[00:44:09] http://www.foreseeresults.com/research-white-papers/_downloads/foresee-results-annual-ebusiness-report-2010.pdf [00:44:54] it's the report with the 77% score of wikipedia in the american consumer satisfaction index [04:34:00] hi [04:34:30] anyone knows the problem of IE6 or earlier? [04:35:49] very slowly when use new interface [04:38:01] some ja wikipedian claim "it's very critical and should be fixed!!" [04:39:06] Is UX team trying to fix? or how do they think about this? [05:17:21] aokomoriuta: I'm not aware of any issue about this, but I'm only peripherally involved in the Vector roll-outs. Do you know if it has been reported in bugzilla? Is there somewhere you can point me to read about it? [05:18:44] I, as a UX ambassador of jawp, reported in usability wiki [05:18:55] not in bugzilla [05:20:53] [[usability:Talk:Releases/Default Switch#Feedback from jawp]] [05:23:27] Should I report in bugzilla? [05:24:20] or is there any reported bugs? [05:24:29] sec. [05:24:35] i was on the phone. i'll read up on it now. [05:25:33] k. i'll reply there. [05:31:00] aokomoriuta: I have replied on the page itself (so that others who are not currently present can view it in the future). [05:32:13] thanks! [05:35:14] you're welcome! i'll see what i can't do about this. it may not be much but i can at least surface the issue. [05:38:10] I don't experience this problem (I uses fx3.6&ie8), so I'll ask the users and sum their answers [05:38:40] maybe it takes 4-7 days [05:38:52] okay, good. [05:39:50] we're discussing [[w:ja:Wikipedia:???????????????/?????????????????????/IE6??????]] in Japanese [05:39:54] http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BD%BF%E7%94%A8%E6%80%A7%E6%94%B9%E5%96%84/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%83%90%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF/IE6%E4%BB%A5%E5%89%8D [05:44:37] Okay, good. I don't speak or read Japanese, but maybe someone in the office does. Google translate isn't doing the page justice, I think. [05:46:43] I think so too :( < google translate [05:47:37] anyway, I'll notify them your reply in usability wiki and try to collect their opinion! [05:47:40] thanks, again! [05:49:20] no problem! [09:59:14] aokomoriuta: About the slowness you reported earlier: we thing it's because of IE6's embarrassingly slow JavaScript engine. Trevor and I are working on something called a resource loader that'll make sure everyone just gets the JS they need and no more, so IE6 (which is incompatible with most of our advanced JS stuff anyway) should get way less JS = way less slowness [09:59:23] *think [12:04:40] RoanKattouw : Some ja wikipedian repoted the IE6's JS is too slow to use new interface, too. But they said IE6 can't be ignored if considering its share (about 15%?). [12:05:59] Yes, we know this [12:06:09] Like I said, we are doing something about it [12:06:12] But it'll take a while [12:07:48] how should I/we tell them before it solved? "Login and use monobook and old interface!"? [12:09:09] any other temporally solution? [12:12:37] there is a permanent solution [12:13:34] use Chrome or Firefox and, when this is not possible you might consider using the old monobook interface [12:14:01] <^demon> I'm happy to note that ~32k IE6 users are going away in a month :) [12:14:22] I forgot it! < use Chrome and Firefox [17:50:22] hello :) [17:50:47] hi [17:50:50] I would need a copy of the UsabilityInitiative extension [17:51:13] eh, why? [17:51:24] doesn't do anything on its own [17:51:31] I can not download it from svn [17:51:39] yeah, thats for sure :) [17:51:49] why do you want it? [17:52:28] I need it to try something... making some integration plugin for integrating mediawiki into vbulletin [17:53:06] 1.16 is working fine now... but need to try the new editor for the wiki [17:53:18] you mean the editing toolbar? [17:53:21] yes [17:53:36] it is part of the UsabilityInitiative extension, right? [17:54:38] ok, it should be... according to the documentation [17:54:51] yes, it is WikiEditor here - http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ [17:55:56] hm... yeah... but how to download it? [17:56:22] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UsabilityInitiative should offer a tarball download [17:56:24] you'd have to download it from svn to get it from there [17:56:32] but there is a... what RoanKattouw said [17:57:00] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/UsabilityInitiative [17:57:12] last time I downloaded it from there :( [17:57:18] svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload6/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/trunk/extensions' locked svn: run\n'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) [17:57:31] but now this error [17:57:49] Oh for f***'s sake [17:57:59] We need to get that cleaned up [17:58:05] RoanKattouw can get that fixed... [17:58:11] Temporarily, yes [17:58:30] ok, I'm waiting :) [17:59:02] Meh, permission denied, thought so [17:59:31] ok, take time ... .I'll check it out tomorrow [17:59:40] bepe: you could also download an svn client and download it right from svn [17:59:49] RoanKattouw: Send an e-mail and make sure a few of the people who can fix it permanently are on CC :) [18:00:15] hm... never used one [18:00:19] I'll try :) [18:00:45] ^demon: I did that on wikitech-l once before [18:01:25] See my reply to Ariel on July 15th [18:01:53] bepe: or I could email it to you if you want [18:02:42] yeah, would be nice ... [18:03:12] wait [18:03:35] it is 1.26MB [18:04:12] RoanKattouw: did anyone take into consideration my note that loading collapsibletabs for anons is totally redundant? [18:04:32] I don't remember you saying that [18:04:54] And no, it's not redundant, the history tabs can be collapsed [18:04:59] *tab [18:05:09] what if they are using stupidly low resolutions? [18:05:35] Eventually, it'll start looking ugly [18:05:51] it already does that :P (couldn't resist) [18:06:37] I need to do a huge level of customization to vector that I don't know how to do [18:06:56] so I'm using monobook where people have already done it for me [18:07:16] Prodego: can u upload it to some filesharing service? ... it might be too big for email [18:07:36] I'm sure someone here has a server they can stick it on more easily [18:19:43] yes, server is better :) [18:19:48] ftp://dag:4b3e58df-b36d-4902-ba89-3a65115c3fd7@bepe80.com [18:20:16] could someone drop me a copy of the UsabilityInitiative extension there? [18:20:39] if not I'll just wait for svn to get fixt :) [18:20:48] fixed* [18:26:20] ftp://dag:4b3e58df-b36d-4902-ba89-3a65115c3fd7@bepe80.com/integration.png [18:27:02] a screen of the project I'm working on :) ... really happy with the new vector theme!! :) [19:52:49] thanks thedj [19:53:01] i just had to log out of IRC and don't know how to view the logs [19:53:09] can you resend that link if you have a sec? [19:53:30] parutron: See topic for link to logs of this channel [19:53:40] Should be somewhere near the top of the screen in most clients [19:53:58] hmm [19:53:58] "Welcome to the Wikipedia Usability Initiative -- blah blah blah blah blah logged @ link" [19:54:03] i use colloquy [19:54:03] oh [19:55:00] found it! [19:55:07] hey [19:55:10] how do i change the topic? [19:55:54] You can't if you're not an operator [19:56:04] There, now you're an operator :) [19:56:21] In my client I can just click the topic and it'll become editable [19:56:25] Otherwise, there's /topic New topic goes here