[16:44:30] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: adam_miller: how's it going?
[16:45:43] *RoanKattouw 	has booked his trip to Gdansk
[16:45:51] <adam_miller>	TrevorParscal: was TrevorParscalPho an indication of your lunch aspirations for today?
[16:46:11] <TrevorParscal>	mmmmm
[16:46:42] <TrevorParscal>	no, it was TrevorParscalPhone tuncated
[16:46:46] <TrevorParscal>	setup irc on my phone
[16:47:46] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: we need to push out that opera blacklist thing...
[16:47:55] <TrevorParscal>	and I'm getting reports that Konqueror is acting up too..
[16:48:49] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[16:48:51] <RoanKattouw>	The code is in SVN
[16:48:56] <RoanKattouw>	I just never got around to testing it
[16:49:24] <RoanKattouw>	I will stop watching TV and start working in 10 mins orso
[16:49:31] <TrevorParscal>	thanks!
[16:49:56] <TrevorParscal>	do you have konqueror installed?
[16:50:51] <RoanKattouw>	Ye
[16:51:00] <RoanKattouw>	I have KDE, so yeah
[16:52:58] <TrevorParscal>	could you test the left nav in that too?
[16:53:46] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Please relay to Howie: http://usability.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opinion_Language_Links&action=historysubmit&diff=7399&oldid=7397
[16:53:50] <RoanKattouw>	Sure
[16:54:08] <TrevorParscal>	there's no version specified...
[16:54:09] <TrevorParscal>	actually, there is -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23512
[16:54:59] <RoanKattouw>	Thanks
[16:55:55] <RoanKattouw>	KUbuntu 9.04 --> I have 10.04, so I probably have a more recent version of Konqueror as well
[17:32:21] <TrevorParscal>	so did left nav work with your version Konqueror?
[17:32:49] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[17:32:52] <RoanKattouw>	Konqueror 4.2.2
[17:33:06] <TrevorParscal>	i suspect is a JS error, not a general incompatibility, because it's KHTML
[17:33:10] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:33:21] <RoanKattouw>	Trying to obtain Konqueror 3.5.10 to reproduce the error
[17:33:24] <RoanKattouw>	Although
[17:33:27] <TrevorParscal>	right on
[17:33:28] <TrevorParscal>	thanks man
[17:33:35] <RoanKattouw>	Look at the error thedj posted from Opera
[17:33:44] <RoanKattouw>	Looks like Opera 9.3 is totally failing on jQuery
[17:33:57] <RoanKattouw>	Or doing something very weird at least
[17:39:47] <RoanKattouw>	OK I can't really get Konqueror 3.5 without totally breaking my entire package setup
[17:39:59] <RoanKattouw>	So I'm just gonna go out on a limb and blacklist Konqueror <= 3
[17:46:02] <RoanKattouw>	Sweet, $.browser already supports Konqueror
[17:50:36] <RoanKattouw>	Opera 9.63 is definitely an interesting browser
[17:50:56] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: The actions dropdown doesn't disappear after mouseout on Opera 9.63; will test in more recent versions of Opera in a minute
[17:51:17] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller: ExpandableSearch breaks search box display in Opera 9.63 (will test Opera 10.10 in a minute), will send screenshot
[17:51:27] <adam_miller>	yeah i saw that yesterday
[17:51:41] <adam_miller>	it does the same thing in 10.10
[17:51:59] <adam_miller>	some rendering issue
[17:52:22] *TrevorParscal 	hates opera
[17:52:37] <TrevorParscal>	adam_miller: is it a reflow thing?
[17:52:42] <TrevorParscal>	there's a reflow trick
[17:52:47] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller: Right so no need for that screenshot then?
[17:52:59] <adam_miller>	no i'm aware of it
[17:53:00] <RoanKattouw>	It displays the magnifier icon below the box instead of on the right
[17:53:05] <adam_miller>	yep
[17:53:09] <TrevorParscal>	you set body position: fixed and then position: (whatever it was before)
[17:53:09] <RoanKattouw>	Or rather, it puts it on a second line
[17:53:14] <RoanKattouw>	Growing the box
[17:53:26] <TrevorParscal>	hmm
[17:54:00] <RoanKattouw>	Well growing the div I guess
[17:54:07] <RoanKattouw>	The actual <input> doesn't grow
[18:00:25] <flipzagging>	TrevorParscal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesture_recognition#.22Gorilla_arm.22
[18:07:19] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[18:07:28] <RoanKattouw>	Looks like these cookie issues were parly due to the cookie path
[18:10:50] <guillom>	RoanKattouw: by "cookie issues", are you referring to expanded sidebar menus collapsing over and over again?
[18:11:31] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[18:11:42] <RoanKattouw>	It's storing separate cookies for /w/index.ph and /wiki
[18:11:47] <RoanKattouw>	And they're expiring way too faset
[18:11:49] <RoanKattouw>	*fast
[18:11:55] <guillom>	ah, ok
[18:12:05] <guillom>	glad it's being addressed
[18:12:42] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[18:12:46] <RoanKattouw>	I committed some code that I hoped fixed it
[18:12:56] <RoanKattouw>	But it was like 1:45am so I didn't test it at that time
[18:15:14] <TrevorParscal>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Pad
[18:18:37] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: With your review and approval, I'd like to deploy http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67204 , http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67227 , http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67354
[18:19:06] <TrevorParscal>	reviewing...
[18:19:22] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: i sent you a screenshot
[18:19:25] <TrevorParscal>	but nevermind
[18:19:34] <TrevorParscal>	i guess you hadn't deployed that yet
[18:24:41] <RoanKattouw>	Oh is that about the cookie path thing?
[18:24:44] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: tested and working
[18:24:47] <RoanKattouw>	Cool
[18:24:56] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: expiration and apth
[18:24:59] <TrevorParscal>	*path
[18:25:05] <TrevorParscal>	but you've got both ready to go now
[18:25:08] <TrevorParscal>	so, fire at will
[18:25:20] <RoanKattouw>	path: '/' is not the nicest thing ever and potentially insecure, but I'm not afraid of leaking a user's collapsing choices :)
[18:25:53] <TrevorParscal>	right, if it were something more... personally identifiable maybe it would be more concerning
[18:26:02] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[18:26:19] <RoanKattouw>	Also, it's a hidden feature
[18:26:36] <RoanKattouw>	These states will now carry over between all wikis for people who use the secure gateway
[18:26:55] <RoanKattouw>	Because the URL scheme is like https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Page_name
[18:33:31] <TrevorParscal>	nice
[18:33:39] <RoanKattouw>	Deploying these revs now
[18:35:26] <RoanKattouw>	Done
[18:36:54] <flipzagging>	What's one word, or a short phrase, which means "Assign a free license to this work"
[18:37:00] <flipzagging>	in other words, "copyleft" for non-nerds
[18:37:38] <RoanKattouw>	Have you seen the notice at the bottom of the Wikipedia edit page?
[18:37:54] <RoanKattouw>	Something to the effect of "if you don't want your work to be edited mercilessly or redistributed at will, don't submit it here"
[18:38:08] <flipzagging>	one word, or a short phrase
[18:38:18] <RoanKattouw>	Hmph
[18:38:18] <flipzagging>	maybe "release" is the right word.
[18:38:23] <RoanKattouw>	Free license sounds good to me
[18:38:28] <RoanKattouw>	Release under a free license?
[18:38:50] <flipzagging>	for most people free license means not having to pay a fee at the DMV
[18:39:10] <flipzagging>	I know you mean free as in freedom, but, most people default to without-cost
[18:39:34] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: I also need UA string info about PS3
[18:39:39] <RoanKattouw>	Or wait
[18:39:48] <RoanKattouw>	I guess I don't once we redirect those folks to the mobile site
[18:39:51] <RoanKattouw>	That gonna happen anytime soon?
[18:40:39] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal, howief: http://usability.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opinion_Language_Links&diff=next&oldid=7404
[18:41:14] <howief>	thanks RoanKattouw
[19:40:33] <kibble>	howief, I've been adding you to the CC list of some bugs not because you need to do anything on them, but so that you're kept informed.  Naoko usually likes that kind of stuff. :-)
[19:40:43] <kibble>	not necessarily because*
[19:58:45] <howief>	thanks kibble !
[20:57:49] <Ryan_Lane>	I wonder if it is legal for us to install OS X snow leopard, and leopard as VMs on tesla... You can install it via virtualbox now.
[21:37:02] <kibble>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Wikipedia-logo-v2-en.png