[06:50:59] * tramm just skipped goal #8 aka fetching & setting up mediawiki codebase [06:59:38] is see that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2019/Venue#Accommodation nor https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Participants mentions sleeping bag policy at the venue and relevant facilities, is there anything special about that? [08:13:56] tramm: What is a sleeping bag policy? [08:21:03] I'm wondering if it means "can I just sleep in the hackathon venue" [08:26:25] well, there might be other supporting mechanisms like special quiet/dark rooms for those with sleeping bags or facilities like showers or blankets/pillows provided by organizer [08:27:23] Surely that's what the accommodation is for? [08:27:26] Hotel/hostel rooms? [08:27:32] up to the question if sleeping at the venue is maybe even discouraged [08:27:33] The conference venue is a library. A hotel is an accommodation. [08:27:34] https://medium.com/@hackwithtrees/hackathon-survival-guide-sleep-c6f770ca1f05 [08:28:01] andre__: Is it open 24/7 to us? [08:28:34] tramm: This is not a competitive Hackathon. [08:29:01] Reedy, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2019/Program#Rooms_in_NTK [08:29:03] andre__: why is that important in this respect? [08:29:13] It's not a competetion [08:29:16] tramm: Because it's not after self-exploitation. [08:29:43] >Gallery (ground floor): Two story public hacking space. Open 08:00-02:00. [08:29:55] So yeah, you're gonna be kicked out for ~6 hours [08:30:37] Well, NTK has a space that is open 24/7 as far as I know. It's just not "Hackathon only" but you'd need to share it with random other people who want to study :P [08:30:47] heh [08:31:01] Maybe the security guards think a random person in a sleeping bag is some homeless person... [08:31:15] https://www.techlib.cz/en/2854-opening-hours [08:31:40] tramm: Also, did you skip "fetching & setting up mediawiki codebase" because you've already done it, or will do it later? [08:31:56] If it's the former, good... If it's the latter, I'd advise against doing that if you can do it now [08:32:05] "After Hours Study Room" is open from 22:00 to 10:00 according to https://www.techlib.cz/en/2854-opening-hours [08:32:15] It's just not a dedicated Hackathon room [08:32:40] * tramm kind of presumed there is some way to sleep at the venue and did not think about any other accommodation options... yet [08:34:26] No sleeping at the venue, sorry :) [08:41:48] For the records, the room in the bottom right corner is the night study room: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CZ_NTK_first_floor_map.svg . But that means studying :) [08:42:28] that's kind of sad [08:42:32] * tramm is sorry to have found it out at the moment starting to pack a sleeping bag [08:42:52] See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2019/Venue#Accommodation :) [08:48:22] that was the first link i provided in my question, yes, i have seen it all right :P [09:15:10] "You can also sit back and learn about other people's projects and sit through some introduction sessions, before you decide how you want to spend your time; however, if you already know what you want to work on feel free to jump right in, *hack all day and night*, and only resurface for *coffee* breaks and meals." https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Participants#How_to_make_my_first_Hackathon_a_great_experience? [09:16:31] Sleeping in a sleeping bag isn't hacking all night :P [09:16:38] As andre__ said, there are 24/7 areas [09:17:05] so the antidote for sleeping aka coffee... is that statement true for all 24h at least? [09:17:22] well, i don't want to argue much [09:20:11] i could ask about what czech laws say about homelessness and sleeping at the streets, installing a tent and current nightly temperatures, leaving my stuff safely at the venue etc, but i think i can manage on my own and we will see what happens at the spot [09:21:58] It depends on the venue... There might be 24/7 coffee, might not be free (possibly only free in the rooms we have exclusive use) [09:22:14] 72h 24/7 hacking event without sleeping area is really surprising for me and i suggest that small detail is worth a mention on the description of the hackathon [09:22:19] that's all [09:22:36] It's a wiki, you can edit it [09:23:08] for the next time maybe [09:23:27] What do you mean? [09:24:12] it's probably late for most people to find out there's no sleeping just one day before the event [09:24:26] ... [09:24:31] Why do you think the registration form asks about accommodation? [09:25:35] no idea, i didn't notice it [09:26:12] :/ [09:26:35] Generally filling out forms without reading them isn't good [09:27:07] Reedy: please, don't make that kind of assumptions about strangers on internet [09:27:16] [10:25:35] no idea, i didn't notice it [09:27:20] You basically just admitted it [09:30:21] Reedy: it's your opinion, i might have other reasons for not inferring "no sleeping area" from it, there might be different traditions of organizing a hackathon and i know that some of them are more genuine and some of them just use the name "hackathon" for marketing reasons [09:30:38] What is my opinion? [09:30:52] "Generally filling out forms without reading them isn't good" is just good advice [09:31:39] btw Reedy and andre__ should i also ask official contact of a hackathon about this sleeping area question? are you two organizers of you just express your opinions here? [09:31:50] hackathon@wikimedia.cz [09:32:24] that didn't answer my question, sorry [09:33:33] I believe Andre is an organiser [09:33:43] I am not, but I've also been attending these events for the last 9 years [09:33:49] So, have some experience [09:38:12] so is it a different tradition of hackathons? because i personally don't remember being at a 24h+ hackathon without sleeping area at the venue and i've been at quite a many hackathons in different european countries organized by various teams... and the last hackathon i organized was 24h hackathon and even we had options about sleeping at the venue explicitly defined https://hack24.ut.ee/#faq [09:39:11] As Andre said... It's not a competetive hacakthon. We're not "racing" to get some prize [09:39:18] We're not trying to exploit volunteers, we're not trying to burn them out [09:40:21] it's not about competition but the flow and what people need to work intensively on something [09:40:54] It's also not all about the hacking [09:41:43] the description of the hackathon on wiki is quite commonplace and refers to continuous hacking and 24/7 a lot [09:41:48] Most people don't need to work 24/7 for the duration of the event to get something done [09:41:51] exploiting volunteers type of hackathons are a late invention anyway [09:42:13] but, anyway, i got my information [09:42:48] if anyone has free couch for me or something like that near the venue, i might be interested [09:43:24] There might be options for that... Some people live locally, or have rented apartments and stuff [09:44:17] I note https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Participants doesn't mention 24 hours at all [09:49:44] except this "hack all day and night" part, which kind of says that [09:50:17] Did you apply for/get a scholarship OOI? [10:04:26] me? neither [14:02:32] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 60 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @alaa_wmde & @nuria - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [14:51:48] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @alaa_wmde & @nuria - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [19:29:36] * bawolff awaiting his flight!!!! [19:29:46] * bawolff excited for hackathon