[14:49:26] RoanKattouw: that code i just committed is broken [14:49:55] just an FYI as I assume you'd probably be letting me know in a second or two [14:50:53] Actually I'd OKed it [14:51:03] Note to self: don't review code while watching a close tennis match [14:52:12] adam_miller: I seriously can't see how this code is broken [14:52:24] invalid 'in' operand matchTextCache[text] [14:52:47] Ah, of course [14:52:49] if ( !( text in cache ) ) { [14:52:50] cache[text] = {}; [14:52:52] } [14:53:06] You need to vary that for cache vs. matchTextCache as well [14:55:21] yeah, just committed it. should be good now [15:01:00] Yup, looks good [15:10:23] RoanKattouw: think i should change that to if ( options.matchText && !( text in matchTextCache ) ) { ? [15:11:12] Yeah you should do it conditionally [16:36:35] howdy [16:38:40] Back for real now I hope :( [16:40:32] we hope [16:40:52] Firefox got into an infinite loop again [16:43:13] so *that's* why the animal in the firefox logo looks like it's trying to catch its own tail [16:45:13] haha [16:47:08] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bastique/4718993624/ [16:47:41] waht's it supposed to be? an alien? [16:49:17] Cthuhlu [17:41:55] That which is not dead can eternal lie, for in strange aeons, even death may die. [19:52:59] Eloquence / howief: Okay, the issue with the links for the Trans/Bug Help CN has been resolved. I think there are a few new translations and updates to existing ones that I still need to add into the CN system though. Have we gone live with the notice yet? [19:53:42] thanks - no, we're not live yet [19:53:59] okay, cool. [19:54:11] *AlexZ_ goes to add the last few in [20:28:58] Eloquence, done. We should be okay to go live with the CN at this point I think. Unless there are any other issues or we're waiting on something else. :) [20:29:16] ping howief [20:29:28] hey [20:29:48] nimish_g: is there any reason we shouldn't go live with the CN? [20:29:54] is trans/bug help cn already turned on? [20:30:02] no [20:30:15] oh, then ok [20:30:18] Eloquence and howief, I'm still coding it to only show up on the wikipedias [20:30:19] wait [20:30:30] I'm coding it to only show up on the wikipedias for logged in users [20:30:39] that haven't been switched over yet [20:30:41] howief / AlexZ_: I'm assuming we're running it for logged in users only? [20:30:42] ok [20:30:51] Eloquence: we will be in a sec [20:30:55] sure, anonymouses can't set Vector [20:31:29] nimish_g: we're running on non-WP projects as well, though, right? [20:31:46] Eloquence, I was assuming that as well... but I haven't taken a look at the code for the notice. [20:32:27] Do we know what the last one was set to? [20:32:46] Since it was cloned from it... the settings were prolly copied over. [20:33:42] AlexZ_: which notice are you looking at? [20:33:46] *Eloquence removes draft notices from meta pages [20:33:52] rather, which template [20:33:57] who added de: to the Phase 4 table? :D [20:34:02] http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/Default_Switch#Phase_IV_Deployment [20:34:13] wizardist: good to have de for non-WP german language projects [20:34:14] nimish_g, http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=VectorNewLook_phase3 [20:34:41] Eloquence: ah... reasonable [20:35:26] anyone want to take a crack at a final vet/copyedit of the meta pages? [20:35:26] hm, ok, that one was displayed for everybody I thought. let's fix that [20:35:42] k [20:35:47] Eloquence: i can [20:36:08] howief: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_design_and_feature_change - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_design_and_feature_change/Bug_reports - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_design_and_feature_change/Feedback [20:36:15] thanks [20:36:36] (aaak - so many words. . .) [20:37:45] Okay. I'm gonna go grab some lunch real quick... should be back in a few minutes. Ping me if you need something. [20:37:55] thanks alex [20:38:02] np :) [20:55:16] cary ! [20:57:27] 42 ~! [20:57:30] AlexZ_: , nimish_g , Eloquence : i think the meta pages look good [20:57:59] great [20:58:02] ideally we'd have a more easily parseable layout for the landing page, but at this point, we should just get it tout [20:58:03] out [20:58:16] i've added a screenshot of the "try beta" link [20:58:41] it links off the page -- not the best solution, but it gets the job done [20:58:44] works [20:58:45] back. I think AlexZ_ died. :( [20:58:49] nimish_g: ready to go when you are [20:59:53] why do we have German and English again? [21:00:15] cary: non-wp projects in those languages [21:00:34] ahhhhh [21:00:36] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: [21:00:37] we're running the general call for help everywhere now to find problems with wikisource etc. as well [21:00:42] cary http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo_wpstyle_redrawn.png & http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary-logo_wpstyle_redrawn.svg [21:00:52] _wizardist_: yeah? :) [21:00:54] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: URGENT! move be-x-old translations to be-tarask! [21:00:59] okay [21:01:02] <_wizardist_> be-x-old is just a fallback varian [21:01:11] doing it now [21:01:12] <_wizardist_> be-tarask is used [21:01:16] <_wizardist_> ok. thanks) [21:01:34] hmmm [21:01:43] Eloquence: ok just checking what time it is UTC right now (centralnotice is all UTC based) [21:01:57] 9PM [21:02:14] or 2100 [21:02:28] cary do you have the big ultimate great idea for the left page ? [21:02:41] Otourly, not in the least. [21:03:56] _wizardist_: done [21:04:04] <_wizardist_> ok, thanks) [21:14:48] <_wizardist_> who has made logo labels for new versions? [21:15:19] <_wizardist_> there is a mistake: labels for bewiki where taken from be-x-oldwiki [21:15:49] <_wizardist_> anyway they will be switched during the next phase, but the logo should be corrected [21:46:35] nimish_g: eek, we're using "Wikipedia" instead of {{SITENAME}} [21:47:56] ...are you sure? I thought I fixed that.. [21:48:57] Eloquence: where are you seeing it as wikipedia as opposed to {{sitename}}? [21:49:51] I see it on Meta. [21:49:58] Wikimedia's getting a new look [21:50:12] right, and wikibooks says "wikibooks" [21:50:20] hmm [21:50:22] That's what we wanted, no? [21:50:24] looked at de.wikinews.org [21:50:27] it says wikipedia [21:50:33] maybe that's specific to that translation [21:50:39] _wizardist_: what is the difference between be and be-x-old in terms of the logo? The text on meta is exactly the same. [21:51:07] They both say: Вікіпэдыя Вольная энцыкляпэдыя [21:51:21] actually I get it in other wikinews languages as well [21:51:30] same in wikisource [21:51:38] Eloquence: aah, I think it's that the translations also say "Wikipedia" instead of {{SITENAME}}...only changed it to {{SITENAME}} earlier today, so all the nonenglish languages need to be updated... [21:51:49] <_wizardist_> bastique: give the link to meta, I will fix it [21:51:59] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_other_languages [21:52:01] nimish_g: ahhhh. :P [21:52:06] No one told me [21:52:15] <_wizardist_> bastique: bewiki has Вікіпедыя Свабодная энцыклапедыя [21:52:26] we'll need to quickly update them before the wikinewsies invade san francisco :) [21:52:32] heh [21:52:37] I'm working on it now. [21:53:22] Got a complaint about a JS error in IE8 in the CentralNotice on hewiki [21:53:34] an army of angry wikinewsies is exactly why we need to take over the Bell building and make it the Wikimedia Fortress [21:54:23] lol [21:54:30] AlexZ_: once we have them updated tomaszf can do a quick cache purge [21:54:41] Eloquence: okay [21:55:00] <_wizardist_> guillom: and strange things at commons are held: logo for bewiki is actually the be-x-oldwiki logo, and be-x-oldwiki (be-tarask) logo redirects to bewiki [21:55:18] I think that was for cary [21:55:36] I'm not touching the new logo with a 10-meter pole :) [21:55:59] AlexZ_: thaks [21:56:02] *thanks [21:56:30] <_wizardist_> guillom: why exactly ten? :) [21:56:32] np. I just hope I'm putting it in the right places on some of these langs :P [21:56:37] kinda hard to tell [21:56:46] <_wizardist_> 42 is good for everything [21:58:31] I know I can't update fa. [21:59:05] nimish_g: AlexZ_ : have you seen this: [21:59:06] http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الصفحة_الرئيسية [22:00:08] <_wizardist_> :) [22:00:18] RTL will do that =\ [22:01:20] <_wizardist_> wow, CN na glagne!!1111 [22:01:31] it looks pretty silly, and it'll also look kind of weird if there's a cyrillic-based language and it says "Вікіпэдыя's getting a new look" [22:01:43] <_wizardist_> nimish_g: we are good [22:01:48] <_wizardist_> http://be-x-old.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [22:01:51] <_wizardist_> :) [22:02:24] _wizardist_: cool =) [22:03:19] <_wizardist_> but a buddy reports a problem [22:03:22] <_wizardist_> wait a minute [22:04:45] <_wizardist_> nimish_g: really, purged the page [22:04:51] <_wizardist_> Wikipedia зьмяняе свой выгляд.Дапамажыце знайсьці памылкі і скончыць пераклад інтэрфэйсу. [22:05:08] <_wizardist_> maybe just change {{SITENAME}} to Вікіпэдыя? [22:06:08] I think centralnotice refreshes once every 15 min, so it takes about 15 min for changes to take effect [22:06:51] nimish_g: are we ready to push an update? [22:06:58] we don't have to wait for the cronjob [22:07:28] Eloquence: all updated with the exception of fa, ka, ko, ml, zh, yue and ja. [22:07:42] I need to see what Wikipedia is in thoes langs, first. [22:08:21] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: if the CN is generated at meta, usability, etc. it can't be helped [22:08:29] ping tomaszf [22:08:36] <_wizardist_> it's the same as {{PLURAL}} at commons which only acts like in enwiki [22:10:00] I know we used {{SITENAME}} during the fundraiser and it was okay. I just don't have time to fix the issues with it right now. [22:10:34] wikinews should be happier now :) [22:10:44] hehe [22:10:53] <_wizardist_> ) [22:11:29] AlexZ_: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_logo_in_each_language is a good page for reference [22:11:35] it has the name in various languages [22:11:49] Eloquence: ooh.. thanks! [22:11:56] _wizardist_: belorussian logo updated. [22:12:23] AlexZ_: it won't help you with the RTL entry .. that always confuses the hell out of me :) [22:12:51] <_wizardist_> LOL [22:12:56] yeah, but at least we'll get most of em' now. [22:13:07] <_wizardist_> 1) the central notice is shown in EVERY wiki [22:13:38] http://usability.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Az1568&diff=cur lol... thoughts? [22:13:43] <_wizardist_> i mean those who are in the Phase 5. or it's how it should be? [22:13:56] wizardist: we want to show it everywhere right now [22:14:05] this notice is basically a "Help us find bugs" notice [22:14:16] <_wizardist_> 2)in untranslated languages {{SITENAME}} is translated all right [22:14:22] so hopefully it'll get all the sister projects out of the woodwork to start yelling at us for breaking their gadgets :) [22:14:33] <_wizardist_> 3)why CN in commons? [22:14:44] O [22:14:52] (ignore) I'm not getting it on commons [22:15:14] wait, was not logged in [22:15:20] it definitely should not be running there [22:15:20] five minute cache timeout [22:15:28] <_wizardist_> yep. it was the first [22:15:33] nimish_g / AlexZ_ - can you disable the commons CN? [22:15:33] I thought it wasn't... [22:15:59] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: look at be.wikipedia.org. Вікіпедыя is the actual SITENAME and it's shown all right. Paradox. [22:18:01] Eloquence: done...not sure how commons made it off the list originally...now we need to regenerate the notice [22:18:15] or just regenerate it for commons [22:18:16] _wizardist_: Heh, I don't know what to tell you at this point. I'm trying to to allot of things at once. [22:18:22] nimish_g: you know who to prod :) [22:18:54] <_wizardist_> we will be proud of you, AlexZ_ :D [22:19:02] Let me get the rest of these things done.. and we can look at fixing the way things look. :) [22:19:33] I should be able to use like a GRAMMAR tag [22:19:47] <_wizardist_> why? [22:20:03] it'll tweak how it looks. [22:20:10] like no 's [22:20:20] <_wizardist_> but it's not genetive... [22:21:24] when is de scheduled date for the next group of wiki's which will get vector als standard? [22:21:54] <_wizardist_> All other Wikimedia projects, target date: end of July [22:22:12] ok [22:22:16] we're targeting june 30 for the remaining language wikipedias, we'll confirm the date tomorrow in our planning meeting [22:22:21] and end of july for all remaining wikis [22:22:40] already working then on the translations I see [22:22:48] to be precise, end of june for reasonably localization-complete wikipedia editions with no critical blockers [22:24:07] <_wizardist_> who/what are critical blockers? [22:24:26] is it made clear to other languages how they can translate more of the systemmessages ? [22:24:38] _wizardist_: Bugs that mean the code absolutely can't be deployed in that language [22:24:40] AlexZ_: _wizardist_ : so are we going without the 's and using "is" instead? [22:24:55] E.g. if stuff totally blows up in right-to-left languages, we'd have to call off Arabic, Hebrew, etc. [22:25:03] <_wizardist_> howief: i think it's reasonable as for Wikibooks [22:25:28] yes, i think it simplifies things [22:25:31] <_wizardist_> but it's only English. other lang. commies should decide on their own [22:25:36] <_wizardist_> communities* [22:25:40] sure [22:28:11] _wizardist_: What I've done in the past is this {{#ifeq:{{SITENAME}}|Wikipedia|Вікіпэдыя|{{SITENAME}}}} [22:28:22] for be-x-old [22:29:00] Maybe be-x-old should just request their sitename be changed? [22:29:18] <_wizardist_> RoanKattouw: our sitename is good [22:29:22] <_wizardist_> and it's Вікіпэдыя [22:29:42] Shouldn't {{SITENAME}} return that then? [22:29:49] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: hope this will help [22:30:17] <_wizardist_> RoanKattouw: see now: untranslated CN are shown fine (local SITENAME). translated show enwiki SITENAME [22:30:30] Weird [22:30:36] <_wizardist_> it may be a bug of Central Notice extension [22:30:42] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-vo.svg makes me cry [22:30:44] And they do use {{SITENAME}}? That sounds like a bug in CentralNotic [22:31:34] <_wizardist_> translated? yes. untransalted? they use en as fallback [22:31:46] <_wizardist_> I suppose [22:34:59] howief: so are we changing {{SITENAME}}'s getting a new look... to {{SITENAME}} is getting a new look? [22:35:08] yes [22:35:27] Okay I'll change en to reflect that then. [22:35:35] great thanks! [22:41:20] howief: Eloquence are we ready to regenerate them? [22:41:47] looks good to me [22:41:55] i've been in and out of this thread tho [22:41:59] what are the main changes that were made? [22:42:15] just "is" from " 's" and getting it off commons [22:42:42] sure, let's regenerate [22:42:58] actually it's already off commons [22:42:58] Are we going to switch meta over too? [22:43:16] bastique: I think the idea is we're gonna switch *everything* over [22:43:29] I mean, for Phase 4 [22:44:11] bastique: i know erik wants to switch meta soon [22:44:19] but that may be happening prior to phase 4 [22:45:20] i'll forward you the email [22:45:25] Okay I'm pretty much done with the {{SITENOTICE}} stuff. [22:45:27] Finally. [22:45:48] zh-* was difficult :( [22:45:55] thanks AlexZ_! [22:45:57] {{#switch:{{lc:{{SITENAME}}}} |wikipedia=維基百科 |wiktionary=維基詞典 |wikiquote=維基語錄 |wikibooks=維基教科書 |wikinews=維基新聞 |wikisource=維基文庫 |#default=維基媒體}} :P [22:46:47] *AlexZ_ can't wait until CN gets it's bugs fixed. [22:46:55] parutron: ever looked at http://www.intuitionhq.com ? [22:47:11] now i have [22:47:11] ;) [22:47:13] <_wizardist_> such weird... :S [22:47:15] (looking now) [22:47:24] parutron: to see a working example, http://bit.ly/9U9YkW [22:47:29] hmmm. . .the meta notice links to itself: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_design_and_feature_change [22:47:52] we can't supress these notices for individual pages, can we? [22:48:52] huh, interesting [22:48:53] you could using CSS [22:49:09] .page-2010_Wikimedia_design_and_feature_change #siteNotice { display: none } [22:50:36] for the the untranslated rtl languages, do you guys think it's better to run the english version or a google-translated version? [22:50:43] (e.g., http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الصفحة_الرئيسية) [22:52:07] <_wizardist_> how will you push the google translate version? with the api on-the-fly? :) [22:52:56] i wasn't thinking anything that fancy [22:53:03] _wizardist_: I don't want to load up the JS running on there that much. I mean, it's running on everything already [22:53:06] i was thinking of putting it manually through translate.google.com [22:53:21] and then copy/pasting it in the central notice tool [22:53:41] <_wizardist_> nimish_g: me neither [22:53:49] but i'd be afraid about how "bug" is translated [22:53:59] Google translate is evil. :P [22:54:09] <_wizardist_> Google Translate kills [22:54:18] We try to not use that if we don't /have/ to. [22:54:40] howief: I think it'd be best to let the community handle it. I'd much rather have the effect cary was talking about where a community member goes "let's translate that!" than have them see "Wikipedia look new is will for to be. It the bugging have translated, yes" [22:54:43] <_wizardist_> howief: in belarusian - mistake :) [22:54:50] <_wizardist_> though should be an insect [22:54:58] yeah, that's what i was afraid of [22:55:02] ok, let's just leave as is [22:55:47] yeah, that's what I said on Friday too. [22:55:50] :) [22:55:51] translate the interface will we [22:55:54] in the next few days we'll probably get lots of people translating/wanting to translate and these messages will be all over the place [22:56:00] yes [22:56:10] We always do [22:56:18] <_wizardist_> )) [22:56:30] most notably, it'll be on this page's talk page, irrespective of what we request: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Wikimedia_design_and_feature_change [22:56:38] so we should be ready for that =) [22:57:07] Eloquence: are we ready to take citenotice down on meta? [22:58:12] <_wizardist_> is 2010 Wikimedia design and feature change intended to be translated in the meta? [22:58:25] _wizardist_: no, that page will remain in english [22:58:35] <_wizardist_> why so? [22:58:37] nimish_g: one sentence recap why we're taking it down? [22:58:57] hopefully users that respond to a translation message will know english as well as their native language [22:59:09] it's not perfect tho - the message is also about bugs [22:59:27] oh, you mean the "help us translate" notice [22:59:32] yeah, we can take that one down [22:59:34] Eloquence: because it seems redundant with the central notice, since they both kind of point to the same things [22:59:34] i think in ideal world, this page would be translated, but at this point, I think it's prob too much work [22:59:40] *sigh* [23:00:01] You wanted the landing page translated? :-/ [23:00:18] AlexZ_: no, i think we're okay with having it in english [23:00:41] i think we need to be realistic about the amount of work [23:00:55] you pretty much need to be an english speaker to be able to do localization work from the original, or become an ambassador, or submit feedback/bug reports in a language we can read [23:01:18] <_wizardist_> howief: I had this idea, too. But yeah in "ideal world" (Commons, Meta) it should be translated [23:01:19] <_wizardist_> )) [23:01:45] <_wizardist_> I'm mostly an English writer [23:01:51] let's leave it as is [23:01:58] <_wizardist_> ok [23:02:20] howief: I think it would have been possible to get it translated. The fundraiser is usually even more work than this is. [23:02:36] but nod. I just needed to know sooner, that's all. [23:02:36] AlexZ_: if we had more time, yes [23:02:43] yup [23:03:22] Like a month would have been great. ;) [23:04:07] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: #ifeq works fine for be-x-old) [23:04:17] _wizardist_: cool :) [23:04:44] <_wizardist_> AlexZ_: and I must say you that firs time I saw it in our wiki, {{SITENAME}} was fine [23:04:56] <_wizardist_> [01:02:42] <_wizardist_> nimish_g: we are good [23:05:11] <_wizardist_> first* [23:05:24] <_wizardist_> that's the strangest part of the story [23:06:01] ah, well I know there is a reason we used that. I just don't remember exactly why... we wouldn't have gone through all the trouble with it last year if there wasn't some issue. [23:06:25] it might come back to me [23:08:14] <_wizardist_> brion vibber that happend already [23:08:21] <_wizardist_> [01:43:19] istr some issues where every once in a while the localization infrastructure would kind of break for a little while [23:08:35] nod [23:09:41] <_wizardist_> said that*