[01:48:12] *TrevorParscal is enjoying free wifi in the emergency room... [01:51:11] why are you in the emergency room? [01:57:04] jorm: my 8 month old split her head open [01:57:30] my wife is with her seeing the doctor, I'm watching my 3 year old... [01:57:32] and programming [01:57:37] holy crap! [01:57:52] is she alright? [01:58:09] yeah, she'll be ok [01:59:05] they are probably gluing their head together [02:12:12] TrevorParscal: yo dude [02:12:27] chat via code review got you down? [02:12:35] how's it going man? [02:12:41] got me all confused is what it got me [02:12:54] SO do we want them disabled or not? [02:12:54] i'm in the emergency room right now [02:13:09] we do NOT want the text to update as you arrow through the suggestions [02:13:12] why, and why are you on IRC in the emergency room? [02:13:13] that was very intentional [02:13:20] they have free wifi [02:13:24] how can I resist? [02:13:37] my 8 month old split her head open [02:13:51] my wife is with her seeing the doc... i'm watching cadence [02:13:56] who's being really good [02:13:57] ahh kids [02:13:59] so I get comp. time [02:14:28] so anyways, yes, I'm very sorry if I was unclear about this, i would never mean to waste your time [02:14:42] this has been decided by Parul, Howie and I, a while back [02:15:05] if we want to explore it again, based on some complaints / suggestions / etc.. we should do that with Howie and Parul's involvement [02:15:26] in the mean time, I'm just following the design as per our most recent discussion [02:16:06] how's your son btw? [02:16:24] good, sleeping. [02:16:36] thankfully it's been a long time since we've had an ER visit. i don't envy you [02:16:45] oh just turned 4 on friday too [02:16:57] i'm now the proud parent of a four year old [02:19:18] awesome [02:19:23] Cadence just turned 3 [02:20:20] ok gtg - we gotta get snacks [02:20:33] cyall! [11:43:00] Hello, I have a question on "full-text" searches using the Vector skin. [11:43:27] Old skins have two buttons for searches: "go" and "search", for title searches and full-text searches, respectively. [11:43:51] Vector hides its full-text search interface in its ajax suggestion menus. [11:44:36] How can I have it as a button, as on the old skins? In the Special:Preferences, or with some gadget? [11:46:15] I often use full-text searches. I have to wait for the ajax suggestion to have the full-text search interface. [14:45:18] o Hai [16:32:15] Does collapsible navigation not work in 1.16? [16:53:55] I was asked whether you could force a general cache purge of MediaWiki:Vector.css and MediaWiki:Vector.js on it.wiki, to update the skin with the lot of changes we've done in these days. [17:02:17] Marco27: Sorry, we can't purge those caches because they're on the client side, not the server side [17:02:31] Best we can do is change the style version but that's site-wide [17:03:28] RoanKattouw: Mmh, ok. [17:03:30] Thanks anyway :) [17:05:10] TrevorParscal: Are we having the usability meeting now? [17:15:14] Ryan_Lane: I'm not sure whether CollNav works in 1.16. I did get an e-mail from a guy who said it didn't, but I'm not aware of incompatibilities [17:15:39] Then again, we've never really cared much about compat with MW releases, only about compat with trunk and the deployed version on Wikipedia [17:18:28] Ryan_Lane_: Ryan_Lane: I'm not sure whether CollNav works in 1.16. I did get an e-mail from a guy who said it didn't, but I'm not aware of incompatibilitie [17:18:32] Then again, we've never really cared much about compat with MW releases, only about compat with trunk and the deployed version on Wikipedia [17:19:39] RoanKattouw: I'm trying it now, and getting no luck [17:19:53] RoanKattouw: I'm not getting javascript errors though [17:20:55] which is sad, cause this is the feature I wanted the most on upgrade :( [17:25:20] All the other features work, I guess that's a plus [18:00:54] RoanKattouw: i just tested the inserttools with IEtester. [18:01:09] hi Ryan_Lane [18:01:12] how's it going? [18:01:20] RoanKattouw: insertion and dialogs are fine now. Any complaints there are due to caching i'm guessing. [18:01:33] TrevorParscal: Read the chanlogs, did Aurora get out of the ER OK? [18:01:50] what remains is the random jumping around of the window position, and the random jump in insertion position at times. [18:01:56] yeah, she got 3 stiches [18:02:04] TrevorParscal: what did she do ? [18:02:30] i mean a friend of mine danced on a 3 legged table with his beer bottle in his hand in order to get to ER + 3 stitches :D [18:02:31] ColNav doesn't work in 1.16 because of the lack of mw- prefixes on HTML ids [18:02:57] TrevorParscal: Oh, of course *facepalm*. Maybe I should branch a REL1_16 version of UI that works properly [18:02:58] i was helping someone over email this morning with this very issue [18:03:13] I just suggested he run wmf-deployment [18:03:17] but sure, that would be cool too [18:04:13] I was also helping someone with e-mails about this today [18:04:31] Your guy's name better not be Thiago Vassalo [18:04:37] ha ha [18:04:41] of course it is! [18:04:57] *RoanKattouw slaps Thiago Vassalo [18:05:26] <^demon> And this is why I don't respond to offlist questions ;-) [18:05:45] hi ^demon [18:05:48] how's it going? [18:05:52] when are you coming to SF? [18:06:24] I wonder when I am coming to SF [18:06:28] *RoanKattouw sets out to poke Danese once more [18:06:36] *TrevorParscal begins poking [18:06:37] <^demon> Doing fine, no clue on when I'll be out there. [18:06:57] TrevorParscal: Thank you [18:12:09] adam_miller: I like your speed, you addressed my comments before I had caught up to HEAD [18:12:32] well it was an easy fix [18:14:34] TrevorParscal: Who is NK in the script^H resource loader speadsheet? I only know one person by those initials and that's Naoko, it seems unlikely she'd meddle in a project that only takes off after she leaves [18:22:37] Neil [18:23:33] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff#User_Experience_Programs [18:23:53] surely you recall meeting him [18:24:13] hmm, did you guys know that the headers for the Help section don't properly align with the content in IE7 ? [18:24:35] Oh right [18:24:41] Neil K, yeah [18:24:51] I've gotten used to NK === Naoko [18:25:22] yeah, but as you said, she would probably not have much input on this.. [18:25:36] Exactl [18:32:59] RoanKattouw: were you just looking at the diff for my last two commits, or did you look actually look at the suggestions code? [18:34:35] RoanKattouw: nevermind that question, i just saw something i missed before [18:44:25] Just the diff, FYI [18:46:12] adam_miller: OK that's not what I suggested but that works too [18:46:40] after reviewing the whole function, i didnt see a need for it anymore [18:54:32] TrevorParscal: hi. been away. I'm doing good. trying to figure out why collapsible navigation isn't working in 1.16 :) [18:54:47] i know why [18:54:51] ? [18:55:22] in 1.17 we prefixed most of the skin's HTML IDs with "mw-" [18:55:34] the latest version of CollapsibleNav looks for those IDs [18:55:50] so, if you are running 1.16, it never finds them [18:55:51] like #mw-panel? [18:55:53] yes [18:56:00] I tried changing that to #panel [18:56:07] where? [18:56:07] didn't seem to help :) [18:56:28] in CollapsibleNav.js [18:56:34] hmm [18:56:35] I set resource mode to raw [18:57:08] that doesn't make any sense [18:57:21] shift+refresh? [18:57:42] yeah, just checked javascript in web developer toolbar, and it shows correctly [18:59:30] wait. I may be breaking something with my custom js [19:00:55] or not [19:01:11] hmm [19:01:26] why are you running 1.16 instead of deployment? [19:01:40] This is at my day job [19:01:49] just curious :) [19:01:59] yeah. otherwise i'd be running deployment :) [19:02:06] right [19:02:39] <^demon> Real men don't use deployments or stable branches, they run trunk. [19:02:49] yeah... [19:03:05] ^demon: that's what I have on my personal prototypes, and they are constantly broken ;) [19:03:18] and they compile PHP and MySQL from source [19:03:21] manually! [19:03:29] TrevorParscal: I did that the other day [19:03:35] and they kill stuff with guns... [19:03:35] *Ryan_Lane_ *hates* apple [19:03:38] (to far?) [19:03:57] yeah, Apple really doesn't seem to understand web-developers needs [19:04:04] seriously, snow leopard has a broken php AND a broken libxml [19:04:10] s/web-// [19:04:24] Nimish's Mac didn't have make installed [19:04:26] they have iWeb and some disabled by default PHP install which isn't the latest version [19:04:58] i ended up going with MAMP [19:05:10] RoanKattouw: well, he didn't install the developer tools [19:05:30] which explained why he wasn't minifying and combining files on each commit... he didn't even have make.. [19:07:18] <^demon> Osx 10.5 bundled php4, iirc. [19:07:38] hmm.. i think it was php5.1 [19:07:54] 10.6 has 5.3.1 - which is incompatible with MW [19:07:56] TrevorParscal: well, the classes are being added to the divs now. It still isn't working. I wonder if I'm somehow missing the css... [19:08:17] you sure you caught all references to #panel ? [19:08:44] do they exist in places other than that one js? [19:08:59] no [19:09:08] I got all of them there [19:09:31] which explains why the classes are being added to the html [19:09:37] the CSS [19:09:44] it's also specific to #panel [19:09:46] <^demon> TrevorParscal: 5.3.1 is *very* broken...the ref bug is nasty and probably affects a lot more stuff than it got attention for. [19:09:50] ah. i see [19:10:05] ^demon: yes, it's evil [19:12:33] TrevorParscal: now it's working [19:12:37] TrevorParscal: thanks [19:12:45] n/p [19:13:19] thanks for spreading the love of CollapsibleNav [19:13:39] TrevorParscal: that was the feature I wanted the most from the upgrade ;)( [19:13:41] err ;) [19:13:52] note, there's a new version [19:14:05] my sidebar at work is our of control since everyone wants crap in it [19:14:18] I saw an option for it. what's it do? [19:14:28] that cleverly shows interwiki links in a non-collapsible area, until there's more than 8, and then it shows 5 and collapses the rest [19:14:36] do you use interwiki? [19:14:49] Ah, yeah, like en-wiki is doing now [19:14:50] nope [19:14:56] english only here. [19:15:02] only one wiki, for now [19:15:15] then that won't affect you [19:15:19] you can leave it alone [19:15:41] expandable search is doing weird things in IE for me :) [19:15:56] which version? [19:16:05] IE 7 [19:16:37] *TrevorParscal looks [19:17:30] Yes, I knew about that [19:17:42] adam_miller: I sent you a screenshot once of how ExpandableSearch is messed up in IE7 [19:18:01] this is the makes it's own line thing? [19:18:26] waiting for it..... [19:18:47] expands all the way to the edge of the screen [19:19:21] oh past tense...i'm having a hard time reading as of late :) [19:19:38] it wasn't a screenshot of it extending the whole way to the edge of the screen [19:21:36] just so you guys know, I just went to search for something on mediawiki.org, and got confused when the search box wasn't in the top right ;) [19:22:11] other people get confused since they expect it at the sidebar [19:22:43] Ryan_Lane: i...thanks for the reminder. [19:22:54] * i see it [19:22:56] Platonides: I know, I've been on those email chains. Thought it was funny that I'm more used to the top right now. [19:23:54] adam_miller: n/p [19:25:28] adam_miller: Sorry that was days ago, possibly more than a week [19:25:49] RoanKattouw: i found it, looks like it's the same thing Ryan_Lane_ is reporting [19:26:02] Yes [19:27:16] I found IE6 of ies4linux crashing on wikipedia when jquery is loaded [19:27:44] I don't know if it's due to wine but that didn't look good :( [19:30:17] wow, expandable search in IE7... ouch [19:30:33] almost as painful as the fact that it took me THAT long to get IE7 running [19:30:53] TrevorParscal: :) [19:31:04] TrevorParscal: I'm forced into IE 7 :( [19:31:59] RoanKattouw: so, we need a Resource Loader plan... soon [19:32:03] like today or tomorrow [19:32:09] given it's nearly bedtime for you... [19:32:13] I'm thinking tomorrow [19:32:20] OK, so tomorrow [19:32:39] but, as for you inputing Tim's requirements, .... thoughts? [19:33:08] Haven't looked at any of it yet [19:33:18] I will have time for this tomorrow before you wake up [19:33:30] awesome [19:33:40] then we can make a plan [20:04:23] Platonides: your script is changing style versions of things that didn't change... [20:04:25] hmm [20:05:42] are the modification times sensible? [20:05:46] adam_miller_away: r68103 [20:06:01] Platonides: they were done with SVN up... [20:06:04] as usual [20:06:11] TrevorParscal: ? [20:06:27] adam_miller_away: I blacklisted IE < 8 for now [20:06:32] Maybe it should use svn status to detect what has changed [20:06:46] you might want to comment that out when trying to make it work in IE 6/7 [20:06:52] for expanded search? [20:06:57] yes [20:07:20] ok i got IE7 fixed, havent committed it yet because it breaks other browsers :) [20:07:23] i also turned it off in mobile browsers [20:07:31] nice [20:07:31] apparently you can't float something left and then float it's sibling right [20:07:43] yes, that's true [20:07:48] which sucks [20:08:07] i ran into this trying to do the RTL implementation for Vector's personal tools menu (links in the top right) [20:08:21] for this reason, Vector actually outputs it's menus backwards for RTL [20:08:41] in modern browsers you can just reverse all the floating and it works [20:09:14] in IE 6/7... well, microsoft screws you over... [20:09:28] much less 5.5 [20:09:43] i tried 5.5 today with IETester btw. [20:09:46] and that's how I got RTL to work in 5.5 - by reversing the output of lists in RTL [20:09:48] that's probably the bug reported in foundation-l [20:09:51] wasn't even that bad. just a lot of JS errors. [20:10:12] yeah, we need to take a look at those sometime [20:10:31] if you have no plugins turned on (Vector plugins that is) it's error free i think [20:34:23] TrevorParscal: what's the stuff I'm to be working on with parutron that was discussed on the call today? [20:34:57] hi adam_miller_away [20:34:59] long time no see [20:35:00] what's up? [20:35:02] hey! [20:35:06] how are you? [20:35:12] TrevorParscal: Also, was anything of interest to me discussed in the first 45 mins that I missed? Anything else I need to be working on other than RL? [20:35:13] oh....hold on here [20:35:18] thats better [20:35:26] i'm good, you? [20:35:38] excellent. [20:35:43] loved your pictures from your most recent european tour [20:35:51] especially the volcano stuff [20:36:20] it was amazzzzzzzzzzing [20:36:32] parutron: Where'd you go? I seem to recall it was Iceland [20:36:33] i feel like i've been marketing iceland ever since [20:36:38] Right :P [20:36:41] denmark, uk, iceland. [20:36:56] speaking of travels, will i be seeing both of you in gdansk? [20:37:18] You'll see mee [20:37:20] -e [20:37:29] rad. [20:37:34] not me [20:37:52] In fact, you should have an e-mail from James Owen to travel-l with a PDF listing all attendees, their hotels and arr+dept dates [20:37:54] i had a quick question for you roan.......is there some place i can point people if they want to add their special chars to the special chars menu [20:38:03] trying to help the team by responding to some of our feedback [20:38:04] Yes, to me [20:38:16] adam_miller, are you coming to SF again anytime soon? [20:38:16] Through Bugzilla or e-mail [20:38:21] maybe when we're all at Wikimania ;) [20:38:23] tee hee [20:38:25] just kidding [20:38:33] i'm thinking august [20:38:41] When in August? [20:38:57] tee hee? [20:39:09] haven't settled the dates yet [20:39:13] are you there in august roan? [20:39:40] Hopefully yes [20:39:44] Last week of Aug + first week of Sep [20:40:08] Another weird bug in MW 1.16: Error: context.$ui.find(".wikiEditor-ui-right").resizable is not a function Source File: https://navoweb.navo.navy.mil/sandbox/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins.combined.min.js?269 Line: 381 [20:41:19] I think I might be there earlier than you RoanKattouw [20:41:23] when clicking on advanced, special characters, and help. menu expands, but can't un-expand [20:41:46] i've got something on the 28th of august i need to be in Pittsburgh for [20:42:06] ah. $ui is undefined when the page is loaded. [20:42:46] err $.ui anyway [20:43:47] Ryan_Lane_: Try disabling NTOC? [20:44:08] Oh crap please tell me the toolbar doesn't use jQuery UI resizable [20:44:15] it does [20:44:31] Well NTOC does at least [20:44:39] What's the line number + file of that error? [20:44:51] gimme a sec. lemme swtich to raw resource mode [20:45:03] adam_miller: I'm looking to come in on the 22nd, provided Danese will stop being in meetings all the time and start responding to me [20:45:13] RoanKattouw: Notice that this is specifically a MW 1.16 error, as far as I can tell. [20:46:12] Hmmmmm [20:46:19] You're running MW 1.16 with UI trunk? [20:46:39] Maybe I should just branch the pre-ID-rename version and be done with it [20:46:48] Although Platonides backported something that smelled of ID rename [20:47:08] Is ui not included with 1.16? [20:47:24] It should be [20:47:27] Error: $.ui is undefined Source File: https://navoweb.navo.navy.mil/sandbox/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins/jquery.wikiEditor.toc.js?269 Line: 648 [20:47:35] Ah there you go [20:47:40] Wait [20:47:42] Error: context.$ui.find(".wikiEditor-ui-right").resizable is not a function Source File: https://navoweb.navo.navy.mil/sandbox/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins/jquery.wikiEditor.toc.js?269 Line: 73 [20:47:50] Are you absolutely sure you're running latest trunk? [20:47:53] OH wait [20:47:58] This is the NTOC error [20:48:07] Make sure you're running latest trunk AND disable NTOC [20:48:17] argh, I'm on the en-wiki version [20:48:18] gimme a sec [20:48:45] Oh, deployment [20:48:56] Yeah I didn't bother fixing the TOC there because it doesn't run on production anyway [20:49:49] Yep. Disabling NTOC fixed the issue