[00:00:24] <nkomura>	so the improvements of graphics can go into MediaWiki
[00:00:46] <nkomura>	if volunteers want to grab screenshots in native languages for static pages, they can
[00:02:07] <jorm>	well, i guess the question is whether or not the pages these screenshots will be used in are static or not.
[00:03:44] <nkomura>	jorm: I'll come over and explain it to you
[00:04:09] <nkomura>	will you have this link handy?
[00:04:11] <nkomura>	http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/Default_Switch
[00:10:42] <nkomura>	jorm: en project feedback page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_experience_feedback
[05:11:48] <papyromancer>	oh my, Ryan_Lane I didn't mean to be so cruel to the tesla grid, I'will you give it a cookie?
[05:13:20] <papyromancer>	I'm guessing I've gotten the firefox-osx and ie-8 job queues all fouled up
[05:13:54] <papyromancer>	bp should have put me in charge of the top kill
[05:30:45] <papyromancer>	Looks like the grid heals itself, Awesome.
[05:31:41] <papyromancer>	but I'm still wondering if it might be a bad idea to cycle through all configured environments when running selenium suites, any thoughts?
[12:00:55] <vvv>	Where should I throw all the feedback I get?
[12:01:39] <RoanKattouw>	You mean as an ambassador for ruwiki?
[12:01:52] <RoanKattouw>	I was just thinking about that a few hours ago, I don't really know
[12:02:11] <RoanKattouw>	I will relay your question to the office staff if you're not around anymore by the time they come in
[12:02:47] <vvv>	By the way, how did you handle feedback from ruwiki?
[12:03:28] <vvv>	I mean, it was... in Russian
[12:03:50] <RoanKattouw>	Google Translate
[12:04:01] <RoanKattouw>	Which works when you can export stuff from the DB into a spreadsheet
[12:04:11] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe not so much when it's on a feedback page itself
[12:04:24] <RoanKattouw>	We should probably have a page where ambassadors can relay questions they don't know the answers to
[12:14:01] <Romaine>	on the Dutch wiki I answer the questions/remarks which already have a solution
[12:14:16] <Romaine>	other remarks I can translate and handle them over
[12:14:36] <hannes-_->	vvv: hey, you re the ru ambassador?
[12:16:05] <hannes-_->	I changed the ru screenshots on the newfeatures page yesterday, ... i hope that's fine with you
[12:16:29] <vvv>	It's fine
[12:23:27] <hannes-_->	so what is this extra icon about?
[12:23:30] <hannes-_->	in the toolbar
[13:38:06] <Platonides>	the images appear twice: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch
[13:39:18] <RoanKattouw>	What do you mean appear twice? I don't see it
[13:39:54] <Platonides>	how many images do you see in that page?
[13:40:01] <RoanKattouw>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch?uselang=es --> 4
[13:40:18] <RoanKattouw>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch --> 3 distinct ones
[13:40:29] <Platonides>	Oh, I see
[13:40:41] <Platonides>	since the text was in English, I didn't notice it was due to the language
[13:40:50] <RoanKattouw>	Probably a translations issue, will hopefully be resolved by the translators
[14:23:32] <GoEThe_wiki>	Hi.
[14:23:55] <GoEThe_wiki>	I was wondering how you can request a change to the central notice listed here http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=VectorNewLook&wpUserLanguage=all
[14:24:47] <RoanKattouw>	What do you want changed? Note that the change would be global, not per-wiki
[14:25:08] <GoEThe_wiki>	the tagline for pt should be "A Wikipédia está a mudar de aparência." not "Wikipédia está mudando de aparência", which is appropriate for pt-br
[14:25:31] <RoanKattouw>	Which one is the pt-br one?
[14:25:40] <GoEThe_wiki>	"Wikipédia está mudando de aparência"
[14:25:53] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[14:25:59] <RoanKattouw>	Currently pt and pt-br are the same
[14:26:00] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[14:26:06] <RoanKattouw>	And is "Saiba mais." OK?
[14:26:47] <RoanKattouw>	Translation changed. Will take some time to become visible due to caching
[14:27:07] <GoEThe_wiki>	there is a diferença in the way pt and pt-br use the gerund
[14:27:14] <GoEThe_wiki>	yes, the Saiba mais is OK
[14:27:30] <GoEThe_wiki>	thank for that
[14:33:42] <GoEThe_wiki>	Hi again. I also notice now that the Central notice is not active in pt-br.
[14:33:56] <RoanKattouw>	I think it should be
[14:34:02] <RoanKattouw>	Let me check
[14:38:35] <Romaine>	central notice or global notice?
[14:38:48] <Romaine>	global notice is only active in the current 9 languages
[14:41:20] <RoanKattouw>	Ha, weird, http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal?uselang=pt-br isn't showing
[14:42:37] <Romaine>	as I said before, it depends on the language users set in their profile, and even the frysk WIkipedia (without outroll!) shows the global notice
[14:42:57] <RoanKattouw>	Soemone with more CentralNotice experience should add pt-br to the list of languages to show the notice for
[14:43:00] <Romaine>	if you have Spanisch or other language in the profiel
[14:44:09] <Romaine>	it hasn't an own project so they have been missed
[15:05:19] <GoEThe_wiki>	ok, so since european portuguese and brazilian portuguese share the same projects, the default is to only show messages in one of the language variants?
[15:05:31] <RoanKattouw>	I think pt-br was overlooked
[15:05:57] <RoanKattouw>	The average American doesn't know it exists, so they probably went down the list of 9 languages and enabled those
[15:06:08] <RoanKattouw>	Either way, I will poke Tomasz about this when he gets in
[15:06:27] <GoEThe_wiki>	ok, I just didn't want to cause an international incident with my Brazilian friends ;)
[15:06:51] <RoanKattouw>	No worries
[15:07:11] <RoanKattouw>	Whatever happens here is the Foundation's fault, not ptwiki's
[15:07:13] <GoEThe_wiki>	How is it done when the message could be spelled differently in american english and british english?
[15:07:25] <RoanKattouw>	I think we just use American English
[15:07:36] <RoanKattouw>	Because someone in our San Francisco office writes the message
[15:07:47] <^demon>	Nobody maintains en-gb because mostly nobody cares.
[15:07:52] <GoEThe_wiki>	ok, that makes sense.
[15:07:56] <RoanKattouw>	But people don't care that much about UK vs. US English
[15:08:21] <RoanKattouw>	Well some people in the enwiki community do, but in that community you can find someone who cares for any subject
[15:08:38] <GoEThe_wiki>	the same can be said for ptwiki
[15:09:02] <GoEThe_wiki>	ok, thanks for all your help. don't want to keep you any longer
[15:12:31] <Romaine>	there is always someone in the world who cares about something
[15:12:54] <^demon>	Like the people who protest the spelling bee, saying we should spell everything phonetically.
[15:36:39] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller: Around?
[15:36:50] <adam_miller>	yes sir
[15:36:55] <adam_miller>	whats up?
[15:39:10] <RoanKattouw>	What's the state of prefix bolding in SimpleSearch? Did that ever really work? If not, I'd like to revert those attempts so I can deploy trunk and not worry about it
[15:39:37] <adam_miller>	actually i'm working on that right now
[15:39:45] <adam_miller>	it never worked the way i first attempted it
[15:39:51] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[15:39:53] <adam_miller>	im moving the match highlighting into autoEllipsis
[15:40:30] <adam_miller>	i had it working sorta well this morning, but i'm working on rewriting the whole thing to make it work really well
[15:40:30] <RoanKattouw>	ETA?
[15:40:51] <adam_miller>	should i go back to the working sorta well version and commit that awhile?
[15:41:15] <adam_miller>	not sure how long it will take to get it right
[15:41:39] <RoanKattouw>	Well
[15:41:58] <RoanKattouw>	If you don't mind, I'd like to not deploy that feature today for paranoia
[15:42:06] <RoanKattouw>	And take out the associated code temporarily
[15:42:34] <RoanKattouw>	So I propose I revert those earlier revs of yours where you tried to get it to work, then deploy trunk, then revert stuff back
[15:43:13] <adam_miller>	thats fine
[15:43:21] <RoanKattouw>	This is gonna cause massive merge conflicts on your side probably if you svn up during the time where those revs are reverted
[15:43:45] <adam_miller>	i'll avoid that for a while then
[15:44:11] <RoanKattouw>	Good
[15:44:14] <RoanKattouw>	It's just gonna be today, really
[15:44:42] <RoanKattouw>	Oh and don't commit any of your intermediate work to SVN :P
[15:44:52] <RoanKattouw>	Today
[15:45:33] <adam_miller>	i wouldn't dream of it
[15:58:18] <RoanKattouw>	<3 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/66690#c6832 BTW
[16:24:43] <adam_miller>	RoanKattouw_away: is there a reason why simple search results are only case insensitive on the first character?
[16:24:50] <adam_miller>	i only see this happening locally
[16:24:54] <adam_miller>	not on prototype
[17:06:23] <jorm>	i am guessing that there isn't a portuguese server on prototype?
[17:29:57] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller_away: That reason is called Extension:TitleKey
[17:30:02] <RoanKattouw>	Which is a nice little extension that makes searches in general case-insensitive
[17:30:18] <RoanKattouw>	It's not specific to SimpleSearch, that just uses the generic AJAX suggestions backend
[17:30:49] <RoanKattouw>	jorm: If http://prototype.wikimedia.org/pt-wp/ points somewhere, then yes. I really don't remember
[17:33:55] <jorm>	i just created an account on pt.wikipedia.org and did the useskin trick.
[17:37:48] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/r67738
[17:38:14] <RoanKattouw>	Good
[17:38:47] <TrevorParscal>	we should also consider a way to avoid sending modules we have no intention on turning on to all users of wikipedia
[17:38:49] <RoanKattouw>	FWIW, Vector/ and WikiEditor/ weren't accessing each other directly, just using shared code in js/plugins
[17:38:51] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[17:39:01] <RoanKattouw>	I've been thinking about this before
[17:39:04] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: they were using each other's plugins
[17:39:08] <RoanKattouw>	I want to make custom builds of the .combined.min.js files
[17:39:12] <RoanKattouw>	Well yeah
[17:39:15] <TrevorParscal>	which in a script-loader world would mean breakage
[17:39:19] <RoanKattouw>	But we have no real concept of plugin ownership
[17:39:21] <RoanKattouw>	Yet
[17:39:23] <jorm>	Platonides?
[17:39:26] <TrevorParscal>	agreed
[17:39:30] <TrevorParscal>	but that will change soon
[17:39:38] <TrevorParscal>	so I noticed this and decided to fix it :)
[17:39:45] <jorm>	not here.
[17:39:45] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[17:39:51] <TrevorParscal>	oh
[17:39:52] <RoanKattouw>	I'm gonna write an e-mail about tonight's deployment
[17:39:57] <TrevorParscal>	and I broke the highlight plugin
[17:40:00] <TrevorParscal>	in this same commit
[17:40:04] <TrevorParscal>	on accident
[17:40:16] <TrevorParscal>	because I was half way through the conversion to a new data format...
[17:40:17] <TrevorParscal>	CRAP
[17:40:30] <TrevorParscal>	i guess I better finish
[17:40:33] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:40:44] <RoanKattouw>	If you can fix this in the next half hour or so I'll be perfectly happy
[17:41:07] <TrevorParscal>	you know, I really should revert that, and commit it when it's all done
[17:41:21] <RoanKattouw>	That would make review easier for me
[17:41:24] <RoanKattouw>	So please
[17:45:13] <TrevorParscal>	that was a commit fail anyways
[17:45:21] <TrevorParscal>	like half the files didn't get committed
[17:45:37] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[17:45:45] <RoanKattouw>	That happens all the time
[17:46:01] <RoanKattouw>	It's not unusual for someone to post a patch to Bugzilla, then commit half of it along with their next small commit
[17:46:09] *^demon 	raises his hand
[17:46:13] <^demon>	Did that one this morning :)
[17:46:29] <RoanKattouw>	Everyone has done that a few times
[17:47:08] <TrevorParscal>	dang it
[17:47:18] <RoanKattouw>	tomaszf: I got poked by someone from ptwiki today wondering why the CentralNotice / global notice / whatever for the Vector rollout shows with lang=pt but not with lang=pt-br . I'm guessing that whoever set that up simply forgot about pt-br? I would fix it if I had a clue about how CentralNotice worked
[17:47:41] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: What, did you have post-commit local changes?
[17:48:01] <TrevorParscal>	just stuff that was outside the directory I committed...
[17:48:07] <TrevorParscal>	i commited from the wrong place
[17:48:10] <tomaszf>	RoanKattouw: is it showing english text instead of pt-br ?
[17:48:23] <RoanKattouw>	tomaszf: No it's not showing at all for uselang=pt-br
[17:48:29] <RoanKattouw>	But it is showing for uselang=pt
[17:48:48] <TrevorParscal>	has no ancestry information
[17:48:54] <TrevorParscal>	wtf?
[17:49:30] <RoanKattouw>	Shall I just do it? My local copy should be clean of such weirdness
[17:49:48] <TrevorParscal>	i got it
[17:49:54] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[17:49:58] <TrevorParscal>	i have some strange stuff going on
[17:50:01] <TrevorParscal>	will fix soon
[17:50:11] <TrevorParscal>	does that look right?
[17:50:19] <RoanKattouw>	Lemme peek
[17:50:41] <RoanKattouw>	Oh you committed from /js , I see
[17:51:06] <RoanKattouw>	Yup, all good
[17:51:41] <tomaszf>	RoanKattouw: we will generate a notice for anything that comes back from Language::getLanguageNames()
[17:51:57] <tomaszf>	but in this case this notice is set to run for pt
[17:52:06] <tomaszf>	not pt-br
[17:52:25] <effeietsanders>	hello :)
[17:52:28] <RoanKattouw>	Right so that needs tweaking
[17:52:33] <RoanKattouw>	I'm a total CentralNotice noob
[17:52:36] <effeietsanders>	is naoko around?
[17:52:43] <tomaszf>	we had a design meeting about redoing CN yesterday
[17:53:03] *effeietsanders 	doesn't know tha nicknames
[17:53:04] <tomaszf>	stay tuned for awesomeness from kaldari
[17:54:26] <tomaszf>	for now they can just do a notice for pt-br to get the same end result
[17:57:02] <RoanKattouw>	Thing is I have no idea who 'they' are
[18:08:48] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: How much do we need your upcoming rev for tonight's deployment? Will it help cut down the amount of JS we send to people?
[18:09:17] <TrevorParscal>	not by much
[18:09:28] <TrevorParscal>	we can release without it
[18:10:07] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[18:10:35] <RoanKattouw>	Could you hold off on committing it for 20 mins or so while I do some deployment prep?
[18:14:06] <TrevorParscal>	when did this mw-panel thing happen?
[18:14:37] <RoanKattouw>	Today or yesterday
[18:14:46] <RoanKattouw>	It's to prevent conflicts with ==panel==
[18:14:51] <RoanKattouw>	Which renders to <h2 id="panel">
[18:15:07] <RoanKattouw>	And generally the notion that we should mw- prefix IDs where possible (i.e. without breaking stuff)
[18:15:08] <TrevorParscal>	what if your heading is ==mw-panel==
[18:15:20] <RoanKattouw>	Well sure
[18:15:21] <RoanKattouw>	But that's far less likely to happen
[18:15:21] <TrevorParscal>	i mean, i'm ok with that
[18:15:29] <RoanKattouw>	I've seen real-world bug reports about ==head==
[18:15:34] <TrevorParscal>	yeah
[18:15:36] <TrevorParscal>	no worries
[18:15:38] <TrevorParscal>	it makes sense
[18:15:42] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, there is a bug open about a generic solution to fix duplicate IDs
[18:15:55] <RoanKattouw>	You could also have two consecutive ==foo== headers and create invalid HTML with that
[18:16:01] <TrevorParscal>	it would make more sense for it to be more like template- or skin- but - whatever
[18:16:09] <RoanKattouw>	Oh well
[18:16:31] <RoanKattouw>	I still need to look at Vector, but I'm gonna get UsabilityInitiative in shape first now
[18:27:46] <TrevorParscal>	What's with the makefile for UsabilityInitiative
[18:27:52] <TrevorParscal>	it's trying to do something with the PHP files?
[18:28:13] <TrevorParscal>	it's failing
[18:28:14] <RoanKattouw>	Oh I forgot to e-mail about that
[18:28:20] <RoanKattouw>	It's an auto-incrementer for version numbers
[18:28:24] <RoanKattouw>	It works fine on my box
[18:28:39] <TrevorParscal>	well it's borked on mine
[18:28:55] <TrevorParscal>	sed: 1: "UsabilityInitiative.hoo ...": invalid command code U
[18:29:18] <RoanKattouw>	Poke Platonides
[18:29:20] <RoanKattouw>	It works on my box
[18:29:40] <TrevorParscal>	why would I poke him?
[18:30:53] <TrevorParscal>	sed isn't consistent across platforms
[18:30:57] <TrevorParscal>	this might not work
[18:31:24] <RoanKattouw>	Because he wrote it
[18:34:03] <TrevorParscal>	also, this doesn't actually work
[18:34:29] <TrevorParscal>	if you change js in Vector/Modules/SomeModule/SomeJsFile.js it doesn't update the hook file
[18:34:35] <TrevorParscal>	I need to remove this
[18:38:05] <RoanKattouw>	Worked for me
[18:38:08] <RoanKattouw>	But go ahead
[18:38:18] <TrevorParscal>	i mean, I don't want to just delete good work
[18:38:20] <RoanKattouw>	As long as you just touch Makefile and stay out of other files for now
[18:38:26] <TrevorParscal>	but I need to be able to commit code here...
[18:38:28] <RoanKattouw>	Hey it'll still be in SVN
[18:38:34] <TrevorParscal>	yeah...
[18:38:41] <RoanKattouw>	Just explain it properly in the revert message
[18:38:55] <RoanKattouw>	Like "this is awesome on principle but it breaks on my box"
[18:40:28] <jorm>	hrm. i am going to need an svn username.
[18:41:57] <RoanKattouw>	jorm: Contact TimStarling
[18:42:09] <RoanKattouw>	At a time when it's not 4:42am in Sydney :)
[18:42:14] <jorm>	k. when i see him online, i will.
[18:42:21] <jorm>	psht.  who sleeps?
[18:45:25] <thedj>	jorm: mailing like described here before you poke Tim, will probably work even better.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access
[18:48:58] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[18:49:08] <RoanKattouw>	Do mention you're a staffer
[18:50:27] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: this is fixed in SVN, can you update your reivew? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67559
[18:51:06] <RoanKattouw>	I think what's left is mostly stylistic
[18:51:11] <RoanKattouw>	So please do address that, but not today
[18:51:15] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: btw, more problems due to the onclick events to workaround the issue with javacript: links that cause the dialogs.
[18:51:18] <thedj>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js#Change_to_collapsible_tables_code
[18:51:40] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: I addressed it all i thought
[18:51:43] <TrevorParscal>	what is left?
[18:51:51] <thedj>	i'm thinking about adding a killEvent() to wikibits.js and then using that for the collapsible code, toc code and edittools.js
[18:52:01] <TrevorParscal>	the == true?
[18:52:07] <RoanKattouw>	Only == true and parentheses
[18:52:14] <RoanKattouw>	I fixed the global vars and the console.log
[18:53:31] <RoanKattouw>	thedj: Yeah I didn't realize return false isn't always enough
[18:55:48] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: i wonder though what Lupo's code would do when there are multiple onclick events on one element....
[18:56:25] <RoanKattouw>	Then the first one wins
[18:56:49] <RoanKattouw>	OR wait
[18:57:00] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe not, I think that's stopImmediatePropagation()
[18:57:24] <thedj>	yeah, this just prevents bubbling to OTHER elements i think .....
[18:57:35] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[18:57:36] *thedj 	reading developer.mozilla.org
[18:57:48] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67744
[18:58:19] <RoanKattouw>	Oh debugger, ouch
[18:58:21] <RoanKattouw>	Thanks
[18:58:28] <RoanKattouw>	Crap how did I miss that
[18:59:49] <^demon|away>	Oh wow, I did miss lunch today.
[19:00:15] <^demon|away>	(I know I'm running behind when people in SF do things I haven't done yet)
[19:00:23] *thedj 	has days that dinner is his breakfast....
[19:00:48] <thedj>	when i'm really working i always forget to eat.
[19:01:59] <RoanKattouw>	Preliminary predictions in, looks like a dead heat
[19:02:14] <RoanKattouw>	NOS has PvdA and VVD at 31 seats each
[19:02:33] <thedj>	wicked. it's gonna be fun :D
[19:08:09] <RoanKattouw>	And it has CDA going in half, 41 to 21. Even if VVD ends up winning, I can at least be happy about that :P
[19:08:45] <Romaine>	mmm, on the nl-channel people also talk about this
[19:11:51] <adam_miller>	RoanKattouw: do you need any of my FIXMEs fixed for today? two are related to emboldening, the other is reading the expanding search thing for RTL
[19:12:45] <adam_miller>	the emboldening related issues aren't really issues anymore since that code was rolled back and won't be going back into trunk
[19:12:49] <RoanKattouw>	Those two emboldening fixme's are irrelevant as I took that code out temporarily
[19:13:00] <RoanKattouw>	I will put that code back if you like, but if you want me not to, that's fine
[19:13:11] <RoanKattouw>	I would like you to address the RTL one today if you can
[19:13:18] <adam_miller>	nah no need to put it back
[19:13:40] <adam_miller>	ok, can i commit the emboldening stuff I have now?
[19:13:59] <adam_miller>	it'll be a PIA to commit anything else without committing these changes
[19:14:07] <RoanKattouw>	OK go ahead
[19:14:07] <adam_miller>	and i doubt you want both in one commit
[19:14:13] <RoanKattouw>	Trevor also committed major refactorings already
[19:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	I'm just gonna have to work with what I have in trunk now
[19:14:25] <adam_miller>	well if Trevor is doing it
[19:14:32] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, 1.16wmf4 thati s
[19:44:20] <TrevorLunch>	are we branching instead of reverting temporarily?
[19:45:06] <RoanKattouw>	I have branched now
[19:45:15] <RoanKattouw>	Everyone feel free to go bonkers in trunk
[19:45:29] <RoanKattouw>	I will be backporting necessary revs to 1.16wmf4 , which is now trunk state as of r67741
[19:45:59] <RoanKattouw>	I've also cherry-picked some revs from /skins/vector, gonna merge those in now
[19:54:22] <RoanKattouw>	Lol, they're showing results now, Schiermonnikoog has a 123% turnout (no mistake)
[19:58:59] <Romaine>	RoanKattouw: misschien handig als je op #Wikipedia-nl komt :p
[20:00:56] <GerardM->	will Naoko be in today ?
[20:01:39] <RoanKattouw>	I think Wednesday is her WFH day
[20:01:48] <GerardM->	WFH ?
[20:02:37] <RoanKattouw>	Working from home
[20:03:29] <RoanKattouw>	She has been sending e-mails though, so I guess she's working
[20:03:56] <GerardM->	RoanKattouw do you know if there is a photo of the XU team ?
[20:05:18] <RoanKattouw>	A team photo? No, that's impossible
[20:05:39] <RoanKattouw>	We live all over the world and there has been no photo opportunity with all of us together
[20:07:12] <GerardM->	well, that sounds like some photo shopping is in order .... all of your faces as a bunch of flowers for instance
[20:07:31] <RoanKattouw>	haha
[20:07:51] <RoanKattouw>	Some of us are on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff or wherever that page is
[20:07:59] <RoanKattouw>	Other photos in Naoko's WM09 talk
[20:09:17] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorLunch: When you get back, please inform the office folks that our deployment candidate is live on http://prototype.wikimedia.org/deployment-en/Main_Page (running the 1.16wmf4 branch completely) and ask them to test
[20:09:32] <RoanKattouw>	My activity will be slightly reduced as it's election night tonight
[20:10:22] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: thanks
[20:13:00] *Romaine 	sees no phptp of RoanKattouw
[20:13:02] <Romaine>	photo
[20:13:25] <RoanKattouw>	I'm not on the staff page because I'm a lowly contractor
[20:13:50] <RoanKattouw>	I'll probably need to at least be working full-time to get my face on there
[20:14:05] <RoanKattouw>	But my photo is in Naoko's WM09 talk, and on identi.ca/Twitter
[20:18:52] <Romaine>	that talkpage I can't find
[20:25:19] <RoanKattouw>	I'm not sure she ever published it
[20:25:43] <TrevorParscal>	i have that photo if you want it
[20:26:37] <RoanKattouw>	I have it
[20:26:44] <TrevorParscal>	who's asking for it?
[20:26:46] <RoanKattouw>	It's my avatar on Twitter and identi.ca
[20:26:56] <RoanKattouw>	GerardM- sounds like he wants to photoshop a usability team photo
[20:27:07] <RoanKattouw>	Even though we never physically got the entire team in one place
[20:27:25] <RoanKattouw>	Except maybe for July 2009 when the entire team was just the 4 of us (Naoko, Parul, you and me)
[20:28:23] <TrevorParscal>	yeah
[20:28:40] <TrevorParscal>	we're not like a soccer team that takes photos together each year
[20:29:02] <TrevorParscal>	but if we were, I'd be the guy in the back doing the bunny ears on someone...
[20:29:27] <GerardM->	so how do you illustrate a blog post about you lot ?
[20:29:38] <RoanKattouw>	Separate pics I guess
[20:30:11] <TrevorParscal>	there must be some photos of roan, adam and I from berlin
[20:30:21] <TrevorParscal>	3 birds with one stone
[20:30:31] <RoanKattouw>	Ryan, too
[20:30:41] <TrevorParscal>	yeah
[20:30:47] <RoanKattouw>	There's staff photos of Naoko, Trevor, Nimish, Parul and Howie at least
[20:31:19] <TrevorParscal>	i think he's hoping for 1 image that can represent us all in some way
[20:31:28] <GerardM->	exactly
[20:31:47] <GerardM->	so far I have been using the logo ... boring ...
[20:32:09] <TrevorParscal>	yeah we usually use our logo... i know, it's sort of generic
[20:33:06] <TrevorParscal>	what blog is this going on?
[20:33:39] <GerardM->	it would go on mne
[20:33:50] <GerardM->	http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com
[20:36:09] <RoanKattouw>	adam_miller: My greatest apologies, I hadn't noticed that your RTL fixme was in ExpandableSearch, which we're not deploying today
[20:36:25] <adam_miller>	hahaha....i was wondering
[20:36:37] <adam_miller>	oh well gave me something focused to work on
[20:36:46] <RoanKattouw>	Oh well
[20:37:01] <RoanKattouw>	Sucky part is I don't have time to review that rev, watching election night on TV
[20:37:25] <adam_miller>	sounds like a wild night
[20:37:38] <adam_miller>	that one will be a lot easier to review than the emboldening
[20:58:46] <Dispenser>	there is no go/search button in the vector skin using Links
[21:00:16] <Dispenser>	it's just a blank space
[21:03:41] <jorm>	that's interesting.
[21:03:54] <jorm>	i see a "Submit" button using Lynx, though.
[21:04:09] <cary>	you will submit!
[21:06:00] <jorm>	Roan, I don't even have an entry, let alone a photo. Revel in it; no one can find you.
[21:07:29] <RoanKattouw>	You're new though
[21:07:33] <RoanKattouw>	Like really really new
[21:11:34] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: you will be on the staff page, not when you've been at the foundation for a long time, but when you are an employee rather than a contractor
[21:11:44] <TrevorParscal>	Andrew Garret is also not on the staff page...
[21:11:48] <TrevorParscal>	it's an admin thing
[21:11:48] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[21:11:58] <RoanKattouw>	I was saying I probably need at least full-time
[21:11:59] <{cary|busy}>	Yeah
[21:12:03] <RoanKattouw>	Or moving to SF
[21:12:13] <TrevorParscal>	if we list you on the page, the governemet says you are staff
[21:20:20] <{cary|busy}>	gomment
[21:30:56] <thedj>	well there is always the potential for a Contracters page of course :D
[21:56:07] <Platonides>	Trevor needs to learn about fixmes
[21:56:29] <Dispenser>	lol
[21:58:58] <Platonides>	you can say "it doesn't work" without a revert
[21:59:36] <^demon>	"I will commit a new version using -e. Please check if it works there (alternatively, send me a Mac :)"
[22:00:23] <Platonides>	He doesn't have to test it himself if he doesn't want to ;)
[22:07:51] <RoanKattouw>	Platonides: Well he couldn't commit from his machine any more because the Makefile broke
[22:08:15] <RoanKattouw>	And we're deploying stuff tomorrow so we'd kinda like a Makefile that just works
[22:08:33] <RoanKattouw>	Make no mistake, that feature is awesome and Trevor has been a vocal supporter of it
[22:14:37] <Platonides>	oh, you're right
[22:14:52] <Platonides>	that would stop the make, not just ignore it
[22:15:09] <Platonides>	he has a point, then
[22:15:33] <Platonides>	let's see if it now works on mac os
[22:26:57] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67742 also adds MSIE blocking
[22:27:05] <TrevorParscal>	we need to be deploying that too
[22:27:09] <TrevorParscal>	if it's not on the list yet...
[22:27:12] <TrevorParscal>	in some form
[22:34:02] <RoanKattouw>	Could you make that change in 1.16wmf4 separately? I don't wanna merge the entire rev at this point
[22:35:16] <howief>	RoanKattouw: any update on the feedback link for anons on the New Features page?
[22:44:52] <RoanKattouw>	I think that's in now
[22:45:18] <RoanKattouw>	IIRC I unified the feedback section to always point to the feedback wikipage
[22:48:19] <howief>	aweseom
[22:48:23] <howief>	thanks!
[22:49:12] <howief>	is this on prototype?
[22:55:29] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, maybe, not sure
[22:55:46] <RoanKattouw>	Could you take a look there?
[22:55:51] *RoanKattouw 	is watching election results on TV
[22:56:30] <howief>	just did and it doesn't appear to be
[22:56:34] <howief>	at least for dewiki
[22:59:09] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm blegh
[22:59:11] <RoanKattouw>	Lemme peek
[23:00:08] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[23:00:14] <RoanKattouw>	That's because we have no German translation
[23:00:16] <RoanKattouw>	Or well
[23:00:20] <RoanKattouw>	It wasn't updated
[23:00:30] <RoanKattouw>	That's what we get for being so late
[23:01:16] <RoanKattouw>	lol, 8 out of 10 worldwide trending topics on Twitter was about our elections
[23:01:29] <RoanKattouw>	Not bad for a country with 1/20 the pop. of the US
[23:02:40] <RoanKattouw>	howief: There's a Dutch translation at http://prototype.wikimedia.org/deployment-nl/Speciaal:BruikbaarheidsinitiatiefVoorkeurenwissel
[23:02:46] <RoanKattouw>	Lemme see if there are new translations in SVN
[23:06:39] <RoanKattouw>	Ah I see a German translation, good
[23:06:45] <RoanKattouw>	Coming to prototype soon
[23:07:12] <RoanKattouw>	Spanish soon
[23:07:14] <RoanKattouw>	*too
[23:07:21] <jorm>	woo!
[23:13:37] <RoanKattouw>	howief: There you go: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/deployment-de/Spezial:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch
[23:13:50] <RoanKattouw>	Localized images not in yet, I will poke at that at some point
[23:14:13] <RoanKattouw>	Other languages (nl, es, fr, ru, pt(?) from what I've seen) also in
[23:24:51] <howief>	is this an appropriate page to look at?
[23:24:52] <howief>	http://prototype.wikimedia.org/es-wp/index.php?title=Especial:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch&from=Wikipedia%3APortada
[23:25:00] <RoanKattouw>	No
[23:25:04] <RoanKattouw>	Replace es-wp with deployment-es
[23:25:15] <RoanKattouw>	We're running our exact to-be deployed code at the deployment URLs
[23:28:40] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: is there a way to get the canonical project namespace in a message?
[23:28:46] <TrevorParscal>	it's different on every site
[23:29:11] <RoanKattouw>	{{ns:project}}
[23:29:14] <RoanKattouw>	Or just use Project:
[23:29:23] <TrevorParscal>	thanks
[23:29:23] <RoanKattouw>	That's an alias that always works
[23:29:54] <RoanKattouw>	Note that if you want the localization of "Wikipedia", you should use {{SITENAME}} instead
[23:33:35] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: You messed up in your latest commit, look at the diff
[23:33:45] <RoanKattouw>	Also note that I copied the names of the namespaces from Naoko's e-mail
[23:33:51] <RoanKattouw>	And used Wikipédia for French
[23:34:06] <RoanKattouw>	So please 1) clean up your mess and 2) verify whether those pages are actually broken
[23:34:12] <TrevorParscal>	r67767
[23:34:20] <TrevorParscal>	that is more what I was getting at
[23:34:24] <RoanKattouw>	and 3) verify that {{ns:project}} will work for that particular message, not at all sure of that
[23:37:17] <TrevorParscal>	hmmm
[23:37:38] <TrevorParscal>	what did I mess up?
[23:37:56] <RoanKattouw>	You reverted recent revisions to that file
[23:38:15] <RoanKattouw>	Look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/67767 , all kinds of unrelated changes
[23:38:30] <TrevorParscal>	wtf?
[23:38:36] <TrevorParscal>	mid air collision?
[23:38:39] <RoanKattouw>	Sort of
[23:38:40] <TrevorParscal>	I didn't do all that...
[23:38:45] <RoanKattouw>	What probably happened is
[23:38:55] <RoanKattouw>	You had unsaved changes in your editor
[23:38:57] <RoanKattouw>	Then ran svn up
[23:39:02] <RoanKattouw>	Then saved the file in your editor
[23:39:15] <TrevorParscal>	but I did not have unsaved changes...
[23:39:23] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[23:40:01] <RoanKattouw>	Either way, like I've been preaching forever, check your diff before committing
[23:40:50] <TrevorParscal>	you still think I should have used {{SITENAME}}
[23:40:53] <TrevorParscal>	?
[23:41:03] <TrevorParscal>	it's litterally a link to an article in the project namespace
[23:41:40] <RoanKattouw>	No
[23:41:52] <RoanKattouw>	ns:project was appropriate
[23:41:56] <RoanKattouw>	But you might as well hardcode it
[23:42:04] <RoanKattouw>	As you're hardcoding the name of the page anyway
[23:42:54] <TrevorParscal>	um
[23:43:10] <TrevorParscal>	the issue here is that you might be using german UI language on english wikipedia
[23:43:26] <TrevorParscal>	then it all would fall apart
[23:44:05] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, I have considered this
[23:44:11] <RoanKattouw>	I think we should override the messages locally
[23:44:29] <RoanKattouw>	Adding to TODO list
[23:44:37] <TrevorParscal>	but using {{ns:project}} is so much more simple...
[23:45:00] <RoanKattouw>	Oh sure go ahead
[23:45:14] <TrevorParscal>	sorry, i don't mean to be combative
[23:45:22] <RoanKattouw>	No worries
[23:47:50] <howief>	http://prototype.wikimedia.org/deployment-es/index.php?title=Especial:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch&from=Wikipedia%3APortada dpesm
[23:47:51] <howief>	t
[23:47:56] <howief>	doesn't give me anything
[23:48:13] <howief>	but http://prototype.wikimedia.org/d-es/index.php?title=Especial:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch&from=Wikipedia%3APortada does
[23:48:21] <howief>	unfortunately, it's asking me to log in when I click feedback
[23:48:36] <howief>	acutally
[23:48:38] <howief>	no it's not
[23:48:45] <howief>	it's taking me to the feedback page
[23:50:59] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah it's either deployment-es/Pagename (short URL) or d-es/index.php?whatever (long URL)
[23:51:28] <howief>	so regarding the japanese new features page
[23:51:31] <howief>	there isn't a translation?
[23:51:39] <howief>	i'm wondering if we should just go with the translated old version
[23:51:46] <howief>	http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:UX/New
[23:52:07] <howief>	is that something that's possible?
[23:52:27] <RoanKattouw>	Sure
[23:52:31] <RoanKattouw>	We can tweak those names all you like
[23:52:39] <howief>	does anyone object?
[23:53:02] <howief>	we're only a few hours away, and i figure it's better to have something than nothing
[23:53:15] <RoanKattouw>	I still have to sleep in those few hours :P
[23:53:37] <RoanKattouw>	I don't object
[23:55:32] <howief>	http://prototype.wikimedia.org/deployment-ru/Служебная:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch is still going to the login page
[23:58:42] <RoanKattouw>	Then I guess we didn't get a translation for ru yet?
[23:59:09] <howief>	here it is: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Википедия:Отклики_о_пользовании
[23:59:16] <howief>	already has feedback