[00:00:48] howief: Oh do you mean the redlink on the prototype page? [00:00:57] Yeah it tries to link to the feedback page on ru prototype, which doesn't exist [00:01:36] the " нажмите здесь" link (link in the last "paragraph" on the page) goes to the login [00:01:43] but shouldn't it go to a create page then? [00:02:21] That's the take me back link, not the feedback link [00:04:10] ah - there's no feedback link [00:04:27] (i don't see a red link) [00:04:59] Yes [00:05:04] So no translation yet I guess [00:05:10] Siebrand will be doing more exports [00:06:10] so what's easier at this point: [00:06:48] 1) for the currently un-newly-translated versions, use the old translated version, making sure the new feedback link is added [00:06:54] 2) wait for the translations to all come in [00:07:32] The latter part of 1) is tricky if you don't speak the language [00:07:45] what do you mean [00:08:04] Well [00:08:19] How are you gonna add a feedback link in Russian when you don't speak the language? [00:08:34] i thought the feedback links all existed [00:08:40] we're just changing where the link points [00:08:45] No [00:08:46] Well [00:08:54] They used to only exist for logged-in users [00:08:59] right [00:09:03] So yes actually [00:09:17] We can move text from the logged-in-only part to the general part and tweak the syntax [00:09:25] But I'll do that where needed in the morning [00:09:31] at this point [00:09:42] we should do whatever has the least chance for error [00:09:55] as long as the user experience isn't completely shot [00:15:01] RoanKattouw: can you update the UsaiblityInitiative extension on prototype? [00:15:10] it seems that the prefswitch i18n is out of date [00:15:44] Ah [00:15:52] I'd rather wait until you fix your stuff [00:15:55] Then merge to 1.16wmf4 [00:16:00] i'm not changing anything [00:16:07] Then update prototype (because it's running offf 1.16wmf4) [00:16:27] we just have to override MediaWiki:prefswitch-feedbackpage on each wiki [00:16:33] so I'm done [00:16:48] Naoko was wondering why the prototype was not up to date, people were "freaking out" [00:16:55] OK [00:17:04] Message to all: go to the *DEPLOYMENT* prototypes [00:17:10] And, not all translations are in [00:17:24] Except for one typo fix in the en messages , the deployment prototypes are perfectly up to date [00:18:09] thank yo [00:18:22] i'm quite frazzled [00:18:27] I can't imagine how you feel [00:18:35] you need to go to bed [00:18:38] I'm up at 2:19 am [00:18:39] like 3 hours ago [00:18:40] Need to get up at 7 [00:18:50] please go to sleep [00:18:51] This election is crazy close [00:18:54] Do I need to be around tonight? [00:18:58] I mean, from home? [00:19:02] With my candidate now trailing by ... crap 29k votes [00:19:10] Was 2k [00:19:19] cary: asking naoko [00:19:58] so what do you guys think we should do for the languages that don't yet have translations for the New Features pagE? [00:20:16] cary: it would be helpful, but it's not required [00:20:34] howief: i have no idea.. [00:21:20] what's gonna happen if we do nothing [00:24:35] We're not gonna [00:24:50] I will look at the messages in 4.5 hours and fix up what needs fixing [00:24:58] But I still need to sleep, leaving very soon now [00:25:09] ok [00:25:14] get some sleep [01:36:23] OHAI [01:36:37] WHASSUP [01:37:00] I hear thar's a party later on [01:39:34] WHOO HOO [01:53:42] o_O [01:53:52] what time is the switch over? 0530? (UTC) [01:59:38] in 3.5 hours I believe [02:03:47] cool thanks [02:08:14] 9:30 PST is when people are gathering, afaik. [04:40:11] :D [04:40:24] huh? [04:40:36] just saying hello [04:41:14] hello [04:41:22] thought I missed the joke! :-) [04:47:09] hi all [04:47:54] yo [04:49:02] hey pdhanda [05:02:54] hi guys [05:22:04] we're in in the private channel [05:24:24] i prefer we converse the deployment here [05:24:33] as UX ambassadors are here [05:24:48] OK so [05:24:51] I just woke up [05:25:01] And I gotta get breakfast and stuff, be back in 5-10 mins [05:25:41] have you guys started a etherpad? [05:26:20] I have one, lemme dig it up [05:26:23] k [05:26:27] we can talk here [05:26:40] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/VectorDeploymentTop9 [05:27:39] good morning mark :-) [05:27:47] good evening naoko! :) [05:29:21] how did the election go? [05:30:26] we won [05:31:33] congrats, bastique! [05:31:48] i was also asking about the election in netherlands [05:32:17] bastique: thanks for being available tonight [05:32:23] :) [05:33:02] ehh [05:33:07] haven't checked the end results yet ;) [05:33:10] will do in a bit [05:33:33] *TrevorParscal is standing by, ready to go [05:34:53] does anyone have a list of language codes handy? [05:35:05] I'm also in the French channels [05:35:47] es, ru, pl, pt, de, nl, fr, ja, and... [05:35:53] Crap, it looks like my candidate lost by 1 seat [05:36:01] 20.3% to 19.7% or something like hthat [05:36:09] it [05:38:13] OK let's go [05:38:46] I have some stuff to do know [05:38:57] I need to poke at the localized screenshots [05:39:15] And look at SVN to see what happened in the 4 hours I slept [05:45:11] Someone: what's the mapping between the old and the new image names? I'm looking at a language (pl) that wasn't translated [05:46:16] Having this problem in pl, pt and pt-br [05:47:16] i put the links to image files in the etherpad [05:47:25] where is etherpad? [05:47:28] would that help? [05:47:39] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/VectorDeploymentTop9 [05:47:44] thanks [05:48:22] There's no pt-br logo [05:48:38] I'm talking about the screenshots here [05:49:19] RoanKattouw: brandon placed the image here in commons [05:49:20] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/VectorDeploymentTop9 [05:49:23] ah [05:49:25] sorry [05:49:29] I know where the images are [05:49:42] It's just that pl and pt have the old translations and use the old images with the old captions [05:49:46] How do they map to the new ones? [05:50:43] i thought we were going to overwrite on the same links [05:50:45] TrevorParscal: Looks like your [[{{MediaWiki:Foo}}]] change never made its way into SVN [05:50:47] ? [05:50:59] nkomura: Well the names are different at least [05:51:16] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VectorEditorBasic-pt.png [05:51:24] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VectorEditorBasic-pl.png [05:51:43] that pt one is awful with that warning box [05:51:56] RoanKattouw: that's because I never did it [05:52:26] bastique: I agree [05:52:32] we can just override {{MediaWiki:prefswitch-feedbackpage [05:52:43] bastique: Adn that is equivalent to which one of: UsabilityNavigation.png, UsabilityToolbar.png, UsabilityDialogs.png [05:52:45] *{{MediaWiki:prefswitch-feedbackpage}} [05:52:51] i debated leaving out the warning box on the pt file but decided to leave it in because it was common on every edit box i found. [05:52:54] TrevorParscal: And fail when used language != site language [05:53:13] Toolbar [05:53:13] jorm: Perhaps you know [05:53:24] it's the equivalent of toolbar. [05:53:27] So exactly which new images are equivalent to which old images? [05:53:38] So EditorBasic -> Toolbar, thanks [05:54:02] VectorEditorBasic = toolbar; VectorNavigation = UsabilityNavigation. [05:54:07] right. [05:54:17] I updated Etherpad [05:54:54] Thanks [05:55:04] can we not use the toolbar image with the warning message? [05:55:39] Do we have pt-br screenshots? [05:55:42] i'll have to cut a new one. [05:55:44] jorm, can you copy a page that isn really big for the pt screenshot? [05:55:57] i didn't want to change how pt people see it. [05:55:58] jorm: Just overwrite the existing ones in place then [05:56:05] i will; i just can't do it right now. [05:56:09] tomorrow am early? [05:56:11] But most pages won't have hat size warning. [05:56:14] that [05:56:29] oh; you want the size warning, not the red "YOU ARE EDITING A REAL PAGE" warning. [05:56:39] Yes [05:56:46] there's one of the images that have a big fat red thing, and two that have a "page size" warning. [05:56:47] jorm: we will just link to english image for now [05:56:48] k. [05:57:00] good morning [05:57:13] Although I'm not certain about that article warning... [05:57:22] well, go ahead and link to the language one, and i'll put in better images early tomorrow. i'll get in around 8:30 or so maybe and do it then. [05:57:49] i forget which one has the big fat red warning. pt? nl? one of. [05:57:54] pt [05:58:18] nkomura: So do we do what jorm said and use this one until he fixes it, or do we use the English one instead? [05:58:26] (And which image is this about?) [05:58:34] RoanKattouw: you mean, we need to make the MediaWiki:Something message contain the whole link, not just the name of the target page [05:58:41] ? [05:58:43] i'll fix it in less than 12 hours. [05:58:46] if that's acceptable. [05:58:52] RoanKattouw, no, use that one [05:59:05] TrevorParscal: Oh wait, never mind, I forgot that overrides are strong [05:59:06] not the English one. It's just we should not have size warnings. [05:59:12] right... [05:59:14] OK so the pt one [05:59:57] RoanKattouw: to english please [06:00:07] GerardM-: good morning! [06:00:13] OK [06:00:35] k. can someone send me an email with which files need to be recut and i'll fix them asap? [06:01:25] jorm: I will [06:01:47] Sorry to interrupt, I need to leave for 15 minutes or so. Friend is having seizures, driving over to keep an eye on him. [06:02:32] omg [06:02:33] priyanka is so kind ... [06:02:40] that sounds pretty dramatic [06:02:41] it sounded really bad [06:03:10] yep [06:03:17] *mark gets more coffee [06:03:37] What's Spanish for (enlarge) ? They didn't translate that [06:04:59] *nkomura goes to google translate [06:05:43] ampliar [06:05:54] enlarge -> ampliar [06:06:07] hopefully that doesn't end up being a machine translation fail [06:06:17] Thanks [06:06:29] It sounds like amplify [06:06:32] Close enough IMO [06:06:36] hehe [06:06:43] Oh mdale is here [06:06:55] I was kinda hoping one of you Californians would just know [06:07:09] I think amplify works too :) [06:07:29] ampliar I mean [06:08:06] OK I think I have to tweak maybe one or two translations and I'll be done [06:10:06] Hmph we have no Japanese translation [06:10:10] good morning, are you planning to enable the new stuff today? [06:10:11] Looks like Italian didn't make it either [06:10:14] Yes [06:10:18] Really soon now [06:10:27] Leinad, we expect so. [06:10:29] Gonna fix up ja and it by hand [06:10:50] RoanKattouw: i would do japanese, but i don't know how to navigate translate.net [06:11:00] ok [06:11:16] Hm [06:11:23] if RoanKattouw or GerardM- can give me the direct link to the strings to be translated [06:11:26] i can help [06:11:57] nkomura: I'll deploy first then give you an on-jawiki link to translate stuff, OK? [06:12:09] sounds good! [06:12:37] nkomura: Sanity check: this is the feedback sentence, right? ご意見をぜひお寄せください。私たちの[[$1|フィードバック専用ページ]]をぜひご覧ください。", [06:12:57] damn. none of my friends are having seizures. [06:13:17] stupid monospace font for Xchat. [06:13:19] jorm: do you have cats? just as good [06:13:26] I can't read the unicode [06:13:27] RoanKattouw: right [06:13:28] really, i've just had too much to drink this evening and don't want to be cutting stuff. else i'd do it now. [06:13:40] i have one. and she's puked FOUR TIMES this evening. [06:13:48] but puking != seizures, so, you know. [06:13:52] cats are good [06:13:54] it may need a little tweak, but generally OK [06:13:59] that's it, your cat is cut off for the night [06:14:06] I have two but neither of them are puking [06:14:10] hope I didnt junx it [06:14:19] my dog spit up this morning [06:14:22] clementine has always been pukey. [06:14:30] miaow [06:14:51] and he pooped in the house. [06:14:53] *nkomura loves the puke talk [06:17:03] nimish_g: what does it say in the blue box in this image? [06:17:04] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VectorEditorBasic-de.png [06:18:09] nkomura: "you're editing this site without logging in. when you save your current IP address will be visible etc etc" [06:18:25] that's in the red box? [06:18:32] that's in the blue box [06:18:41] blue box for german [06:18:42] "We love you and care about your privacy" [06:18:45] OK translating is done [06:19:11] Maybe you can get a logged in screenshot [06:19:23] jorm: most of navigation screenshots have the central notice about tonight's release [06:19:52] jorm: who's Jessica Tandy? [06:19:58] Old actress [06:20:00] Dead old actress [06:20:04] Driving Miss Daisy [06:20:06] so when you have time, will you grab one by dismissing it? [06:20:13] TrevorParscal: " * Override prefswitch-feedbackpage message locally" --> was that done? [06:20:46] Where? [06:20:55] it needs to be done on each wiki [06:20:56] Etherpad [06:21:04] Yes [06:21:15] it's not done yet [06:21:16] So was that done or not? If not, someone needs to get on with it [06:21:31] you should watch Driving Miss Daisy. [06:21:38] where's that page with the list of links? [06:21:42] I picked her because I knew she was ENTIRELY unoffensive. [06:22:07] and not the german equivalent of Jeffery Dahmer. [06:22:24] RoanKattouw or TrevorParscal can you send the etherpad link? [06:22:33] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/VectorDeploymentTop9 [06:23:01] ooh! [06:23:20] you know, once these things are deployed, getting good screenshots will be SO much easier. [06:23:29] OK let's get rolling [06:23:35] since, you know. i can log into the sites and such. [06:23:44] mark: Sorry to keep you waiting for so long, gonna change the config any time now [06:23:49] cool [06:24:09] RoanKattouw: i found one show-stopper screenshot for spanish [06:24:22] oop. [06:24:26] which one? [06:24:33] will you link the usability navigation image to english? [06:24:37] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VectorNavigation-es.png [06:24:41] it has beta logo [06:24:52] we still need to set MediaWiki:prefswitch-feedbackpage to be the name of the feedback page on each wiki [06:24:56] including english [06:25:10] Yes [06:25:13] see, i was never sure if the screenshots were showing stuff that was included because they were different wikis, or if it was stuff that was broken because of a situation, and took the road of "this is the most common response" [06:25:16] jorm: you can log in to these things already [06:25:31] things = wikis, sorry [06:25:49] OH! The beta logo thing was a problem. i had already known that they needed replacement due to that. [06:25:56] I set it for english [06:25:58] Mexico City just had their second Wikimeetup :) [06:26:02] jorm: Could you fix that up quickly? [06:26:10] define "quickly" [06:26:17] and which site? [06:26:31] es [06:26:44] As in 10-15 mins [06:26:48] which file? [06:27:05] jorm: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VectorNavigation-es.png [06:27:07] where's that page that has all the links for each language we are releasing to? [06:27:34] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/Default_Switch [06:27:37] sec. [06:27:40] are you talking about this one? [06:28:11] i'm capturing relevant links in etherpad too [06:28:16] OK attention all: I am going to deploy the software updates now. This should've really been done yesterday, but oh well [06:28:27] This means no wikis are being switched over yet [06:28:38] But we're updating the software that's default on en+commons and Beta everywhere else [06:28:56] wow. that was a seriously pain in the ass. [06:29:06] excellent (I thought we did that this morning) [06:29:18] standard navigation? [06:29:31] nkomura: yes, thankyou [06:30:00] What's our eta on rollout time for Top 9? [06:30:53] pdhanda, how is your friend? [06:30:55] Should be 10-20 mins I think [06:31:58] *Philippe waves [06:32:05] Crap I have 1% battery and my power adapter is being difficult [06:32:17] enwp layout completely broken for me right now [06:32:19] ummm... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portada?useskin=vector [06:32:21] he is doing ok… a little confused [06:32:30] vector fail on es [06:32:34] RoanKattouw: quick! give me your passwords for everything before your battery dies =) [06:32:45] Vector is a bit messed up on strategy [06:32:56] messed up everywhere it seems :p [06:33:07] werdna: did you bust my wiki? [06:33:08] cut it out [06:33:12] nope, that was Roan [06:33:17] I am unable to edit that file. [06:33:22] RoanKattouw: are you on it, or shall I revert the deployment? [06:33:24] unbust it. [06:33:26] I'm on it [06:33:31] oh. yeah, that's busted. [06:33:34] So someone needs to give me powers or i can send them a version of the screen shot. [06:33:45] http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/testing?action=purge [06:33:48] that's much nicer than it was [06:33:55] erm, maybe I should have mentioned it somewhere strategic [06:34:07] oh, pretty, werdna. shiny. i like colors. [06:34:50] enwiki looks ok to me [06:34:53] it came back [06:35:22] werdna: That's what you get when I update .php files but don't change the style version to pull in new CSS [06:35:34] Such intermediate steps happen pretty much always [06:35:51] I just took longer to bump because of my bent power plug [06:36:07] Someone beat me to these MediaWiki:Prefswitch-feedbackpage settings? [06:36:15] good morning [06:36:16] Commons is all funky now. [06:36:23] Roan, anyone, I need VectorNavigation-es.png to be opened, or I need someone to take a version of the page. [06:36:24] TrevorParscal: Not necessarily. Look at the history to be sure [06:36:25] Church_of_emacs_: good morning [06:36:31] bastique: Should be temporary, please refresh [06:36:45] I can't or I'll lose my change [06:36:51] RoanKattouw: ah! [06:36:53] good call [06:36:59] those were the software messages [06:36:59] use a shortcut key :) [06:37:06] bastique: Copypaste [06:37:08] bastique give me the link and [06:37:11] I'll check it [06:37:19] so. excite. [06:37:33] RoanKattouw, I'm uploading, a number of fields are filled out. [06:37:52] *nkomura is happing seeing the feedback section for anons [06:38:11] hrm. actually, the vector skin on es is totally broken. [06:38:22] Link? [06:38:27] i am looking at my new screenshot and it's not good. at all. [06:38:34] help: commons is still busted [06:38:37] looks okay on mine [06:38:40] It was broken for a few minutes just now [06:38:44] Gonna take a look for myself [06:38:53] I don't see anything weird on commons [06:38:53] never mind [06:38:55] I hope the broken pages didn't make it into Squid cacehe [06:38:59] wait. wtf? it was weird if i ?useskin=vector; but fine if i dropped that. [06:39:01] commons ALSO looks okay on mac... OSX Chrome, Firefox [06:39:03] refresh five times did it [06:39:09] ok [06:39:15] purge fixed [06:39:21] now seems fine. [06:39:37] mark: Does Squid allow you to purge pages that were put in cache during a given timeframe? [06:41:14] Looks great [06:41:50] RoanKattouw: with some scripting, yes [06:42:02] did we not do de? sorry if it's a stupid question. [06:42:03] That would be nice [06:42:07] I have uploaded a new version of VectorNavigation-es.png [06:42:14] ok, all MediaWiki:prefswitch-feedbackpag [06:42:18] links are in palce [06:42:25] mark: Could you look at the SAL and purge everything between my scap and my last sync-file? [06:42:31] Philippe: the config switch hasn't started yet [06:42:35] okies [06:42:38] ignore me. [06:42:40] still finishing up sw updates [06:42:40] back to my oreos [06:42:43] Pages generated during that time were spectacularly broken [06:42:54] *nkomura wants oreos [06:42:58] SW updates should be done, now doing DB update for ClickTracking [06:43:11] *Philippe enjoys oreos [06:43:11] hm? [06:43:12] oreos? [06:43:17] what are we tracking? [06:43:24] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eyes_of_dragonfly_on_wood.jpg [06:43:37] Nimish said we want to track the left nav [06:43:42] I had a better one than that [06:43:47] can we turn that off? [06:43:48] can we not do that tonight? [06:43:54] it is performance hit [06:43:58] i have a bunch of chocolate chip cookies, but no oreos. [06:44:04] we should not do too many things all at once [06:44:22] rgree++ [06:44:29]