[07:52:58] <Juandev>	hi
[07:53:12] <Juandev>	is this a place to talk about Vector?
[07:53:31] <Prodego>	eh sort of kind of not really
[07:53:34] <Prodego>	but say whatever :)
[07:53:41] <Juandev>	so where?
[07:54:21] <Prodego>	what about it?
[07:54:28] <Juandev>	there is a call for help with testing in sitenotice, so I am looking for a place where to talka about it or how to report about i
[07:54:46] <Prodego>	if you want to give feedback, here is good
[07:55:05] <Prodego>	if you want to request changes, then it gets somewhat fuzzy
[07:57:44] <Juandev>	btw why also non-wp projects should have it?
[07:58:16] <Prodego>	this channel is terribly named
[07:58:26] <Prodego>	vector was always designed for all of wikimedia
[07:58:38] <Prodego>	this channel should be called #wikimedia-usability
[07:58:56] <Prodego>	ironically they chose the highly unusable and nonstandard #wikipedia_usability
[08:00:24] <Juandev>	well, I dont think so that unity helps to other projects as MW was designed for wp and other projects should use extensions to it to work better
[08:01:22] <Juandev>	Prodego: well, I heard that usability initiative was formed especially for usability of wp, thats why is probably called like this:-)
[08:01:50] <Prodego>	wikipedia is the biggest and gets the most attention
[08:02:08] <Prodego>	but vector was rolled out on commons first
[08:02:51] <Prodego>	the things it impliments are designed to increase participation, which is useful for any wiki, not just wikipedia
[08:03:34] <Juandev>	btw, I am having problems with Vector edit toolbar. It is more difficult to use it in Czech language than monobook
[08:04:57] <Prodego>	You'll want to talk to RoanKattouw about that
[08:06:12] <Juandev>	eg. when I want to link a specific Heading on a page I havent got #. It is not native to the Czech keyboard. So I have to remember key shortcut or I have to switch between keyboards. In the case of Monobook users can have a button for that
[08:06:54] <Juandev>	So this is equal to monobook or worse
[08:07:52] <Prodego>	okay, I'll let him know - anything else?
[08:07:55] <Juandev>	Prodego: so is there a place on wiki to place these questions and recomendatiosn?
[08:08:17] <Prodego>	there are many places for feedback, but I usually just find the people directly
[08:08:19] <Prodego>	it is a whole lot easier
[08:08:37] <Juandev>	Prodego: ok, when I see him I will follow him
[08:09:02] <Prodego>	Juandev: you could also put it on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Catrope
[08:09:12] <Juandev>	okay
[08:09:13] <Juandev>	thx
[08:09:18] <Prodego>	I'm sure if you put it there he'll point you to where it should go, and respond as wlel
[08:09:21] <Prodego>	as well*
[08:10:42] <Prodego>	I believe there is a bug on bugzilla
[08:10:52] <Prodego>	sorry, wrong channel with that last message
[21:14:44] <RoanKattouw>	guillom: Your calendar entry is wrong, Mark doesn't get in until Friday 27
[21:22:44] <guillom>	RoanKattouw, {{sofixit}}? :) have to run to a meeting
[21:25:23] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[21:56:18] <Nemo_bis>	@op here? What about changing at least the topic to "Wikimedia Usability Initiative"? :-)
[21:56:41] <Nemo_bis>	RoanKattouw?
[21:56:45] <RoanKattouw>	Because that wasn't the name of the initiative back when it still existed
[22:02:21] <Nemo_bis>	Yes, I know, but [[usability:]] {{SITENAME}} has been changed, I think that we can change also the topic of this channel.
[22:02:40] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[22:02:42] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah in that case
[22:12:03] <Danny_B>	while having +if mode available, it's easy to have the systematic name as the live channel and keep this name as "redirect"
[22:14:41] <RoanKattouw>	Can we worry about that in a week or so? Leaving for vacation in 8 hrs
[22:15:15] <Nemo_bis>	Good vacation, RoanKattouw. :-)
[22:16:00] <RoanKattouw>	Thansk