsible do collapse, but menu items marked as expandable do not yet expand [18:39:59] guillom: thank you [18:40:06] np [18:41:50] TrevorParscal: want me to take those over? i've got a related thing assigned to me [18:42:13] sure [18:42:20] that would be great [18:49:51] handwriting recognition lS pretty good [18:50:48] ? [18:54:03] *TrevorParscalMod lS enjoying the new modbook [18:54:21] it likes is to be IS for some reason [18:54:31] lS actually [18:54:33] With a lowercase L [18:54:38] ah [18:54:41] i should dot my i [18:55:11] is [18:55:15] yup [18:55:16] ok [18:55:19] so, testing [18:55:35] what browsers/platforms have you been testing for this cursor jump fix so far? [18:56:15] IE8 and FF3.6 only [18:56:32] Both displaying the same symptoms for different reasons ^^ [18:57:33] right on - I am going to - do extra testing [18:58:54] OK [18:58:58] Want me to put it up on test as well? [18:59:00] Ah [18:59:02] Prototype [18:59:29] <{cary-busy}> Will there be a "pad" for Linux? [19:02:52] RoanKattouw: can i notify that person that there is an intent for that feature to be fixed? [19:03:14] Danny_B: Yes, it'll be fixed [19:03:27] thx [19:03:31] <{cary-busy}> enhydra, are you free? [19:03:54] somewhat [19:03:56] <{cary-busy}> can you poke hannes-_- if you are? We need some comments on the new Russian logo [19:04:02] *{cary-busy} pokes hannes-_- [19:04:29] <{cary-busy}> There is an issue with readability of the tagline in italic versus non-italic [19:04:46] <{cary-busy}> in Cyrillic. But I don't have the images to provide [19:05:30] I like typography and I think I can “feel” Russian text, so I think my comments may be useful [19:07:19] <{cary-busy}> I just wish hannes-_- were here [19:07:24] here I am [19:07:25] sorry [19:07:31] I was on the phone.... [19:07:50] <{cary-busy}> hannes-_-, enhydra is a very good person to look at the Russian logo. Can you coordinate with him? [19:08:35] enhydra: hi, here are some variations: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Juxn/ruLogo [19:09:18] I have been talking to some russian people who said that italic in generall is mich more readble, is this true? [19:10:30] hannes-_-, in these examples, I would indeed prefer #2.2 [19:10:54] however, I like current ru:File:Wiki.png even more [19:11:10] <{cary-busy}> hahahaha [19:11:32] <{cary-busy}> well, so we'll do the Cyrillic projects in Italics [19:11:35] <{cary-busy}> on second line [19:12:20] it’s not about the italics, it’s about proper hinting [19:12:40] we are getting the old this.style = 'NaNpx'; thing [19:12:46] we need to patch jquery 1.4 [19:12:55] <{cary-busy}> lolNaN [19:13:00] enhydra: why do you like the current version better? because of aethetics or readability? [19:13:09] one has to have a good sex with pixels to make text readable no matter whether it’s italic or not [19:13:29] *{cary-busy} bans enhydra from Commons for mentioning "sex" [19:13:48] whargaaarghhbl [19:14:23] so, the current ru:File:Wiki.png has gone through this s*x, and proposed versions haven’t [19:14:25] what does that mean? (sorry my english...) [19:14:46] manual pixel tweaking? [19:14:51] exactly [19:15:18] <{cary-busy}> sounds painful. [19:15:26] too bad... I am not allowed to do that [19:15:39] <{cary-busy}> enhydra, by the way, you're on my shortlist to help out with filling out the logo requests now :) [19:15:59] hannes-_-, why so? [19:16:09] {cary-busy}, I’m here to help :) [19:16:18] <{cary-busy}> it would kill his time. [19:16:22] to be honest: I did not understand... [19:16:26] {cary-busy}: no [19:16:29] I already had that [19:16:40] <{cary-busy}> we can't focus everything on ruwiki logo :) [19:16:41] and I had to redo it wiithout pixel tweaking [19:16:51] <{cary-busy}> I'm spending too much time on Arabic versions [19:17:37] I would like to have more insight into the very flow of the process [19:17:58] <{cary-busy}> ah, that's easy [19:18:01] <{cary-busy}> hannes is making the top 10 [19:18:09] <{cary-busy}> and community members, led by MOI [19:18:09] I will upload the howto very soon. [19:18:14] <{cary-busy}> are doing the rest. [19:18:33] <{cary-busy}> which includes Cyrillic-Russian [19:18:46] <{cary-busy}> All of Cyrillic minus Russian [19:18:52] RoanKattouw: should I patch jquery 1.4 to not freak out when NaN is passed as a CSS property value? [19:19:29] is that okay that puzzle globe is resized very poorly in the previews? [19:19:44] enhydra: thats the old one [19:19:45] TrevorParscal: If you're getting errors about it, yes [19:19:52] I was not allowed to publish the new one [19:19:54] :) [19:20:32] so {cary-busy} shall we go for italic for cyrillic? [19:20:50] <{cary-busy}> hannes-_-, I think so [19:20:55] hannes-_-, I’d generally say, yes [19:21:15] however, I’d like to pixel-tweak at least Russian version before it goes live [19:21:45] hannes-_-, also, in your previews, «Ви» desperately needs more space [19:21:45] I wann pixeltweal all of them [19:22:03] sorry I cannot see you cyrillic letters [19:22:29]