[15:05:20] hmm, seems that IE8 scroll on insert issue is still a problem [15:05:33] RoanKattouw: was that fix deployed yesterday ? [15:05:36] Yes [15:05:44] Anonymous or logged-in? [15:06:04] If logging in fixes it, it's just Squid cache [15:06:04] i'm anon now [15:07:00] nope loggin in, doesn't fix it. [15:08:17] Does Shift+Refresh fix it? [15:08:38] If not, does setting the edit box with to 1000 chars in your preferences fix it? [15:09:01] nope shift-refresh doesn't fix it. [15:09:33] it's weird though. not consistent at all. [15:09:57] 1000 colomns you say ? [15:10:31] Yes [15:11:05] yup, that fixes the problem [15:13:02] The guy on BZ was right then [15:13:09] You simply need a huge cols="" value [15:13:23] Let's change the default to 5000 or so [15:13:39] Although [15:13:53] That's probably a bit of a pain on CSS-incapable browsers [15:14:05] yeah. was just gonna say that. [15:14:35] Probably best to do something like if ($.browser.msie) $('textarea').attr('cols', 5000); [15:15:45] and then hope that that attribute works 'live' in MSIE versions :D [15:15:57] Hmm yeah [15:16:04] Well my IE debugger is totally broken [15:16:09] But if yours works, you could give it a try [15:19:45] $('#wpTextbox1' ).attr('cols', 5000); "Object doesn't support this property or method" [15:20:43] RoanKattouw: you must have M$ voodoo dolls on your desk to poke at or rip heads of...... [15:21:40] I should [15:22:02] In fact, I should see about getting two of those [15:22:07] One for me, one for at the office [15:30:16] *thedj is gonna try prototype just to make sure that all changes were properly deployed [15:30:35] I'm fairly sure they were [15:30:51] It has been pointed out that the cols attr plays a role in this, I neglected to take that into account [15:51:45] RoanKattouw: also, not only does the window 'jump' at times, the cursor jumps to a spot where I inserted something earlier.... [15:51:58] like there is a conflict in the .data set that is used or something.... [15:52:07] very strange. [15:52:22] Hmm that might be our fault [15:52:43] so insert char on pos 1, go to pos2, insert char, insert insert insert and then all of a sudden, you get an insert at pos1. [15:52:57] Where "insert" is "press key" or "click toolbar button"? [15:53:10] click insert character toolbar button [15:53:46] OK [15:53:50] Will poke after dinner [15:54:32] dinner. good point. [16:15:08] [16:15:17] any reason for having that span in vector? [16:16:16] <{cary|busy}> Just like that? With no id or class or style or anything? [16:16:37] yes, just like that [16:16:49] there are other similar [16:16:59]

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[16:18:18] there is redundancy between sections [16:18:24] with a few odd issues like that [16:19:46] <{cary|busy}> # [16:19:51] <{cary|busy}> That's it? [16:19:57] yes [16:20:00] <{cary|busy}> What a mess. [16:20:20] maybe they use it in some script ? [16:20:28] but in such case, why don't give it an id? [16:24:16] the span comes from the original vectgor addition at r51094 [16:24:43] the empty a added in 52374 among IE6 compatibilty fixes [16:45:42] Platonides: Needed to get CSS to work in old IE, AFAIK [16:45:44] Ask TrevorParscal [16:45:55] nkomura: Do we have the team meeting today as usual? Ext 2001? [16:45:57] hi [16:46:00] IE CSS? [16:46:19] hi RoanKattouw, yes we do [16:46:40] TrevorParscal: See chat history on http://prototype.wikimedia.org/logs/%23wikipedia_usability/20100608.txt , near the bottom, just before you joined [16:46:50] <{cary|busy}> TrevorParscal, talking about ID-less, seemingly meaningless span tags [16:47:05] ugh.... [16:47:28] where can I put this information so I can stop repeating myself? [16:49:58] TrevorParscal: in elephant maybe :) [16:50:10] Just say !iecss Some phrase here [16:52:15] RoanKattouw, adam_miller and hannes-_-, let's use x2003 [16:52:19] OK [16:52:33] TrevorParscal: Ah, that should be "!iecss is Phrase here" [16:52:44] !vectorspans To get things to work in all browsers, Vector has span tags in the top-level tab menu items in addition to the a tags. If you can magically make Vector work in all browsers, including IE 5.5 without these, please, be my guest! [16:52:44] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "vectorspans". [16:53:06] Sorry about that, you need 'is' [16:53:24] !vectorspans is To get things to work in all browsers, Vector has span tags in the top-level tab menu items in addition to the a tags. If you can magically make Vector work in all browsers, including IE 5.5 without these, please, be my guest! [16:53:24] --elephant-- You don't have permission to do that. [16:53:34] elephant: yes i do [16:53:42] don't talk back to me! [16:53:46] haha [16:53:47] @trusted [16:53:47] --elephant-- [c-67-170-206-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net, mediawiki/Catrope, adsl-70-137-172-57.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] [16:53:55] @trust TrevorParscal [16:53:55] --elephant-- Added TrevorParscal to trusted hostnames list. [16:54:06] !vectorspans is To get things to work in all browsers, Vector has span tags in the top-level tab menu items in addition to the a tags. If you can magically make Vector work in all browsers, including IE 5.5 without these, please, be my guest! [16:54:06] --elephant-- You don't have permission to do that. [16:54:06] @trust 216.38.133.254 [16:54:06] --elephant-- Added 216.38.133.254 to trusted hostnames list. [16:54:11] <^demon> Why don't you add the mediawiki hostmask to it [16:54:22] Does it support wildcards? [16:54:24] @trusted [16:54:24] --elephant-- [c-67-170-206-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net, TrevorParscal, mediawiki/Catrope, 216.38.133.254, adsl-70-137-172-57.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] [16:54:29] @untrust TrevorParscal [16:54:29] --elephant-- Removed TrevorParscal from trusted hostnames list. [16:54:37] @untrust c-67-170-206-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [16:54:37] --elephant-- Removed c-67-170-206-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net from trusted hostnames list. [16:54:50] *TrevorParscal awaits signal that his authority has been given to manipulate elephant [16:54:50] @untrust adsl-70-137-172-57.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net [16:54:50] --elephant-- Removed adsl-70-137-172-57.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net from trusted hostnames list. [16:54:56] TrevorParscal: Try again [16:55:00] I whitelisted the office IP [16:55:02] !vectorspans is To get things to work in all browsers, Vector has span tags in the top-level tab menu items in addition to the a tags. If you can magically make Vector work in all browsers, including IE 5.5 without these, please, be my guest! [16:55:02] --elephant-- Successfully added keyword: vectorspans [16:55:10] !vectorspans [16:55:10] --elephant-- To get things to work in all browsers, Vector has span tags in the top-level tab menu items in addition to the a tags. If you can magically make Vector work in all browsers, including IE 5.5 without these, please, be my guest! [16:55:10] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Yes, see #mediawiki [16:55:15] nice [16:55:42] @trust wikimedia/.* [16:55:42] --elephant-- Added wikimedia/.* to trusted hostnames list. [16:55:51] @trust mediawiki/.* [16:55:51] --elephant-- Added mediawiki/.* to trusted hostnames list. [16:58:31] <{cary|busy}> TrevorParscal, if you had ids for those span tags, like id="necessaryspantagforvectortoworkinIE5.5_1" you wouldn't have to keep answering it. [16:58:49] You mean a class? [16:58:56] <{cary|busy}> no, I mean an ID [16:58:59] that's the most rediculous idea i've heard in a while... [16:59:02] Yes [16:59:13] documentation in the form of classes and ids... seriously? [16:59:20] One, you shouldn't use IDs for things that you have more than one of and use _1, _2 to disambiguate [16:59:22] no offense cary... sorry if that was rude... [16:59:30] <{cary|busy}> Yes, it was rude. [16:59:31] That's what we have classes for, so you can use them multiple times [16:59:46] Second, what Trevor said, it's not an appropriate means of documentation [16:59:54] ok [16:59:59] i have to go to a meeting [17:00:01] *RoanKattouw detects tech vs. non-tech culture difference here [17:00:02] taking laptop [17:00:03] <{cary|busy}> Oh, well, keep answering the question, then. [17:00:14] !vectorspans [17:00:14] --elephant-- To get things to work in all browsers, Vector has span tags in the top-level tab menu items in addition to the a tags. If you can magically make Vector work in all browsers, including IE 5.5 without these, please, be my guest! [17:00:17] *{cary|busy} slaps RoanKattouw [17:00:26] <{cary|busy}> I am an amalgamation of both cultures. [17:00:47] Yeah, you probably don't fit in the "non-tech" basket [17:00:48] <{cary|busy}> detection failed. [17:01:20] But then calling an idea ridiculous is not generally perceived as especially rude in tech circles AFAIK, but maybe that's because we're all a bunch of autists [17:01:45] RoanKattouw: do you know which extension works for the meeting? 2002? [17:01:56] <{cary|busy}> Actually, I kind of laughed when he misspelled ridiculous [17:01:56] 2003 [17:02:00] Yeah [17:02:03] <{cary|busy}> It doesn't have the same impact. [17:02:07] TrevorParscal_ is notorious for his spelling [17:03:40] Blegh [17:03:48] i type by muscle memory, and some words have been remembered incorrectly... so I typically will spell the same words wrong repeatedly... [17:03:48] My SIP client has broken sound *again* [17:03:58] can you hear? [17:03:59] Yes, that is what happens indeed [17:04:01] No [17:04:14] Restarting X server to see if that fixes it. Will be back in a few minutes [17:05:47] <{cary|busy}> lolbug [18:28:16] RoanKattouw: i still don't get inter-language section expanded as logged-in even after i clear my cookie and cache [18:28:31] Weird [18:28:34] I will poke in a minute [18:28:41] Fixing prototype breakage now [18:35:10] nkomura: You're right, I get the same, weird [18:35:46] so the setting has been changed, but not taking an effect? [18:36:15] Oh seems to be a cookie after all [18:36:20] If you expanded then collapsed it [18:36:23] You'll still have a cookie for it [18:36:29] Cookie name is vector-p-lang, IIRC [18:36:59] vector-nav-p-lang , sorry [18:38:15] i cleared cookie for wikipedia.org, so it should include the vector cookie right? [18:38:36] Did you clear cookies for en.wikipedia.org as well? [18:38:52] *{cary|busy} wants a cookie [18:39:07] no. just wikipedia.org, let me check [18:39:21] *RoanKattouw ponders general solution [18:39:35] i found it :-) [18:40:29] I also think that casual users would not go through these steps [18:40:58] Yes [18:41:04] That's why I was pondering a general solution [18:41:40] it's working for me now [18:42:23] Well yeah, after you cleared cookies [18:42:31] Also, expanding the languages dropdown should've made it stick [18:42:50] Either way, this'll only happen for people who have expanded then collapsed the languages dropdown [18:43:10] So our target audience (people who are like "WTH were did the languages go") isn't affected [18:43:34] exactly [20:01:18] hey parutron [20:01:32] <{cary|lunch}> hey casey [20:01:40] hey hannes [20:01:43] hannes-t: [20:01:44] what's up? [20:01:59] howie is the one who works on the landing pages right? [20:02:36] somehow the screenshot he implemented is showing the old toolbar (not reogranized) [20:02:39] I think so, yes [20:02:45] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:UsabilityToolbar.png [20:02:49] That would be some one else [20:02:57] see that file - it s the old toolbar [20:02:59] that is not the current screen shot. [20:03:28] it should be this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VectorEditorBasic.png [20:03:58] hmm...now I am confused [20:04:12] that file is completly differnet from what we had before [20:04:30] yes; i recut and recast two of the screen shots, and then cropped the third. [20:04:34] anywany... this file: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:UsabilityToolbar.png really is only at the moment [20:04:44] is online [20:04:50] as here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_experience_feedback/New_features [20:05:04] jorm: why did you close the advanced section? [20:05:57] howief: hey, do you have time to join a qucik conversation about the landingpage screenshots? [20:06:08] i honestly hadn't thought of opening it, tbh. [20:06:29] sure [20:06:30] what's up? [20:06:51] it'll take me 30 seconds to whip up a new version. [20:06:52] well firstthing: there is a wrong screenshot out there [20:07:00] for example on deWP [20:07:00] link? [20:07:02] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:UsabilityToolbar.png [20:07:18] it shows the old toolbar (with old organization) [20:07:25] <{cary|busy}> that's the file on the commons [20:07:28] ok [20:07:50] so I ll update the file on commons [20:07:54] great [20:07:55] that should fix the problem [20:07:59] yeah it has the B/I [20:08:11] oh wait you're talking about wrong english version [20:08:18] yes [20:08:23] got it [20:08:47] I was up to create the german version, than I saw the wrong englisch version [20:08:54] got it [20:08:55] yeah [20:09:17] than we need to coordinate how we support screenshots in diff languages [20:09:18] howief: Got those texts ready yet? I'd like to get them in today if at all possible [20:09:28] some community already created their own [20:09:29] so brandon did some post-processing of the images [20:09:34] so can you make sure he's in the loop? [20:09:39] Is that jorm ? [20:09:44] yes [20:09:51] great [20:09:53] good catch [20:09:56] yeah, that's me. [20:10:28] so do we want to resize the screenshots? [20:10:42] I think the easiest way is to keep the dimensions [20:10:50] sure [20:10:53] whatever looks best for the page [20:11:30] howief: Texts shouldn't be blocked by images. We can change the image names later, or settle on the image names now and change the images as we go [20:11:40] sure [20:11:47] i'm proofing the final text now [20:12:03] here's the final text [20:12:04] http://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Peteforsyth/Vector [20:12:23] the main change is the first paragraph ("We at the Wikimedia Foundation. . .") [20:12:33] I'm going to upload a new version of VectorEditorBasic.png with the expanded editor bar. [20:12:37] if it's easier just to change that one paragraph, that's good [20:12:39] OK thanks [20:12:49] the rest of the text is second priority [20:13:13] ok i gotta get some food. . . [20:13:25] and done. [20:13:34] does anyone need anything else from me now? [20:18:16] *RoanKattouw frows at [20:18:18] *frowns [20:21:38] hey it s great to change a file on commons and see all those pages refreshing with the new file :) [20:28:28] howief, jorm: BTW, you can change the images per-language by just uploading images by the same name to the wikis themselves [20:28:45] I.e. to translate [[commons:File:Blah.png]], upload [[de:File:Blah.png]] [20:28:59] If uploading is disabled on one of those wikis or people give you trouble, poke me [20:38:47] *RoanKattouw slaps howief and Pete (in absentia) [20:39:04] howief: visit our [http://example.com usability wiki] for more information. *slap* [20:40:07] xD [20:42:55] RoanKattouw? [20:43:30] nkomura: Yes? [20:43:37] hi :-) [20:44:05] when you have a moment, will you update prototypes with the release candidates for tomorrow's deployment? [20:44:08] Yes [20:44:10] RoanKattouw: on nl-wiki we do not like lcal files [20:44:18] we want everything on Commons [20:44:21] Right [20:44:33] i will ask translators to poke them and also calcey to do basic testing [20:45:02] Probably better to use per-language file names on Commons [20:45:06] We can make that happen to [20:45:22] hannes-t, jorm: Just throw those screenshots somewhere on Commons and tell me where they went [20:49:50] (belated) hey {cary|busy} [21:36:46] RoanKattouw: where did you grab the text change from (in your email, you said this page...) [21:37:30] here's the final text [21:37:31] http://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Peteforsyth/Vector [21:37:39] It had a number of flaws, one of them still outstanding [21:37:55] Dammit Pete's gone [21:38:09] Any idea where this link should point? [21:38:11] peteforsyth: [http://example.com usability testing conducted over the last year] --> *ahem* [21:39:26] howief? [21:39:38] yes [21:39:41] i'm trying to pull up the page [21:39:46] there it is [21:41:47] is pete's page final in terms of text? [21:42:02] Well apart from the links pointing to example.com , I think so [21:42:16] i'm going through it one last time [21:42:49] yes it looks good [21:43:32] nkomura_mtng: what do you think of linking the "usability testing conducted over the last year" text to here: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability,_Experience,_and_Evaluation_Study [21:43:51] i thought the first sentence reads differently [21:43:54] (we can add links to the previous two studies on the page to make it easier for users to navigate) [21:44:19] "We at the Wikimedia Foundation have been working hard to make things easier for our users."? [21:44:59] along with the community? [21:45:10] ah yes [21:45:59] RoanKattouw: so, I wanted to explore using 1 cookie for Vector, 1 cookie for WikiEditor, rather than lots of cookies for each [21:46:10] Yeah you mentioned that [21:46:14] "We at the Wikimedia Foundation have been working with the Wikipedia community to make things easier for our users [21:46:19] We can implement a generic cookie-driven data store [21:46:31] Which at some point in the future could even use HTML5 [21:46:37] *HTML5 local storage [21:46:48] (we'd leave out "Wikipedia" for rollouts to non-WP projects) [21:47:50] howief: {{SITENAME}} ? [21:48:10] does that do the job? [21:48:23] Well it expands to Wikipedia, Wikibooks, or whatever you're on [21:48:34] sure, as long as it doesn't do anything weird :) [21:48:49] Well maybe on wikis like office wiki or something, not exactly sure what it does there [21:48:59] It expands to the local translation, too [21:49:00] would it simplify things if we just said "community" [21:49:04] Probably [21:49:10] ok let's just do that then [21:49:22] the specificity is nice, but not if it's going to cause problems [21:49:23] RoanKattouw: i like that [21:49:34] we could have mw.data or something [21:49:45] much of this is going to roll into the script loader work [21:49:59] Yes [21:50:08] What do you say we make it part of that [21:50:16] Would have to note that on our wiki page [21:50:39] howief: so the link to the feedback page will be different from anons and logged-in users, right? [21:50:43] *RoanKattouw makes mental note to poke Tim about giving his input [21:50:52] yes [21:50:53] yeah, how's that going? [21:51:03] anons = feedback page on language wiki [21:51:08] logged in = feedback form [21:51:38] Well, Tim hasn't responded to me at all [21:51:46] Nor has Danese been responding to me [21:51:50] examples of feedback pages: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/Default_Switch [21:51:53] *RoanKattouw sets out to poke both via e-mail [21:52:22] howief: As soon as you can, please tell me what these links should point to. I don't wanna have example.com in the translation database for too long [21:52:56] usability testing conducted over the last year --> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability,_Experience,_and_Evaluation_Study [21:53:31] for projects in Dutch, I think the feedbackpages on nl-wiki will be good enough, as it is one community [21:53:33] did the testing include page moving? [21:54:42] RoanKattouw: may i ask you to revert the text change you did? [21:55:00] All of it or just parts of it? [21:55:30] i don't know how you chunked them up [21:55:38] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67665 [21:55:43] If that provides any clarity [21:55:48] Lemme just roll out this code on prototype [21:55:51] but the first paragraph and the feedback page will need tweaks difinitely [21:56:07] OK [21:56:11] TrevorParscal: Can you take care of that? [21:56:25] Church_of_emacs_: :) here you are [21:56:47] Romaine: i will get back to your question in a sec... [21:56:50] It's midnight, I should go to sleep [21:56:51] hi lyzzy, I just realized my mistake (june 10th) [21:57:09] ok, that's why i was looking for you [21:57:10] lyzzy, http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/Default_Switch was confusing [21:57:22] np [21:57:32] RoanKattouw: why don't you take out the full rev [21:57:50] I don't think that would be convenient [21:57:59] really? [21:58:02] what do you recommend? [21:58:13] To just tweak it in-place [21:58:26] And have TrevorParscal commit those tweaks to SVN, because I'll be off to bed in a few minutes [21:58:38] k [21:58:49] just fyi: wmde is preparing a blogpost and most liekly a press release [21:59:03] i can make changes to the code [21:59:07] lyzzy, nice :) [21:59:15] TrevorParscal: cool [21:59:20] nkomura: Siebrand is reverting it locally on TWN, wants you to poke him or Raymond (in #mediawiki-i18n) when the final version is in [21:59:24] how much text are we changing? [21:59:26] hello lyzzy and Church_of_emacs_ [21:59:34] hi naoko [21:59:40] hi nkomura [22:01:04] thank you for outreaching the user experience initiative [22:01:13] we plan to publish the blogpost tomorrow as well as forwarding the press release to the jounalists [22:01:16] no problem :) [22:01:16] great to have your help [22:01:50] lyzzy: do i know you by other name? [22:02:08] nkomura: Sorry if I'm nagging too much, wanna make really sure you get this: please notify Siebrand or Raymond in #mediawiki-i18n when the real final version is in [22:02:14] alice wiegand from wmde [22:02:29] lyzzy: subject of blogpost, release of vector to 9 more? [22:02:30] RoanKattouw: did you push the text change to prototype? [22:02:39] Not yet, on that [22:02:56] GerardM-: symptomatic. Happens with translations for fundraiser and other important events too. "This is the final translation. You have a day. Oops, there were some last minute changes.". Bad. [22:02:58] No control over the process at all. [22:03:07] Still, it works and luckily translators are very forgiving and enthousiastic. [22:03:08] Romaine: the change of the standard skin gto vector [22:03:55] lyzzy: i'm excited to hear about blog post and the press release [22:04:21] TrevorParscal: we need text and link tweaks for two or three paragraphs [22:04:30] I thought earlier it was posted for en-wik/commons already? [22:04:33] in english only? [22:04:38] Hoi nkomura when the text is final I am happy to blog (as well) and ask for the next bunch to finish their localisations [22:05:06] is there an overview which languages still miss localisations? [22:05:14] yes [22:05:25] TrevorParscal: we'll apply the change in english with the hope of super fast translation [22:05:34] GerardM-: thank you for your help [22:05:40] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2010/06/things-change-even-in-localisation.html [22:05:45] k [22:05:46] Romaine: you had a question earlier [22:05:51] will you remind me again? [22:05:52] - let me know when the text is final then [22:06:32] Shameless re-plug from siebrand: make sure this is sorted out earlier next time, it's kinda become the norm to provide TWN with the "final" version a few days before, then tweak it [22:06:37] nkomura: not that I know still :) [22:06:47] the only question I had I posted per email yesterday [22:06:50] Romaine: if you need an update of those numbers, ask Siebrand [22:07:03] *Romaine takes a look on translate [22:07:45] Romaine: OK :-) [22:08:46] much still red :S [22:09:01] not in my language, but many others [22:09:39] there are localisations in 137 languages ... not complete but not bad [22:09:50] hehe, nl has a better coverage than English :p [22:10:08] consider the number of languages with the "most often used" messages localised [22:10:45] I think blogging about this would be nice, will get more attention [22:11:04] I do so often, some people hate me for it [22:11:13] maybe you can blog as well about how translations can be added, I guess that will be the most difficult aspect maybe [22:11:34] in my opinion those people are bored that they have the time to hate [22:12:02] translatewiki is almost a top 100.000 website justifying an article on Wikipedia [22:12:11] we have a big community [22:12:18] *Romaine knows [22:13:24] I am still pondering how to reply to that pillock who used the word lynching [22:18:31] Roan? do you want me to rename the english files to -en? [22:18:50] *Platonides still doesn't know what's the big issue americans have with the word lynching [22:19:01] well. [22:19:03] trevor how did you want me to communicate the text and the link changes? [22:19:19] jorm: Let's not, saves me some work [22:19:51] where i grew up, the idea of "lynching" is associated with "murdering black people through mob justice" [22:20:07] In the rest of the world, it's "mob justice" [22:21:23] crap. these files are not going to be the same size across the board. [22:21:37] wait. that won't matter. i thumbnail them. [22:21:56] Yes [22:25:27] <^demon> Platonides: For the record, some of us think being offended by a word is rather silly. [22:26:16] i'm not offended but i can see why some people are. [22:30:53] howief: the text change is staged [22:30:55] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=Special:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch&from=Main_Page [22:31:21] hm this doesn't include the most recent text [22:31:45] right so this is what he checked in so far [22:31:51] based on your earlier email [22:32:15] ok [22:32:20] i'll summarize the changes in an email then [22:32:21] we still need to give TrevorParscal the final changes so that he can incorporate in the code base [22:40:03] (incorporating some final changes from philippe) [22:49:46] roan? [22:53:01] he's asleep [22:58:15] <{cary|busy}> he sleeps? [23:00:25] roan isn't a bot? ps:Hi there [23:01:11] TrevorParscal: i just sent you an email which contains the final for the new features page [23:01:28] k [23:05:12] vector will be the default skin after today, right? [23:05:41] not today, but soon. [23:05:59] wasn't on 9 june? [23:06:04] hrm. i have a bunch of these screenshots, and roan wants me to chuck 'em up on commons. but i'm not sure what license to use. [23:06:42] jorm: see Category:Wikipedia screenshots [23:06:52] it has the proper license... [23:07:12] i have a template link. the commons upload thing is just asking for a specific license choice. [23:08:37] Alchimista: tomorrow 9th or the day after 10th [23:08:53] jorm: you have a summary box ? that contains the Information template ? [23:09:21]