[00:01:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020
[00:11:13] * Reedy looks at the noise he's making in #wikimedia-dev
[00:13:11] <Reedy>	 Easy CR for people with +2 in mw core
[00:13:32] * Lcawte looks around
[00:17:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ladsgroup> I'm around (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> Easy CR for people with +2 in mw core)
[00:18:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:reedy%2540wikimedia.org+status:open+project:mediawiki/core
[00:18:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> Possibly ~11 commits
[00:18:55] <Reedy>	 Mostly PHPCS related
[00:38:15] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ladsgroup> I merged three or four, waiting they go in so I move on to the next one (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> Mostly PHPCS related)
[00:39:02] <Reedy>	 they've just been submitted :)
[00:54:05] <Lcawte>	 That took me far too long to find, Guzzle is the library I was looking for. 
[01:01:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> Well, that was an abrupt end to that conversation...
[01:01:30] <bd808>	 rfarrand: I will see you around here tomorrow US time! You are the best.
[01:02:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Bryan: or meet up again at the Meet link
[01:02:12] <rfarrand>	 :) 
[01:02:28] <Lcawte>	 You're not doing Hackathon's right if all the US people aren't on your timezone really jetlagged.
[01:03:20] <bd808>	 siebrand: I've got to go procure food for myself and Shelley :) Our friend's restaurant reopened for take-out this week and I need my Funky Taco!
[01:04:30] <rfarrand>	 https://meet.google.com/xys-vcgt-qqu
[01:34:23] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Timo> Looks like Collection extension is the last one to use AjaxResponse/AjaxDispatcher (which powers index.php?action=ajax, which predates api.php). – https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42786
[01:35:35] <Reedy>	 bd808: Are you mailing mine?
[01:36:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> Which is easier to fix? Undeploy Collection or fix the usages? ;) (re @Timo: Looks like Collection extension is the last one to use AjaxResponse/AjaxDispatcher (which powers index.php?action=ajax, which predates api.php). – https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T42786)
[01:43:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Bustria> Preferencial rank on Quickstatements I hope it can be developed this year.
[01:58:50] <Krenair>	 as I recall trying to fix Collection to not have AjaxResponse/AjaxDispatcher is quite a bit of work
[02:01:23] <Reedy>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/Collection/+/183228/
[02:22:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> I am looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#Title_library , can someone please confirm that redirectTarget is not expensive, while isRedirect is? It is not marked as such, but this sounds unlogical. Unless I am misunderstanding what redirectTarget is supposed to do
[02:23:42] <Reedy>	 It does sound a little backwards
[02:24:00] <Reedy>	 Considering we have a db column (page.page_is_redirect) that stores if it's a redirect
[02:24:13] <Reedy>	 And then a redirect table to resolve that...
[02:25:12] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Scribunto/blob/master/includes/engines/LuaCommon/TitleLibrary.php#L136
[02:25:20] <Reedy>	 isRedirect is in a function called "getExpensiveData"
[02:25:56] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Scribunto/commit/ce5ac6611da20dcd3edaf26d64d3b94b8dbe1562
[02:26:04] <Reedy>	 It was moved from inexpensive to expensive...
[02:26:33] <Reedy>	 I guess that's why it says "may be expnsive"
[02:26:45] <Reedy>	 It's cheap if it's already pulled the data... But if it's there/cached...
[02:28:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> what about redirectTarget then?
[02:33:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Timo> Nice patch 👍 - worth mentioning on the stewardship request I suppose. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Krenair> as I recall trying to fix Collection to not have AjaxResponse/AjaxDispatcher is quite a bit of work)
[02:35:28] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Scribunto/blame/master/includes/engines/LuaCommon/TitleLibrary.php#L446-L450
[02:51:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> so I am a bit lost, seeing as it fetches the content and also fakes template transclusion link it does sound expensive to me, but on the other hand I do not see it incrementing that expensive function counter (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Scribunto/blame/master/includes/engines/LuaCommon/TitleLibrary.php#L446-L450)
[02:51:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> (unless it is done somewhere under the hood in one of the functions called, but I haven't noticed it)
[03:00:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> You’d have to ask someone with more intimate knowledge of the extension. People value of expensive maybe differs
[03:14:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> My concrete use case is that I have a call to exists but I would also like to check if the page is a redirect to an anchor, so I am wondering if that would make the module more expensive or not. From what it looks so far it would, but then I am also not sure because of this confusion
[03:14:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> I guess I would need to stalk maintainers somewhere indeed
[04:59:18] <legoktm>	 Thecladis: I'd probably just use redirectTarget and only start reducing expensive calls if it becomes a problem
[04:59:36] <legoktm>	 One of my lua templates follows redirects and I haven't had any problems with performance (yet!)
[05:00:17] <legoktm>	 JeanFred: am I remembering correctly that you use ansible to manage a toolforge tool? Is that something you'd recommend?
[05:01:11] * legoktm huggles bawolff
[05:04:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Should I have to prepare PPT or can share my screen and showcase my project ?
[05:58:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Good morning! ☀️
[05:59:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <gnoeee> Good mrn☀️
[05:59:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> I'm pretty sure you'll be able to share your screen. I'll talk with the facilitators today and we'll come up with guidelines :) (re @Gopa_Vasanth: Should I have to prepare PPT or can share my screen and showcase my project ?)
[05:59:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Good Afternoon Lea :) (re @Auregann: Good morning! ☀️)
[06:00:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Yay that would be great ! (re @Auregann: I'm pretty sure you'll be able to share your screen. I'll talk with the facilitators today and we'll come up with guidelines :))
[06:46:29] <Yupik>	 g'morning!
[06:49:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Good morning
[06:50:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Good morning
[06:59:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Oh, perhaps I should go that way then (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <legoktm> Thecladis: I'd probably just use redirectTarget and only start reducing expensive calls if it becomes a problem)
[06:59:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Hello all! here are the guidelines for the showcase (today at 19:00 CEST) Things may still evolve in the next hours https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[07:00:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> ^ @Tohaomg let me know if this works for you
[07:14:40] <addshore>	 Morning ☀️☀️☀️☀️
[07:14:45] * RhinosF1 waves
[07:14:49] <RhinosF1>	 Morning addshore
[07:14:58] * addshore sips a coffee
[07:15:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> For people who want a break or just woke up: in 45min, I'll try out a fun experiment, bringing you with me while walking in the forest and asking you where I should go next! 10:00 CEST in the main Jitsi call https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack
[07:19:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Yay! (re @Auregann: For people who want a break or just woke up: in 45min, I'll try out a fun experiment, bringing you with me while walking in the forest and asking you where I should go next! 10:00 CEST in the main Jitsi call https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack)
[07:23:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Be aware - if you're using Jitsi on mobile you should probably test it out first. It requires an app and for you to point to the meet.wmcloud.org server in the config
[07:26:55] <andre__>	 o/ morn everyone!
[07:29:11] <RhinosF1>	 Hey andre__
[07:30:46] * apergos peeks in
[07:31:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Mornign guys. If there is consience, I am thinking of stream some background music on Twitch starting 11:00 like yesterday 🙂
[07:31:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Mornign guys. If there is consience, I am thinking of streaming some background music on Twitch starting 11:00 like yesterday 🙂
[07:33:06] <RhinosF1>	 andre__: I’ll look at the starter pack for info boxes I mentioned during the small wiki kits session later. I’ll set myself a reminder to do it tonight.
[07:33:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> Hey folks a slightly GRAY idea to check out... 
[07:33:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> I am interested in collecting Comments, Ideas and Commitments for a proposal to consider visually aid new users to WikiMedia projects that are under special attention or review due to problematic administration, content or similar. Please check it out and if you have time lets try to meet on chat in about 6-12hours from now *(to accomodate diffrent timezones) GRAY-grim WIKIPEDIA LIST https://phabricator.
[07:41:38] <andre__>	 The last URL got cut on IRC because the message was too long ^
[07:42:29] <RhinosF1>	 @zBlace: interesting idea but that needs full community involvement & probably wmf reviewx might be best to start a thread on meta about it. I can see the need (and wish I could that for some of the reception wikis at miraheze)
[07:45:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> Can you Please add any input you have there. I am off for next 6hours and will get back to whatever is posted and informative there from then on. Thank you! (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <RhinosF1> @zBlace: interesting idea but that needs full community involvement & probably wmf reviewx might be best to start a thread on meta about it. I can see the need (and wish I could that for some of the reception wik
[07:46:04] <RhinosF1>	 @zBlace: will comment on phabricator later.
[07:46:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> Thanks for check Andre__ ...here  GRAY-grim WIKIPEDIA LIST https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252291 (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <andre__> The last URL got cut on IRC because the message was too long ^)
[07:55:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> It's happening now :) (re @Auregann: For people who want a break or just woke up: in 45min, I'll try out a fun experiment, bringing you with me while walking in the forest and asking you where I should go next! 10:00 CEST in the main Jitsi call https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack)
[07:55:39] <legoktm>	 Good night everyone 
[07:57:51] <RhinosF1>	 night legoktm
[07:58:50] <Majavah>	 gn legoktm
[08:05:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> joining (re @Auregann: It's happening now :))
[08:06:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Something interesting is happening here https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack Intrested people can join :D
[08:09:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> SECOND Virtual Nature/Dog Walk of Wikimedia Hackathon:
[08:09:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> 2020-05-10 - Sunday
[08:09:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> 0800 UTC / 1000 CEST / 0400 Eastern US / 0100 Pacific US
[08:09:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Dog walk / Berlin park : Join us if you need a break from coding come join us as we stream our dog walks and neighborhood nature. You are welcome to stream your walk as well or just hang out. Hosted by Léa Lacroix. Watchers welcome!
[08:09:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> You can also try out the new Jitsi video conferencing service on Wikimedia Cloud:
[08:09:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack
[08:11:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Someone can also project showcase etherpad link to the pinned message of this group ? (re @Auregann: Hello all! here are the guidelines for the showcase (today at 19:00 CEST) Things may still evolve in the next hours https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020)
[08:12:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Someone can also add project showcase etherpad link to the pinned message of this group ? (re @Auregann: Hello all! here are the guidelines for the showcase (today at 19:00 CEST) Things may still evolve in the next hours https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020)
[08:32:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Hackathon main page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2020/Remote_Hackathon
[08:32:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Etherpad for showcase: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[08:32:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Default jitsi videoconference room: https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack
[08:32:23] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Done! (re @Gopa_Vasanth: Someone can also add project showcase etherpad link to the pinned message of this group ?)
[08:58:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Okey folks. We are starting with some small Spotify stuff on https://www.twitch.tv/tonythomas01 and then switching to larger sets soon. Have a nice morning 🙂
[09:22:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Join group photo session at 18:00 (albanian time) today. Everyone who want to join, enters Google Meet meeting, turns on the camera, the screenshot of him/her is taken, and later all of those screenshots will be compiled into a collage.
[09:22:29] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> That was a nice walk thanks for organizing!
[09:23:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Can we just point you to a photo? Camera broke in some stupid update 🤦‍♀ (re @Tohaomg: Join group photo session at 18:00 (albanian time) today. Everyone who want to join, enters Google Meet meeting, turns on the camera, the screenshot of him/her is taken, and later all of those screenshots will be compiled into a collage.)
[09:25:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> That would not be as 'genuine' photo as I expected, but if there is no other option, than ok. (re @WMYupik: Can we just point you to a photo? Camera broke in some stupid update 🤦‍♀)
[09:26:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> @JeanFred someone decided today was a good day to block the Wiki Loves Monuments robot on the English Wikipedia (after running there for nearly 10 years)
[09:26:40] <Ciell>	 :-S
[09:26:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Stuart_Prior> wtf (re @Maarten: @JeanFred someone decided today was a good day to block the Wiki Loves Monuments robot on the English Wikipedia (after running there for nearly 10 years))
[09:27:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Yeah, the camera would be a lot easier too :D (re @Tohaomg: That would not be as 'genuine' photo as I expected, but if there is no other option, than ok.)
[09:27:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Wth (re @Maarten: @JeanFred someone decided today was a good day to block the Wiki Loves Monuments robot on the English Wikipedia (after running there for nearly 10 years))
[09:28:16] * Harmonia_Amanda shares her pu-erh with every tea lover here
[09:28:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Thanks for the shared walk, it was nice :)
[09:29:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <MxLucy> Thank you too I loved participating in this. (re @Auregann: Thanks for the shared walk, it was nice :))
[09:31:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> Yup thanks
[09:34:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> I have to say this new Gerrit repo request page is a bit confusing though. Why does it say “Your edit has been added there” even before I started writing anything ? 🤔: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/18e541e6/file_140.jpg
[09:35:10] <gabrielchl>	 It assumes you see the page after you've added your entry
[09:36:00] <tonythomas>	 gabrielchl: aha. okey. Let me try adding my thingy there then.  
[09:40:19] <tonythomas>	 btw, one more thing - should I be asking for hosting on diffusion, or Gerrit ? 
[09:40:32] <tonythomas>	 this is for a tools project, btw 
[09:41:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Oh thanks! ❤️ (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Harmonia_Amanda> shares her pu-erh with every tea lover here)
[09:42:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Hackathon main page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2020/Remote_Hackathon
[09:42:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Register for mingling and showcase at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020
[09:42:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Etherpad for showcase: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[09:42:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Default jitsi videoconference room: https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack
[09:43:07] <gabrielchl>	 @tonythomas you should ask for hosting on Gerrit, which they'll also help you mirror it over to diffusion and wm github
[09:43:30] <tonythomas>	 gabrielchl: alright then. Doing that! 
[09:44:06] <tonythomas>	 Even though, I see this directly under toolsadmin https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JhEZLsy9/CreateLinkOnTools
[09:46:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Is anybody working on ressurecting PetScan?
[09:52:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Magnus already gave it a kick. Underlying problem seems to be that one of the database replicas is down
[09:53:45] <multichill>	 bd808: Maybe you can assign the tool a bit more resources to easy the pain?
[09:53:52] <multichill>	 *ease
[10:10:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> This particular part (kicking) does not need to always need Magnus’ attention… Too bad there seems to be no other Petscan maintainers… https://openstack-browser.toolforge.org/project/petscan (re @Maarten: Magnus already gave it a kick. Underlying problem seems to be that one of the database replicas is down)
[10:10:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> Joy. (re @Maarten: @JeanFred someone decided today was a good day to block the Wiki Loves Monuments robot on the English Wikipedia (after running there for nearly 10 years))
[10:11:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Stuart_Prior> How much time/effort to build a whole other PetScan from scratch?
[10:14:43] <multichill>	 Stuart: The database cluster(s) are provided by Toolforge
[10:18:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Stuart_Prior> so it's an access/permissions issue? (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <multichill> Stuart: The database cluster(s) are provided by Toolforge)
[10:19:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Can an Irc admin please kick my Ciell? For some reason I cannot kick my own ghost on Ice Chat
[10:22:38] <physikerwelt>	 I am looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Architectural_modules/Cache to figure out how to generate cache keys... is there another page describing this more in detail. I found the makeGlobalKey method do I just throw in anything which the caching object depens on and I am done?
[10:23:53] <Ciell>	 Ha, back!
[10:24:11] <Ciell>	 kicking a ghost has been a while ;) 
[10:33:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Here we go again... When will this finally be resolved?: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/24d33b2d/file_141.jpg
[10:37:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Has made working on Wikidata an excruciating ordeal for many months now
[10:37:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Can you explain what's going wrong exactly? (re @Andre: Has made working on Wikidata an excruciating ordeal for many months now)
[10:38:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> maxlag
[10:39:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> At times the server tells the bot that there's too much lag, could you try again in a few seconds.
[10:39:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Then a few seconds later the same.
[10:39:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> And so on for anything between a few minutes and a few hours.
[10:40:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Susannaanas> Are there people here interested in the revamp of the Map template? It is the start of a gradual process of migrating the template to Lua, initially aiming to reproduce the current state in Lue. When done with that we will go on to reading SDC and Wikidata, ensuring the connection to the Wikimaps Warper and later maybe to new dimensions altogether. Right now basic Lua skills appreciated! https://pha
[10:40:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> That's 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 2 hours or whatever length of time that I literally cannot do anything.
[10:40:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[10:41:18] <Lcawte>	 Good.. midday everybody. *yawns*
[10:41:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> @khaleeljageer @manimaran_k add your project details in above link for a demo at today 10.30 pm IST
[10:42:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Continuation...: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/43c89f5f/file_142.jpg
[10:44:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Thanks. Do you have suggestions on things that we could do to improve your experience (knowing that "entirely remove the limit" is not an option)? (re @Andre: That's 5 minutes, 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 2 hours or whatever length of time that I literally cannot do anything.)
[10:45:16] <RhinosF1>	 @Zblace: regarding https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252291#6122315, techcom or community tag?
[10:48:43] <andre__>	 not tech com
[10:49:39] <RhinosF1>	 andre__: i’ll take that as the other tag then
[10:50:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> @Auregann would you have some time today to give me some feedback on a Wikidata project?
[10:50:56] <RhinosF1>	 andre__: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252291#6122320, might be best to stall and move to meta for the debate tbf
[10:52:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Sure! anytime between 14:00 and 19:00 :) (re @Ciell: @Auregann would you have some time today to give me some feedback on a Wikidata project?)
[10:54:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Well, the first thing would be try to get whatever causes this issue to be resolved... Apparently there's some kind of performance issue, causing the system to be above the limit it can easily handle for extended periods of time.
[10:54:53] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Apart from that, slowing me down rather than halting me would already feel a lot better.
[10:56:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> It used to be that you got this kind of message rarely, and then once or twice in a row. But the last half year on Wikidata it seems to be more when than if, and when it happens for extended periods of time.
[10:56:12] <RhinosF1>	 ty andre__
[10:58:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> 14.00 sounds perfect, then I would have time to work on it some more today. (re @Auregann: Sure! anytime between 14:00 and 19:00 :))
[11:04:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Several bugs open for that. I know Adam is working on it from the server side.
[11:04:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> On Pywikibot side we’re also struggling with the best approach (re @Andre: It used to be that you got this kind of message rarely, and then once or twice in a row. But the last half year on Wikidata it seems to be more when than if, and when it happens for extended periods of time.)
[11:04:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> We probably have to untangle the waits for reads and for writes
[11:06:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> If you’re just testing and debugging , you can increase the maxlag setting in Pywikibot . Please don’t do that for extended periods of time (like batch jobs)
[11:07:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Well, it's not testing and debugging. But it's not a batch job either - it's a more or less interactive bot.
[11:08:29] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Just cheat a bit, but not too much. No point of you staring at a screen for this.
[11:08:30] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Classic resource allocation problem in a distributed system. You got starved :-(
[11:23:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Ok, but still isn't ideal of course. Would be better to increase it dynamically - have a strict limit on the first request, but loosen it if I already have waited a lot for this request or recently. Of course the real solution will have to come server side - apparently there is some resource that simply is available too little. Either extend it, or distribute it server side.
[11:33:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <xqt_pwb> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/pywikibot/core/+/576813/ (re @Andre: Then a few seconds later the same.
[11:33:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <xqt_pwb> And so on for anything between a few minutes and a few hours.)
[11:56:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> *Face Detection Using Deep Learning by Code Warriors | OpenCV | DNN | Deep Learning*
[11:56:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> This project video with detailed explanation of code will be premiered tomorrow, the *11th of May, 2020, 1p.m. IST*
[11:56:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> In this video, students will learn,
[11:57:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> *1. Implement face detection using dnn*
[11:57:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> *2. Inbuilt functions to use for detection*
[11:57:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> You should be aware of basic *Python Programming* to make full benifit of the tutorial.
[11:57:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> The video will be premiered on *Code Warriors* YouTube Channel. You can set a reminder to tomorrow's session on this link: 
[11:57:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mHQ3r1b9Co
[11:57:07] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> *Subscribe to our channel*, so that you don't miss out on upcoming tutorials: 
[11:57:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Yash> Looking forward to an amazing session, and to have you all be a part of it.
[12:01:38] <andre__>	 Spam...
[12:01:55] <andre__>	 Could someone block Yash on Telegram maybe?
[12:04:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Maarten ^^.
[12:06:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Josephine> Hmm, is anyone in #wmhack IRC? The last message that I see is in 2017, not sure if my client is buggy lol
[12:07:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> Last message in there was 5 minutes ago :)
[12:07:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> Its where the bridge-bot is feeding from
[12:07:28] <apergos>	 I'm in here
[12:07:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Josephine> Ah cool, thanks
[12:13:21] <misaochan>	 hi all :)
[12:13:37] <Lcawte>	 It is far too easy to get distracted/lose motivation at a remote hackathon...
[12:13:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <xqt_pwb> The -maxlag parameter can be used also (re @Maarten: If you’re just testing and debugging , you can increase the maxlag setting in Pywikibot . Please don’t do that for extended periods of time (like batch jobs))
[12:14:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <halfak> o/ How's hacking, folks.
[12:16:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> so far so good, I'm a bit entangled in Breton lexemes right now but that's ok :D (re @halfak: o/ How's hacking, folks.)
[12:17:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <halfak> Nice!
[12:18:14] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> Rooibos time!
[12:18:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/79db9409/file_143.jpg
[12:19:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Wondered where you went to today! (re @Nicolas: so far so good, I'm a bit entangled in Breton lexemes right now but that's ok :D)
[12:21:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> I'm mostly on that page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikidata_Lexeme_Forms/Breton
[12:21:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> (and amongst all my Breton grammars and dictionnaries to make some sense of it ;) ) (re @WMYupik: Wondered where you went to today!)
[12:21:30] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> people seemed a bit reluctant to add themselves near the top of the https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020, so I just stole the top spot :D
[12:21:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <halfak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooibos#Use  Interesting!  Never heard of it before. (re @Harmonia: Rooibos time!)
[12:24:07] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> ahhh, this tea is sooo soo good. It's a shame that is almost impossible to find in Brazil :/ (re @Harmonia: Rooibos time!)
[12:24:10] <Yupik>	 lucas: good! :D
[12:24:14] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nikki> rooibos is good! it's one of the only non-tea-plant teas I like
[12:32:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <pharosofalexandria> What's the primary Twitter account and hashtag for the hackathon?
[12:32:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> hashtag is #wmhack I think, I’m not aware of a primary twitter account
[12:33:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Isn't #wmhack2020? (re @lucaswerkmeister: hashtag is #wmhack I think, I’m not aware of a primary twitter account)
[12:53:34] <multichill>	 Don't forget to update https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/4551/query/all/ if you worked on something
[12:55:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> FUCK HYOU
[12:55:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Sorry
[12:59:18] <Lcawte>	 multichill: I didn't even file a task for the ... thing ... I'm working on :/
[13:01:52] <multichill>	 misaochan: Please don't do random dcc requests
[13:02:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <pharosofalexandria> It looks like #wmhack is the winner by popular consensus (re @Gopa_Vasanth: Isn't #wmhack2020?)
[13:02:33] <multichill>	 Nevermind that. Not a spammer :-)
[13:02:39] <misaochan>	 Hey, sorry about that. I was using hexchat for the first time and wondered if that was how you sent a message, lol
[13:02:51] <misaochan>	 My usual web browser IRC client was buggy :/
[13:03:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Do we have here a Wikidata interface admin?
[13:03:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Angelobregon> I've had this problem for two months, what's the reason? In January I could do 40 editions per minute, now 5-6... (re @Andre: )
[13:04:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <urbanecm> @Ladsgroup, multichill, maybe few more :) (re @Tohaomg: Do we have here a Wikidata interface admin?)
[13:04:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jarek> I am wikidata admin (not sure about interface part) (re @Tohaomg: Do we have here a Wikidata interface admin?)
[13:04:31] * andre__ hands a "/msg username messagecontent" to misaochan (for IRC at least)
[13:05:18] <misaochan>	 Thanks andre :P
[13:05:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Yeah wmhack as prefix +  YYYY would be another good idea :) (re @pharosofalexandria: It looks like #wmhack is the winner by popular consensus)
[13:07:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> Using years in hashtags is an antipattern and should be avoided (re @Gopa_Vasanth: Yeah wmhack as prefix +  YYYY would be another good idea :))
[13:09:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <halfak> I just finished with my planned work for the hackathon.  If anyone wants to chat about ORES, machine learning, etc. let me know.  I should be around for another couple of hours.
[13:09:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> This is a different role, so you are probably not, unless you see your username in https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=interface-admin (re @Jarek: I am wikidata admin (not sure about interface part))
[13:15:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> Hey, can someone point me to the where I can find MW "official" institutional colors?
[13:15:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <sjoerddebruin> https://design.wikimedia.org/style-guide/
[13:16:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> I'm pretty sur @Ladsgroup knows about that (re @igorabsorto: Hey, can someone point me to the where I can find MW "official" institutional colors?)
[13:16:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <halfak> https://design.wikimedia.org/style-guide/visual-style_colors.html (re @igorabsorto: Hey, can someone point me to the where I can find MW "official" institutional colors?)
[13:16:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> I am flexible it is just an idea that came out of urgency, but I have never done this before and have no idea where and how, so if you can do it please do it. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <RhinosF1> andre__: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252291#6122320, might be best to stall and move to meta for the debate tbf)
[13:16:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <andreklapper> MW? Or WM? (re @igorabsorto: Hey, can someone point me to the where I can find MW "official" institutional colors?)
[13:16:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> 👍 thanks (re @halfak: https://design.wikimedia.org/style-guide/visual-style_colors.html)
[13:17:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> MW (re @andreklapper: MW? Or WM?)
[13:18:09] <multichill>	 Tohaomg : Age old wisdom of IRC: don't ask if someone can help you, just ask the question what you actually need help with. :-)
[13:18:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> But I think I can use the pallete Aaron sent me, Andre. We just need the correct yellow and blue shades.
[13:19:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> I would discuss it on meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/meta:babel - see what others think (re @zBlace: I am flexible it is just an idea that came out of urgency, but I have never done this before and have no idea where and how, so if you can do it please do it.)
[13:19:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <andreklapper> I was mostly confused why it was tagged for the Hackathon. :) Technically, I guess it's about adding another config value which might change some CSS or such.
[13:19:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <andreklapper> But I'd usually not recommend working on something that visible and potentially controversial before having had some broader discussion (re @zBlace: I am flexible it is just an idea that came out of urgency, but I have never done this before and have no idea where and how, so if you can do it please do it.)
[13:19:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> What andre said ^
[13:19:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Ok then: I have developed a script for Wikidata, I need interface admin to make it into a gadget. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <multichill> Tohaomg : Age old wisdom of IRC: don't ask if someone can help you, just ask the question what you actually need help with. :-))
[13:20:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <andreklapper> on which website? (re @Tohaomg: Ok then: I have developed a script for Wikidata, I need interface admin to make it into a gadget.)
[13:20:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Wikidata (re @andreklapper: on which website?)
[13:21:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> For sure it would not be up to instant implementation...however I am also curious of what could be technology to use to 'graylist' abusive admins? (re @andreklapper: I was mostly confused why it was tagged for the Hackathon. :) Technically, I guess it's about adding another config value which might change some CSS or such.
[13:21:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> But I'd usually not recommend working on something that visible and potentially controversial before having had some broader discussion)
[13:22:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> CSS + Mediawiki:Sitenotice sounds sensible. And probably changing wgLogo
[13:23:07] <Majavah>	 @Tohaomg: looks like you can just file a ticket at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1278/
[13:23:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <pharosofalexandria> Your 
[13:23:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <pharosofalexandria> Wikimedia project user accounts are now all enabled at Wikispore, thanks to #wmhack! Please give it a try, and sign up at our Guestbook: https://join.wikispore.org
[13:24:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> I sure hope so... (re @RhinosF1: CSS + Mediawiki:Sitenotice sounds sensible. And probably changing wgLogo)
[13:25:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> It needs to be something the admins can’t change (re @zBlace: I sure hope so...)
[13:25:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> So i18n based things that can be changed on wiki woukdnt work
[13:25:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <zBlace> Yep (re @RhinosF1: It needs to be something the admins can’t change)
[13:36:04] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Can wikibase-api and mediawiki-api be used alongside each other on the same project? I'm getting some fun dependency verison issues when I try and composer require it. https://gist.github.com/lewiscawte/5c1ed47e2d41bcdb308566cfe86dc58f#file-gistfile1-txt
[13:36:30] <addshore>	 they can be, which versions are you using?
[13:36:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> Jarek Would you like to add this to the showcase? (re @Jan_ainali: An idea that popped up in Jitsi, a lua module that just converts tabular data on Commons into a basic table.)
[13:37:06] <Reedy>	 addshore: Conflicting ones, apparently :P
[13:37:14] <addshore>	 shhh Reedy 
[13:37:32] <addshore>	 Lcawte: here is an example of some verisons that would work together https://github.com/addwiki/wikimedia-commands/blob/master/composer.json
[13:38:01] <addshore>	 the libraries are just about to go through another round of releases, I'v been working on stuff @ https://github.com/addwiki/addwiki/tree/monoRepo
[13:38:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jarek> sure (re @Jan_ainali: Jarek Would you like to add this to the showcase?)
[13:39:25] <Lcawte>	 Yeah, so it was 0.7.3 for mediawiki-api and it was trying to install 0.7 for wikibase-api ... so if I understand composer correctly (which I very likely don't) ... got to downgrade mediawiki-base?
[13:41:58] <Lcawte>	 That did it :)
[13:47:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Ok, following your advice, here is a phabricator ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252338 (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Majavah> @Tohaomg: looks like you can just file a ticket at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1278/)
[13:49:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> And do not forget to sign up for showcase: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[13:50:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <xqt_pwb> There are several Phabricator tasks for this issue, e.g. T249622. In summary: too many bots (for the given infrastructure) with insufficient edit rate limits I guess. (re @Angelobregon: I've had this problem for two months, what's the reason? In January I could do 40 editions per minute, now 5-6...)
[13:50:02] <stashbot>	 T249622: Make separate maxlag config value for Wikidata until T243701 solved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249622
[13:51:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <bd808> Sorry @tehreedy, I ate all of the fried cauliflower. Next week I will try to save some. ;) (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> bd808: Are you mailing mine?)
[13:51:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> Does it make sense to somewhere add a link to the the Data file on Commons? That would make it easier for editors to fix things (like translating, or checking sources) (re @Jarek: sure)
[13:53:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jarek> sure I will do that (re @Jan_ainali: Does it make sense to somewhere add a link to the the Data file on Commons? That would make it easier for editors to fix things (like translating, or checking sources))
[13:58:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <amire80> I kind of hoped I'll participate in the remote hackathon, but being locked with two children at home it's not quite possible :(
[13:59:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> I have put into on live article to see how it can look like: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dricksvatten#Tillg%C3%A5ng_p%C3%A5_dricksvatten (re @Jarek: sure I will do that)
[13:59:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <amire80> But I do want to do something minimal, so here's a super-trivial patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/595261/
[13:59:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <amire80> And here's another super-trivial patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/595018/
[14:01:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jarek> that looks good (re @Jan_ainali: I have put into on live article to see how it can look like: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dricksvatten#Tillg%C3%A5ng_p%C3%A5_dricksvatten)
[14:02:23] <RhinosF1>	 bd808: I think bash.toolforge.org has some duplicates. I noticed bias in the random function and now looking through page by page I think it’s just dupes.
[14:02:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Reminder: the showcase takes place at 19:00 CEST (in 3 hours). If you want to present something, don't forget to register here before 18:00! https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[14:03:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Angelobregon> Thanks!! (re @xqt_pwb: There are several Phabricator tasks for this issue, e.g. T249622. In summary: too many bots (for the given infrastructure) with insufficient edit rate limits I guess.)
[14:03:11] <stashbot>	 T249622: Make separate maxlag config value for Wikidata until T243701 solved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249622
[14:03:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maria> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/e8b2ca23/file_144_oga.ogg
[14:09:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Hi folks - I created an etherpad for the session, please add more! @Jan_ainali @IVeertje (re @Jarek: sure I will do that)
[14:10:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> No worries it's been hard for a lot of us! And it's Mother's Day weekend in the US, so that's been suboptimal :) Keep hacking when you get the time (re @amire80: I kind of hoped I'll participate in the remote hackathon, but being locked with two children at home it's not quite possible :()
[14:11:27] <Yupik>	 Mother's day here in Finland too.
[14:14:19] <Yupik>	 but life's easier with teenagers :D
[14:14:54] <multichill>	 I just noticed on https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:2020_04_05_St._Johannes_Baptist_(Anrath)_(7).jpg&diff=prev&oldid=418435388 that different language fallback chains are used
[14:15:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> Well thats something I've never heard any parent say lol
[14:15:19] <multichill>	 In the edit summary the German label becomes visible, in the diff, you just get the Q1478524
[14:15:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> @Auregann we have a new Wikiproject! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Speed_skating
[14:16:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> You might get a Dutch invasion here :-) (re @Harmonia: @Auregann we have a new Wikiproject! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Speed_skating)
[14:16:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> LOL. Compared to twin boys under 10 who want to destroy each other every 5 minutes with makeshift weapons, I think I'll take the teenagers and their mopey ways :) (re @Lewis: Well thats something I've never heard any parent say lol)
[14:17:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> that may be one reason why I made the announcement here :D (re @Maarten: You might get a Dutch invasion here :-))
[14:17:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Please register for mingling and showcase at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020
[14:17:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> We have a 50 attendee limit. So be there or be square!
[14:17:53] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Idea for next year - Wikimedia Hackathon Parent Corner/Venting Room :) (re @Lewis: Well thats something I've never heard any parent say lol)
[14:18:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Congratulations! I added it in the newsletter :) (re @Harmonia: @Auregann we have a new Wikiproject! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Speed_skating)
[14:18:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> :)
[14:19:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Please register for mingling and showcase at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020
[14:19:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> This starts at 18:30 CEST. We have a 50 attendee limit. So be there or be square!
[14:20:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Can someone stream it too so all of us can see it at least ? (re @siebrand: Please register for mingling and showcase at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020
[14:20:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> This starts at 18:30 CEST. We have a 50 attendee limit. So be there or be square!)
[14:20:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Like when we hit >50
[14:21:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> great idea!
[14:25:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> We're working on the best technical solution right now to make sure that everyone can access :)
[14:27:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> There will probably be a YouTube live stream, but only 50 people will be able to mingle. People that want to present in the showcase MUST be present in Remo, and to be able to be present in Remo, but must register.
[14:32:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Agree with amir. I have three kids making all my time busy. (re @amire80: I kind of hoped I'll participate in the remote hackathon, but being locked with two children at home it's not quite possible :()
[14:32:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jarek> Trying to count files in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_PermissionOTRS_template_but_without_P6305_SDC_statement .  Category shows 3,076 files but a SQL query https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/44774 shows 27,048. Anybody know why?
[14:36:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> I will miss the show case time.
[14:36:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Like to share my work here
[14:36:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252212
[14:36:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Wrote a custom Prometheus exporter for indic Wikipedia metrics, so that we can cross compare the status of various wikis.
[14:36:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Built a grafana dashboard to display few graphs.
[14:36:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Code - https://github.com/tshrinivasan/indicwiki_stats_exporter
[14:36:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Grafana dashboard - http://139.59.47.5:3000/d/kx1Pb36Zz/indic-wiki-stats
[14:36:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> No worries! It’s just great to see everyone :) (re @tshrinivasan: Agree with amir. I have three kids making all my time busy.)
[14:37:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> “See” hehe :)
[14:37:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Will continue to improve by adding more wiki's and more stats
[14:37:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Share your thoughts here or on the phabricator task
[14:38:38] <Lcawte>	 addshore: How much new stuff is coming in 0.8 of wikibase-api lol... Dropped back a version and it looks like a different API ;)
[14:39:11] * addshore Lcawte: quite some :P https://github.com/addwiki/wikibase-api/compare/0.7...master
[14:39:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> It’s been great fun @RachelFarrand. 
[14:39:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> I’ve certainly given myself a few things to busy myself with for a week.
[14:39:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> can you send the link to register? it seems it is not that one (re @siebrand: Please register for mingling and showcase at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020
[14:39:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> This starts at 18:30 CEST. We have a 50 attendee limit. So be there or be square!)
[14:40:19] <addshore>	 Lcawte: lets look at which version dependancy it was yelling about *scrolls up*
[14:41:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Hackathon main page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2020/Remote_Hackathon
[14:41:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Register for mingling and showcase at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register
[14:41:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Etherpad for showcase: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[14:41:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Default jitsi videoconference room: https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack
[14:41:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> I guess the "save me a spot" button wasn't obvious enough. Try https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register (re @Nattes: can you send the link to register? it seems it is not that one)
[14:41:52] <addshore>	 Lcawte: Installation request for addwiki/mediawiki-datamodel (locked at 0.8.0) what is locking that at 0.8.0 ?
[14:42:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> @tonythomas01 please, what are we listening to now?
[14:42:45] <addshore>	 Lcawte: I could make the 0.8.0 release now? :)
[14:43:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> this does not work for two of us. It says my PV is too old although it's brand new :/ (re @siebrand: I guess the "save me a spot" button wasn't obvious enough. Try https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register)
[14:43:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> What is "PV"? (re @Nattes: this does not work for two of us. It says my PV is too old although it's brand new :/)
[14:44:07] <Lcawte>	 Uhh, sure, I just downgraded, not even gotten to rewriting the code to (in theory) get/lookup an item.
[14:44:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> PC
[14:44:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Wow, does that mean you like the track ? 🤔 (re @igorabsorto: @tonythomas01 please, what are we listening to now?)
[14:44:23] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> PC (re @siebrand: What is "PV"?)
[14:44:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Only Chrome, Safari, iOS and Android Chome are supported. Are you using any of those? (re @Nattes: PC)
[14:45:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> Ah
[14:45:14] <addshore>	 Lcawte: 0.8.0 done
[14:45:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> I was on firefox
[14:45:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> yepp (re @tonythomas01: Wow, does that mean you like the track ? 🤔)
[14:45:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Nattes : See http://help.remo.co/en/articles/3605986-what-mobile-devices-and-mobile-browsers-are-supported-on-remo-conference for details.
[14:46:11] <Lcawte>	 Not sure if it was the Untappd or the temprature in my room all day, but, the headache today is real :(
[14:46:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Nattes : See http://help.remo.co/en/articles/3605986-what-mobile-devices-and-mobile-browsers-are-supported-on-remo-conference and http://help.remo.co/en/articles/3537539-what-desktop-operating-systems-os-and-browsers-are-supported for details.
[14:47:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> The whole set is amazing. But I'm also curious to investigate the sample used in the current track. I heard some interesting portuguese lyrics that must come from some very old portugues or brazilian song. (re @tonythomas01: Wow, does that mean you like the track ? 🤔)
[14:47:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> hahah. Okey, link on the stream comments now. Its a mix from Fabian Tanz from their team tanzoase. Swedish I guess and they call it “Spiritual Minimal” (re @igorabsorto: yepp)
[14:49:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> thank you! I would comment over there so I don't hijack the conversation here, but one must be logged in on twitch to be able to say something. (re @tonythomas01: hahah. Okey, link on the stream comments now. Its a mix from Fabian Tanz from their team tanzoase. Swedish I guess and they call it “Spiritual Minimal”)
[14:49:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Oh nice! Can you put that info at the bottom of the file? I made a section for ppl to document their stuff even if they cannot present (re @tshrinivasan: I will miss the show case time.
[14:49:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Like to share my work here
[14:49:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252212
[14:49:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Wrote a custom Prometheus exporter for indic Wikipedia metrics, so that we can cross compare the status of various wikis.
[14:49:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Built a grafana dashboard to display few graphs.
[14:49:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Code - https://github.com/tshrinivasan/indicwiki_stats_exporter
[14:49:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Grafana dashboard - http://139.59.47.5:3000/d/kx1Pb36Zz/indic-wiki-stats)
[14:49:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <IVeertje> 😍 (re @Harmonia: @Auregann we have a new Wikiproject! https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Speed_skating)
[14:49:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020 (re @tshrinivasan: I will miss the show case time.
[14:49:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Like to share my work here
[14:49:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252212
[14:49:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Wrote a custom Prometheus exporter for indic Wikipedia metrics, so that we can cross compare the status of various wikis.
[14:49:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Built a grafana dashboard to display few graphs.
[14:50:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Code - https://github.com/tshrinivasan/indicwiki_stats_exporter
[14:50:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Grafana dashboard - http://139.59.47.5:3000/d/kx1Pb36Zz/indic-wiki-stats)
[14:51:45] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Is the packagist build automatic, or are you working on that?
[14:51:51] <addshore>	 it should be automatic
[14:52:10] <addshore>	 let me poke it
[14:53:02] <addshore>	 Lcawte: done!
[14:55:50] <Lcawte>	 There we go, took a minute for composer to realise that it had actually been updated at packagist, no errors :D
[14:56:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> In the Showcase Etherpad
[14:56:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> > Presentation #12: SendToKindle Button
[14:56:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> I read “Send to Krinkle Button” >_> cc Timo
[14:56:25] <addshore>	 Lcawte: awesome! I don't believe i havnt release that packge in so long ....
[15:01:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <elishacohen> Workshop starting now! Come discuss wikipedia/media wiki with the technical wishes team :) 
[15:01:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <elishacohen> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252102
[15:06:34] <Lcawte>	 addshore: So using the code from the README, the newEntityRedirectLookup method seems to be missing (L41 - https://gist.github.com/lewiscawte/a396960798914ee29b36157e56116bff)
[15:06:49] <addshore>	 Lcawte: I dont think any of it works with lexemes :/
[15:07:15] <addshore>	 the wikibase stuff takes advantages of the datamodel and serialization libraries that are split out from Wikibase
[15:07:21] <addshore>	 unfortunatly the lexeme stuff isnt split out yet
[15:09:41] <Lcawte>	 I wasn't entirely sure it was relevant anyway... so can I just drop it if I know the item ids and just want to go get a bunch of (*pulls Wikidata page to find out terms*) properties with their values and qualifiers from a item?
[15:10:29] <Lcawte>	 Also, Bug 1? :P
[15:10:36] <addshore>	 yes, bug 1 indeed
[15:11:17] <addshore>	 oh wait, L41, hah, I thought that was refering to lexemes, but you meant the line xD Let me look again
[15:12:16] <addshore>	 Lcawte: it looks like there is no newEntityRedirectLookup in that factory indeed :P
[15:12:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> We have 16 people registered for the mingling and showcase. Please sign up at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register. We would like to have as many people as possbile attend, because it's also the first time we're using Remo in this setting.
[15:12:56] <addshore>	 Lcawte: do new EntityRedirectApiLookup( $api ) for now :)
[15:13:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> It says I already signed up. is that from our test still? (re @siebrand: We have 16 people registered for the mingling and showcase. Please sign up at https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register. We would like to have as many people as possbile attend, because it's also the first time we're using Remo in this setting.)
[15:13:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> I think so, was the same for me
[15:14:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> I think you can re-use that indeed. (re @Jan_ainali: It says I already signed up. is that from our test still?)
[15:14:43] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Do I need it?
[15:14:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> I think you can re-use that indeed. I kept rescheduling the event, so I wouldn't have to configure it from scratch. (re @Jan_ainali: It says I already signed up. is that from our test still?)
[15:17:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <hayify> I won't be able to attend the showcase, but i did make something during the hackathon. It's not quite ready yet to put online (i still want to add a couple of things and fix some bugs), but it's basically a search engine for images with Structured Data on Commons. I've made a screen capture of the current state here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNxYMeAECtQ&feature=youtu.be
[15:18:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <hayify> This is basically a wrapper around the 'haswbstatement' search filter on Commons, but with a user interface that's a bit more intuitive.
[15:18:23] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jane023> cool
[15:20:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> Remo hates Firefox, apparently
[15:20:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Would it be possible to add a voice over? Then we might be able to broadcast that. (re @hayify: I won't be able to attend the showcase, but i did make something during the hackathon. It's not quite ready yet to put online (i still want to add a couple of things and fix some bugs), but it's basically a search engine for images with Structured Data on Commons. I've made a screen capture of the current st
[15:20:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <hayify> Sure, i'll make a new version! (re @siebrand: Would it be possible to add a voice over? Then we might be able to broadcast that.)
[15:20:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> I think it's about WebRTC support and video and voice, but I'm not sure. (re @lucaswerkmeister: Remo hates Firefox, apparently)
[15:21:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Kewl. In that case please just sign up for the showcase, and I'll make sure it gets broadcast. (re @hayify: Sure, i'll make a new version!)
[15:21:53] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> If I manage to get that done. This is basically an experiment and you're all guinea pigs.
[15:22:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> NEAT! (re @hayify: This is basically a wrapper around the 'haswbstatement' search filter on Commons, but with a user interface that's a bit more intuitive.)
[15:22:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Yeah it's a Chrome beast (re @lucaswerkmeister: Remo hates Firefox, apparently)
[15:23:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <AndraWaagmeester> @TiagoLubiana Nicolas I tried to make a short demo of the entityschema's on hospitals in Wikidata, where I used your SPARQL query for hospitals in France and Brazil as input: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8iDHtW5ZMU
[15:24:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> well, I registered
[15:24:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> we’ll see if it works in Firefox, I guess…
[15:26:22] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> ok I went to the settings and it seems to recognize the webcam and microphone 🤷
[15:28:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> thank you ❤️ (re @AndraWaagmeester: @TiagoLubiana Nicolas I tried to make a short demo of the entityschema's on hospitals in Wikidata, where I used your SPARQL query for hospitals in France and Brazil as input: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8iDHtW5ZMU)
[15:28:53] <Lcawte>	 addshore: I bet your glad you suggested this thing to me ;) Not sure this is related to my project exactly, but, its using the code in the README which is suggested for everyone - https://gist.github.com/lewiscawte/5db3175f54b76b23db7e146049e98c61
[15:29:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Nattes @WMYupik FYI :) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T251720#6122770
[15:29:30] <addshore>	 are you requiring GlobeCoordinateValue package in your composer.json ?
[15:30:00] <addshore>	 Lcawte: see all the data-values things in https://github.com/addwiki/wikimedia-commands/blob/master/composer.json
[15:33:23] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Of course I'm not, because your documentation doesn't say I have to require a bunch more packages :P
[15:33:31] <addshore>	 :D
[15:34:04] <addshore>	 Lcawte: yeah, im planing on putting all of the packages in a mono repo so I can stay on to of them more easily, then it'll just be 1 project to me rather than 10
[15:34:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <librarian_lena> I’ve been dreaming of this feature! Thank you!! (re @hayify: This is basically a wrapper around the 'haswbstatement' search filter on Commons, but with a user interface that's a bit more intuitive.)
[15:34:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <hayify> ❤ (re @librarian_lena: I’ve been dreaming of this feature! Thank you!!)
[15:36:58] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Do I need globecoordinates? Is it going to die horribly if an item has a coordinate value and I don't?
[15:37:21] <addshore>	 Yeah, you basically need them alllll for wikidata
[15:38:04] <Lcawte>	 My poor 3 euro VPS...
[15:40:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> seen and approved! (re @AndraWaagmeester: @TiagoLubiana Nicolas I tried to make a short demo of the entityschema's on hospitals in Wikidata, where I used your SPARQL query for hospitals in France and Brazil as input: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8iDHtW5ZMU)
[15:41:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <TiagoLubiana> great! (re @AndraWaagmeester: @TiagoLubiana Nicolas I tried to make a short demo of the entityschema's on hospitals in Wikidata, where I used your SPARQL query for hospitals in France and Brazil as input: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8iDHtW5ZMU)
[15:43:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <AndraWaagmeester> After the group photo there will be a more extensive tutorial (in spanish), which can be followed live @https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfOY4U_QRc (ht @fuzheado for pointing me to streamyard. This was a test run
[15:43:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> If you want to present at the showcase, don't forget to sign up here in the next minutes https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020 - slots #2, #6, #18, #19, #20 are still available :) Also, please join Remo a bit before the event starts, so you can get used to the interface.
[15:45:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Are you going to run your own streamyard session or do you need help? @Jan_ainali @pharosofalexandria (re @AndraWaagmeester: After the group photo there will be a more extensive tutorial (in spanish), which can be followed live @https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfOY4U_QRc (ht @fuzheado for pointing me to streamyard. This was a test run)
[15:46:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <MxLucy> Nice! (re @hayify: This is basically a wrapper around the 'haswbstatement' search filter on Commons, but with a user interface that's a bit more intuitive.)
[15:47:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> Probably a stupid question but… what would be the most Toolforge-esque way to pass en environment variables to a toolforge web service?
[15:47:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> (I’ll just hardcode the toolforge value for now so not stuck ; but wondering in general. Does not seem to be an option in the new service.template either?) (re @JeanFred: Probably a stupid question but… what would be the most Toolforge-esque way to pass en environment variables to a toolforge web service?)
[15:47:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> hey @IVeertje you added your name to presentation #8 and #9 here, are you going to use the two slots? https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[15:48:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <AndraWaagmeester> I am preparing to stream one myself, but if this fits your channel, by all means let us join forces. I do have a youtube url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfOY4U_QRc, but I think we can still switch.
[15:53:40] <Lcawte>	 derp, was wondering why I was getting errors about wbgetentities not being valid... helps if you're actually querying the Wikidata API, and not enwiki.
[15:54:38] <Yupik>	 who was the one doing the group photo? since I'm stuck without a camera, you could use this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMNO_member.jpg
[15:54:59] <Yupik>	 looks nothing like me, so it should be suitable :D
[15:56:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Group photo session starts in 5 minutes at https://meet.google.com/suk-huxa-iqe
[15:58:38] <Lcawte>	 legoktm: Oh, and another thing that needs some sort of job queue runner... SMW when it decides it wants to do another update of every article in a 10000 article + wiki :|
[16:01:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Hackathon GROUP PHOTO NOW: https://meet.google.com/suk-huxa-iqe
[16:03:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> photo is "one by one" (and will be stitched together after)
[16:04:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> so don't worry, you can come a bit later
[16:04:29] <Yupik>	 since a number of us having broken cameras, it'd be good to give people the option to participate without having to be in the Google meetup
[16:04:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> (because there is too much people ;) )
[16:04:44] <Yupik>	 or just because they don't want to participate via Google :D
[16:04:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Oh by all means go ahead with your own stream if it's all set up (re @AndraWaagmeester: I am preparing to stream one myself, but if this fits your channel, by all means let us join forces. I do have a youtube url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfOY4U_QRc, but I think we can still switch.)
[16:05:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <gnoeee> Yup.. .the gadget is awesome... Works for me... (re @Tohaomg: Ok then: I have developed a script for Wikidata, I need interface admin to make it into a gadget.)
[16:07:22] <multichill>	 Group photo is one by one so you can just drop in
[16:07:29] <multichill>	 Later gets stitched together
[16:07:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> I have to say that this Group photo idea was fun and novel. Shout out to the organizers
[16:08:22] <Yupik>	 multichill: it's hard to drop in with a broken camera :D
[16:09:51] <multichill>	 You can take a selfie and share it so it can be added? ;-)
[16:11:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> This might just be the most interesting Wikimania/media Hackathon photos yet ;)
[16:12:20] <bd808>	 German speakers: is "wobble" a reasonable English translation for "wudele"? I don't trust google translate. ;) Asking related to JeanFred's new tool -- https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tool:Wudele -- https://wudele.toolforge.org/
[16:12:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> never heard of wudele tbh
[16:13:21] <bd808>	 maybe I imagined it was German origin!
[16:13:35] <Yupik>	 multichill: hence the url I added above
[16:13:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> google turns up some traditional things (alpine region I guess?) but the tool is already on page 1
[16:14:28] <tonythomas>	 bd808: now I see you here, can I push you to get me a repo at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/New_repositories/Requests (its at the  bottom)  
[16:14:29] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Okay cool, I've got an object with all the thingz. What class/file am I going to find the functions to get all the individual bits of data I want that doesn't require me writing like a dozen foreach loops? :P
[16:14:43] <tonythomas>	 or who does these ? I know back in the day Chad used to do it. 
[16:15:13] <addshore>	 Lcawte: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel and things below, your have an ide with suggestiosn though right?
[16:15:29] <addshore>	 Lcawte: https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/blob/master/src/Entity/Item.php is a good place to start
[16:15:35] <addshore>	 what are you trying to get at exactly?
[16:15:49] <bd808>	 tonythomas: I am not a gerrit admin. :) You might check with paladox. I think qchris still handles most of those requests
[16:16:35] <Lcawte>	 addshore: Primarily all the data on political offices... you'd have though by now those property numbers would be burned into my skull, but, not yet ;)
[16:16:37] <tonythomas>	 bd808: alright. Thanks then. 
[16:16:56] <paladox>	 I can create a repo (though i don't have the power to create the github repo).
[16:17:35] <addshore>	 Lcawte: $item->getStatements() gets you a https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/blob/master/src/Statement/StatementList.php
[16:17:41] <addshore>	 Lcawte: dinner now o/
[16:17:45] <tonythomas>	 paladox: great. okey, thats halfway.  
[16:18:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> @Tohaomg Can you please give me priority for the pictire taking? I need to make some other prep too.
[16:19:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> come in to https://meet.google.com/suk-huxa-iqe
[16:20:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Waiting for 10 minutes already to be let in (re @Tohaomg: come in to https://meet.google.com/suk-huxa-iqe)
[16:22:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> I do not see any notifications from you. Try again (re @siebrand: Waiting for 10 minutes already to be let in)
[16:22:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Done. 3rd time. (re @Tohaomg: I do not see any notifications from you. Try again)
[16:23:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> the mystery of Google Meet are really very mysterious...
[16:23:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> I still do not see, lets try in another meeting - https://meet.google.com/fcp-uufk-ttt (re @siebrand: Done. 3rd time.)
[16:23:57] <paladox>	 tonythomas https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/labs/tools/gdrive-to-commons
[16:24:19] <tonythomas>	 woah. thank you :) paladox that was quick. 
[16:24:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> if the pictures are to be stitched, why use Google Meet at all and not just have everyone submit a selfie?
[16:24:58] <paladox>	 yw :)
[16:25:07] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> *shivers* Selfies.
[16:26:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> a screenshot of your video feed in Google Meet *is* a selfie anyway (re @Lewis: *shivers* Selfies.)
[16:27:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Ok, those who participated:
[16:27:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> because people don't do it and never send the selfie ; and when they do they're not consistent
[16:27:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> and because it was fun to be all together and giggle when Anton took the picture ;) (re @Ash_Crow: if the pictures are to be stitched, why use Google Meet at all and not just have everyone submit a selfie?)
[16:27:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/4495293a/file_145.jpg
[16:27:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> @Ash_Crow and the others who add trouble joining,  feel free to send a selfie ;)
[16:27:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> Yes but waiting to be admitted in is not fun. (re @Nicolas: because people don't do it and never send the selfie ; and when they do they're not consistent
[16:27:47] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> and because it was fun to be all together and giggle when Anton took the picture ;))
[16:28:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> woah. Look at that
[16:28:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> Not according to the first two dictionary sites I looked at  ;) (re @Ash_Crow: a screenshot of your video feed in Google Meet *is* a selfie anyway)
[16:28:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> I told you @Tohaomg I'm twice ;) the second one is better though ;) (re @Tohaomg: )
[16:28:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> My rough experience: I am still begging people to upload photos from uawikicon 2018,so  I do not expect everybody to send a picture right today
[16:28:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> Keep both! (re @Nicolas: I told you @Tohaomg I'm twice ;) the second one is better though ;))
[16:29:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> WahHOo thats amazing !! (re @Tohaomg: )
[16:29:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> :D (re @RachelFarrand: Keep both!)
[16:29:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> great, Nicolas! thanks (re @Nicolas: @Ash_Crow and the others who add trouble joining,  feel free to send a selfie ;))
[16:29:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Anyone else wants to join? I will be waiting for another 5 minutes
[16:29:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> What are you waiting for?
[16:29:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Thank you @Tohaomg :D
[16:29:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> people to join for the group photo ;) (re @Andre: What are you waiting for?)
[16:30:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> When you boost your hackathon numbers by hiding someone's duplicate photos in six places throughout the collage ;)
[16:30:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> The venue is now open for mingling. Come on have a look, and take a search at your table of choice! https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register
[16:30:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> For me to join, someone will have to let me in
[16:30:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> I don't have trouble joining in. I'm waiting to be *allowed* to join in. (re @Nicolas: @Ash_Crow and the others who add trouble joining,  feel free to send a selfie ;))
[16:30:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> https://meet.google.com/suk-huxa-iqe (re @Andre: For me to join, someone will have to let me in)
[16:30:29] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Andre> Me too (re @Ash_Crow: I don't have trouble joining in. I'm waiting to be *allowed* to join in.)
[16:30:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> yes, but that's the strange point, Anton doesn't have a notification so there is nothing to allow... this is *trouble* lato sensu (re @Ash_Crow: I don't have trouble joining in. I'm waiting to be *allowed* to join in.)
[16:30:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> The venue is now open for mingling. Come on have a look, and take a seat at your table of choice! https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register
[16:31:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> Same (re @Andre: Me too)
[16:31:18] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Try this one - https://meet.google.com/fcp-uufk-ttt (re @Andre: Me too)
[16:31:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> @JeanFred @Ash_Crow Andre maybe use an other browser (Firefox has notably some trouble with Google Meet apparently...)
[16:31:56] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> So where are people supposed to send their selfies...
[16:32:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> That’s on Chrome already ; on Firefox I gave up already (re @Nicolas: @JeanFred @Ash_Crow Andre maybe use an other browser (Firefox has notably some trouble with Google Meet apparently...))
[16:32:53] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> maybe try an other one? I'm as confused as you...
[16:33:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> sand them to @Tohaomg (re @WMYupik: So where are people supposed to send their selfies...)
[16:33:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> send them to @Tohaomg (re @WMYupik: So where are people supposed to send their selfies...)
[16:33:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> I think I’m in the Remo thing, in the Wikidata room… where should I go for the showcase?
[16:33:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> (Maybe use a jitsi or bbb channel for those who cannot join the Google Meet one ?)
[16:34:30] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> anyone else or I am finishing?
[16:34:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> You mean, Google Meet has trouble with Firefox? (re @Nicolas: @JeanFred @Ash_Crow Andre maybe use an other browser (Firefox has notably some trouble with Google Meet apparently...))
[16:35:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> just do it;) (re @Ash_Crow: (Maybe use a jitsi or bbb channel for those who cannot join the Google Meet one ?))
[16:35:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> I think I'll just not bother to resend it. But for other people, it'd be good to know. (re @Nicolas: send them to @Tohaomg)
[16:35:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ash_Crow> I was able to join on the last link provided ^^ (re @Nicolas: just do it;))
[16:36:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Anyone who has not been photographed and wants to, go to https://meet.google.com/fcp-uufk-ttt i will be thre another 5 minutes
[16:39:30] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> I can’t join, it’s hanging at "waiting to be allowed ; will send you a pic via Telegram (re @Tohaomg: Anyone who has not been photographed and wants to, go to https://meet.google.com/fcp-uufk-ttt i will be thre another 5 minutes)
[16:47:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> The venue is now open for mingling. Come on have a look, and take a seat at your table of choice together with already close to 30 others! https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020/register.
[16:49:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Csisc1994> I will be presenting my work on lightning talks session within a few minutes.
[16:50:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Csisc1994> See you.
[16:50:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Firefox doesn't work great with Remo, if you can, use another browser instead
[16:50:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> Anyone got some nice frontend framework suggestions? My go to is bootstrap, but, if you know of something better, I'm looking for something to use on this project that may eventually end up on labs somewhere ;)
[16:53:13] <bd808>	 https://live.remo.co/e/wikimedia-remote-hackathon-2020 -- pretty fun tool. Come join in time for the showcases at the top of the hour (17:00 UTC, 19:00 CEST)
[16:55:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Added. Thanks (re @fuzheado: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020)
[16:57:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> When you are in Remo, just wait there (re @lucaswerkmeister: I think I’m in the Remo thing, in the Wikidata room… where should I go for the showcase?)
[16:58:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> Everyone who will present on the showcase, join Remo now
[16:58:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> will it be streamed somewhere not requiring to register?
[16:58:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> It will be streamed on Youtube
[16:58:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> do we already have the link for the Youtube stream?
[16:59:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> I'll post the link here as soon as it's available
[16:59:15] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> ❤️
[17:00:35] <bd808>	 Gopa: https://lingualibre.fr/wiki/LinguaLibre:Main_Page is the audio tool I was trying to remember
[17:01:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> The showcase is starting!
[17:01:22] <Gopa>	 bd808: that's cool:)
[17:01:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> Siebrand is giving an overview about how everything will work
[17:01:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> Join us! :)
[17:01:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> We started!: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a5cc00f0/file_146.jpg
[17:07:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E19-sDvjXD8 (re @Harmonia: do we already have the link for the Youtube stream?)
[17:07:22] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Harmonia> thanks! (re @Jan_ainali: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E19-sDvjXD8)
[17:11:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> I'm little nervous during presentation, Is everything alright ?
[17:12:20] <Ciell>	 It was perfect Gopa ;) 
[17:12:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Stuart_Prior> yeah all good (re @Gopa_Vasanth: I'm little nervous during presentation, Is everything alright ?)
[17:13:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> WooW thanks  for your words ! 😃
[17:15:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Very well Gopa! Awesome tool you build
[17:15:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Stuart_Prior> Ciell this is great
[17:16:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Yeah, her pink shoes are great :) (re @Stuart_Prior: Ciell this is great)
[17:17:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Thank you marteen, You should try it out and report bugs in phab if you find any :P
[17:22:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Who is Csisc? I need the name they're in Remo with. PM possible.
[17:22:41] <Ciell>	 Thanks Stuart :) 
[17:23:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Please, afterwards write instructions how to enable and use tools you developed
[17:24:14] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> +1 :) (re @Tohaomg: Please, afterwards write instructions how to enable and use tools you developed)
[17:26:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gabriel> hello friends, if you are interested in doing NLP with wikipedia I've been tracking a project to convert wikitext into plaintext while preserving link offsets here https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252271
[17:27:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gabriel> just submitted an initial PR to the python-mwtext package here https://github.com/mediawiki-utilities/python-mwtext/pull/4
[17:30:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> You did great! (re @Gopa_Vasanth: I'm little nervous during presentation, Is everything alright ?)
[17:38:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <MxLucy> This is so inspirational to watch, you guys are awesome
[17:39:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <MxLucy> Guys in the most inclusive way..
[17:41:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Csisc1994> Was our presentation about using SPARQL to validate Wikidata useful.
[17:41:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Well done @manimaran_k
[17:42:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Csisc1994> I tried to let it short
[17:43:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> All participants: if you have more links to try, install your tools, etc. even in the days to come, please add them to the pad! https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmhackshowcase2020
[17:44:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Thanks from the documentation people of the future :)
[17:45:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Thanks for the nice tool. Will use it. Great job. (re @Gopa_Vasanth: Thank you marteen, You should try it out and report bugs in phab if you find any :P)
[17:47:14] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> Yw :) (re @tshrinivasan: Thanks for the nice tool. Will use it. Great job.)
[18:09:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Q&A right now in Remo
[18:09:53] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a9ba10e8/file_147.jpg
[18:10:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <MxLucy> I love how inclusive it is when it is remotely. It is so much easier to join
[18:14:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> Our beloved organisers on Remo!: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/03328677/file_148.jpg
[18:15:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> ahah, same idea ;) (re @fuzheado: Q&A right now in Remo)
[18:17:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> This is going to end with lots of crashed PCs
[18:17:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> and now we are trying to break Remo :D: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a3c8e0ea/file_149.jpg
[18:17:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> btw, @Stuart_Prior are the only organizer whose photo I do not have yet
[18:18:29] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Link to the feedback page, please take a few minutes to add comments here, it's super important to us and for future events! Thanks <3 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2020/Remote_Hackathon/Feedback
[18:19:25] <Lcawte>	 One of these days, I'll have a project somewhere near ready to present by the end of a hackathon ;)
[18:19:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> my browser was killed by too much enthusiasm haha, thanks everyone
[18:20:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Stuart_Prior> yeah I could barely type in the chat
[18:22:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tshrinivasan> Thanks all for the great event
[18:22:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> That's weird that they just let you keep adding ppl until your browser barfs :) (re @Auregann: my browser was killed by too much enthusiasm haha, thanks everyone)
[18:22:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> I think we had it up to 22 or so
[18:26:18] <bd808>	 thanks for the great showcase everyone!
[18:34:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> btw, at https://www.twitch.tv/tonythomas01 - I increased the tempo to make it a bit more party like. You can still listen it, buy caution: can affect work 😄
[18:35:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Lewis> What happened there?
[18:36:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> I lost internet for a second actually. Wow. (re @Lewis: What happened there?)
[18:36:29] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Ahh
[18:36:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Oh that was a horrible idea, why did I set a username, now I'm getting pings on IRC every time I send a message.
[18:37:29] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> btw, at https://www.twitch.tv/tonythomas01 - I increased the tempo to make it a bit more party like. You can still listen it, but caution: can affect work 😄
[18:39:55] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Metasj> 🌱☘️⚔️ (re @Auregann: my browser was killed by too much enthusiasm haha, thanks everyone)
[18:41:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <manimaran_k> 👍 (re @tshrinivasan: Well done @manimaran_k)
[18:41:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> welcome @Metasj !
[18:43:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Metasj> Hello Jan!! I see this is where all the real delight is :)
[18:44:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> This was epic! :-) (re @Nicolas: )
[18:48:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> People who want to keep socilaizing? Go to https://meet.wmcloud.org/wmhack
[18:51:13] <Lcawte>	 Somehow over the course of the weeknd I forgot how I wanted this frontend I've been busy building the backend for, to look/work... :| 
[18:52:32] <Lcawte>	 Is there a way to "tag" articles in Wikidata, like on enwiki you might use a Mbox or something to put stuff in to a category? Or is it just a case of making lists and things?
[19:01:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> Really amazing fun inspirational awesome weekend everyone! I loved seeing everyone and sharing the time with you. :) I know it’s getting repetitive - but PLEASE add feedback and ideas. :)
[19:01:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> it was a great experiment ! Thank you!
[19:03:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> I'm sure you're probably bored of linking it already, but, I've not been paying attention, where's the feedback form? :P
[19:05:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Thank you from me too!
[19:06:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2020/Remote_Hackathon/Feedback (re @lcawte: I'm sure you're probably bored of linking it already, but, I've not been paying attention, where's the feedback form? :P)
[19:07:14] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Gopa_Vasanth> May be we should also add this feedback link to the pinned msg of this group, any group admins around ?
[19:07:51] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> Thank you all for being so welcoming! This being my first hackathon and also as a newcomer in this community I felt very confortable around here :) Shout out specially to @chtnnh , @pavithraes, @fuzheado, @RachelFarrand and @tonythomas01 for your help. 😊👍
[19:11:04] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> Please provide feedback on the event! https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2020/Remote_Hackathon/Feedback
[19:11:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RachelFarrand> There we go!
[19:12:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> Thank you all!
[19:12:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> That was awesome but tiring, now I'm going to sleep for 12 hours 😴
[19:12:27] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> where to see showcase record?
[19:12:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nicolas> (you can still me ask things in the meantime, but I'll will only answer tomorrow ;) )
[19:13:02] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <TiagoLubiana> First wikimedia hackathon here, it was a great experience! Thank you all so much, can't wait for the next
[19:17:29] <RhinosF1>	 Same
[19:24:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E19-sDvjXD8 (re @Tohaomg: where to see showcase record?)
[19:37:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <hayify> Thanks everyone for a great hackathon! Hopefully next year we'll be able to have an analog edition again!
[19:40:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Tag? Article? Wikidata doesn’t really have articles, it has items in the main namespace (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Lcawte> Is there a way to "tag" articles in Wikidata, like on enwiki you might use a Mbox or something to put stuff in to a category? Or is it just a case of making lists and things?)
[19:42:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Adam> Maxlag? :) (re @Maarten: Several bugs open for that. I know Adam is working on it from the server side.
[19:42:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Adam> On Pywikibot side we’re also struggling with the best approach)
[19:43:09] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <xqt_pwb> L
[19:43:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Items, if you're being pedantic 😂 What's the solution for collecting a bunch of items that say, maybe need a certain field reviewing or something? Is it just making a list in a wikipage or something? (re @Maarten: Tag? Article? Wikidata doesn’t really have articles, it has items in the main namespace)
[19:44:44] <multichill>	 SPARQL query with Listeria list? We don't really have a good way to tag items like on Wikipedia. It's impossible to tag an item with "reference needed"
[19:47:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> If anyone has some kind of thing that could be done with Remo, just ping me
[19:48:15] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> If anyone has some kind of thing that could be done with Remo, just ping me. I have the subscription for a month.
[19:49:57] <multichill>	 Lcawte: ^
[19:58:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> about to play another piano stream! https://twitch.tv/lucaswerkmeister
[19:58:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> (jeez why is the link preview for that so huge)
[20:01:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> I'm sure WMNL would love to try it this Wikifriday may 15th. (re @siebrand: If anyone has some kind of thing that could be done with Remo, just ping me. I have the subscription for a month.)
[20:02:23] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> It's a combined session for Atria and LGBT+
[20:02:28] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> We can't hear you (re @lucaswerkmeister: about to play another piano stream! https://twitch.tv/lucaswerkmeister)
[20:03:52] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> Thanks everyone for the cool hackathon!
[20:05:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> Give me a call tomorrow? (re @Ciell: It's a combined session for Atria and LGBT+)
[20:06:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Sure!
[20:09:25] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> yay. And I concluded my Twitch stream for good. (re @lucaswerkmeister: about to play another piano stream! https://twitch.tv/lucaswerkmeister)
[20:10:22] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <PaulaPKM> Signed up. (re @pharosofalexandria: Your 
[20:10:23] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <PaulaPKM> Wikimedia project user accounts are now all enabled at Wikispore, thanks to #wmhack! Please give it a try, and sign up at our Guestbook: https://join.wikispore.org)
[20:11:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Auregann> Thanks a lot for this, it was a great idea and cool background music to have while hacking! (re @tonythomas01: yay. And I concluded my Twitch stream for good.)
[20:14:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Welcome 🙂 Was my first time streaming something though. (re @Auregann: Thanks a lot for this, it was a great idea and cool background music to have while hacking!)
[20:15:35] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> So here's a project for the next hackathon ... a Tools Lab project that plays chill background music 24/7 for people to tune into while coding or editing ;)
[20:16:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> Would be an expensive one given you have to license the tunes ... :D (re @lcawte: So here's a project for the next hackathon ... a Tools Lab project that plays chill background music 24/7 for people to tune into while coding or editing ;))
[20:16:55] <bd808>	 RhinosF1: did you make a bug report anywhere about the dups in the bash tool's data? I have a hunch how that could have happened during the migration of the backend data from elasticsearch5 to elasticsearch7. I probably will have to do some sort of dump and relaod to clean them out.
[20:17:14] <bd808>	 which also reminds me that the es-backup tool is busted right now too
[20:17:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> So we need to either find a bunch of open licensed stuff, or enlist the Wikimedia community to produce some?
[20:17:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <PaulaPKM> Add property “on focus list of Wikimedia project (P5008)”.  you have to define a project/subproject first. (re @lcawte: Items, if you're being pedantic 😂 What's the solution for collecting a bunch of items that say, maybe need a certain field reviewing or something? Is it just making a list in a wikipage or something?)
[20:18:32] <bd808>	 Lcawte: https://listen.hatnote.com/ :) the wiki's make their own music
[20:18:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <siebrand> License free music exists... (re @tonythomas01: Would be an expensive one given you have to license the tunes ... :D)
[20:19:11] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> The tool is there. You just need to create the playlist: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiradio_(tool) (re @lcawte: So here's a project for the next hackathon ... a Tools Lab project that plays chill background music 24/7 for people to tune into while coding or editing ;))
[20:21:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Ok, so maybe we just need a bigger collection of music and to build a station for it ;)
[20:22:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tonythomas01> I think I have to explore the license free music domain.  Never did that, so cannot comment. But if we have good ones and a player, then it’s a win.
[20:24:53] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Good recommendation - this is the way (re @PaulaPKM: Add property “on focus list of Wikimedia project (P5008)”.  you have to define a project/subproject first.)
[20:26:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Focus list -> citation needed?
[20:30:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6df3b97d/file_150.jpg
[20:30:58] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Nattes> Good night ! These are the pancakes made by my daughter with the flowers I picked up during the “dog walk”
[20:33:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <MxLucy> Looks like spring🌸
[20:39:21] <RhinosF1>	 bd808: no, will create one during my post-hackathon cleanup
[20:40:48] <bd808>	 RhinosF1: much appreciated. That tool doesn't have it's own phab tag, so #tools + @bd808 would be a fair way to make sure I see it and make some time to fix things
[20:41:03] <RhinosF1>	 bd808: cool :)
[20:45:15] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/ccc9cc5d/file_151.jpg
[20:46:12] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Is it okay? I will accept corrections propositions till tommorrow noon, then upload it to commons.
[20:46:50] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Look at all the people that are too busy checking themselves out and not looking into their webcams ;)
[20:47:24] <bd808>	 Lcawte: eye contact is aggressive! ;)
[20:49:59] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> and, also, @igorabsorto and @JeanFred , since you made photos by yourselves, I will need otrs permissions from you
[20:50:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Looks great Nattes! Enjoy! 
[20:50:42] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> And the flowers, are they elderflower? (re @Nattes: )
[20:52:49] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Pymouss> Really nice! Thanks Антон! (re @Tohaomg: Is it okay? I will accept corrections propositions till tommorrow noon, then upload it to commons.)
[20:53:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> I’m sure our local friendly OTRS volunteer Ciell can hel you with that :-)
[20:53:07] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Looks really good! (re @Tohaomg: and, also, @igorabsorto and @JeanFred , since you made photos by yourselves, I will need otrs permissions from you)
[20:53:22] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Wait, really? For copyright or privacy? (re @Tohaomg: and, also, @igorabsorto and @JeanFred , since you made photos by yourselves, I will need otrs permissions from you)
[20:53:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> I am an OTRS agent myself ;-) (re @Maarten: I’m sure our local friendly OTRS volunteer Ciell can hel you with that :-)
[20:53:33] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Looks really good!)
[20:54:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> Even better
[20:56:01] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Copyright mostly, privacy related permissions are not a standard practice (re @lcawte: Wait, really? For copyright or privacy?)
[20:56:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> For copyright, of course. It can be removed from commons without those permissions, as I used two images which are were made and, thus, owned by other people. Our local Commons sysopr Ciell  can tell you about that. (re @lcawte: Wait, really? For copyright or privacy?)
[20:56:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> For copyright, of course. It can be removed from Commons without those permissions, as I used two images which were made and, thus, owned by other people. Our local Commons sysopr Ciell  can tell you about that. (re @lcawte: Wait, really? For copyright or privacy?)
[20:57:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> For copyright, of course. It can be removed from Commons without those permissions, as I used two images which were made and, thus, owned by other people. Our local Commons sysop Ciell  can tell you about that. (re @lcawte: Wait, really? For copyright or privacy?)
[20:57:22] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> 😉
[20:57:43] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> It's true!
[20:59:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> I'm just surprised the release process of someone emailing/DMing you an image file requires so much release "paperwork" :P
[21:00:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Wel.... You could lie... but if you play by the rules, Anton is correct.
[21:00:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Alas we have people who practice copyright laundering and other kinds of bad stuff in the broad Wikimedia community so the paperwork is unavoidable :(
[21:03:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> Ok, no problem. Can you point me on the right direction? Do I find these forms on Commons? (re @Tohaomg: and, also, @igorabsorto and @JeanFred , since you made photos by yourselves, I will need otrs permissions from you)
[21:03:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Wikimedians in general are quite protective of copyright ( or maybe this is just my bubble), but we want the release that is made to be a well informed and consieus decision. (re @lcawte: I'm just surprised the release process of someone emailing/DMing you an image file requires so much release "paperwork" :P)
[21:04:17] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Check the Commons:OTRS release generator
[21:04:22] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Ok... I know we're probably straying off topic here, but, unused {{user page image}}s on Commons, candidates for speedy delete?
[21:04:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> I will now send you instructions to private messages.
[21:04:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> I will now send you instructions to private messages. (re @igorabsorto: Ok, no problem. Can you point me on the right direction? Do I find these forms on Commons?)
[21:05:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> I will now send both of you instructions to private messages. (re @igorabsorto: Ok, no problem. Can you point me on the right direction? Do I find these forms on Commons?)
[21:05:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> who can I talk to that's knowledgeable about the wiki dumps? there's a discrepancy between the dumps and the json output that I can't figure out
[21:05:48] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Depends on the image (re @lcawte: Ok... I know we're probably straying off topic here, but, unused {{user page image}}s on Commons, candidates for speedy delete?)
[21:06:16] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> JSON output of what? (re @Carlin: who can I talk to that's knowledgeable about the wiki dumps? there's a discrepancy between the dumps and the json output that I can't figure out)
[21:06:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> I would say slow deletion with SCOPE as rationale (re @lcawte: Ok... I know we're probably straying off topic here, but, unused {{user page image}}s on Commons, candidates for speedy delete?)
[21:06:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> sorry i mean the dumpstatus json https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20200401/dumpstatus.json
[21:07:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> Thank you! (re @Tohaomg: I will now send both of you instructions to private messages.)
[21:09:05] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> What about it? (re @Carlin: sorry i mean the dumpstatus json https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20200401/dumpstatus.json)
[21:10:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <RhinosF1> Are you still taking the send your own photo in? (re @Tohaomg: Is it okay? I will accept corrections propositions till tommorrow noon, then upload it to commons.)
[21:10:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7716e2c3/file_152.jpg
[21:10:06] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/dcc48e0f/file_153.jpg
[21:10:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> I can't figure out what the conversion is: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/dcc48e0f/file_153.jpg
[21:11:03] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> I can't figure out what the conversion is, should be 5.7doesn't really effect at small sizes but pretty much all of them are larger: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/dcc48e0f/file_153.jpg
[21:12:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> 6013491 / 1024 / 1024 = 5.7MB
[21:13:08] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Maarten> No (re @lcawte: Ok... I know we're probably straying off topic here, but, unused {{user page image}}s on Commons, candidates for speedy delete?)
[21:14:00] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> That would be MiB technically (re @tehreedy: 6013491 / 1024 / 1024 = 5.7MB)
[21:14:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> Well, ignore the units
[21:14:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Not MB
[21:14:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> But mostly ppl do not care to distinguish them. That is a common source of frustration for someone buying memory cards xD
[21:15:14] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Carlin> ha okay that works, I was trying to change the smaller unit but nothing was working, thanks! (re @tehreedy: 6013491 / 1024 / 1024 = 5.7MB)
[21:15:57] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> Happens with hard drives and SSDs too (re @Thecladis: But mostly ppl do not care to distinguish them. That is a common source of frustration for someone buying memory cards xD)
[21:16:13] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Indeed :)
[21:18:29] <bd808>	 Kubernetes uses both MiB and MB properly in it's units and that messes with people too :)
[21:19:45] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Lol
[21:20:31] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> If dividing by 1000 doesn't work, try by 1024 and vice versa :
[21:20:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> If dividing by 1000 doesn't work, try by 1024 and vice versa :P
[21:46:44] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> Actually, when all the camera framing is done by the subject, does hitting the screenshot button suffice to make you sole copyright holder of the resulting image ? :p (re @Tohaomg: For copyright, of course. It can be removed from Commons without those permissions, as I used two images which were made and, thus, owned by other people. Our local Commons sysop Ciell  can tell you about that.)
[21:47:34] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Yeah that is an interesting question
[21:51:24] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> No, that is equivalent to a still from my video stream (re @JeanFred: Actually, when all the camera framing is done by the subject, does hitting the screenshot button suffice to make you sole copyright holder of the resulting image ? :p)
[21:51:40] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> No, that is equivalent to a still image from my video stream (re @JeanFred: Actually, when all the camera framing is done by the subject, does hitting the screenshot button suffice to make you sole copyright holder of the resulting image ? :p)
[22:01:07] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <JeanFred> Yep ; otherwise I could just go screenshot all the famous youtubers and Twitchers during their streams and upload that to Commons; couldn't I ? ;-) (re @Jan_ainali: No, that is equivalent to a still image from my video stream)
[22:08:19] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <TiagoLubiana> I get slightly unconfortable with the lack of diversity. I know that its not a fault of the hackathon, and Wikimedia is probably one of the institution that cares most about correting these biases. 
[22:08:20] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <TiagoLubiana> Maybe differences in the relative position and/or pic sizes of participants could attenuate this?
[22:08:21] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <TiagoLubiana> Not to mask any biases of the event, but instead to make clear the intention to be increasingly more diverse (re @Tohaomg: )
[22:08:41] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <TiagoLubiana> But technically it is great work!
[22:10:36] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> +1 (re @TiagoLubiana: I get slightly unconfortable with the lack of diversity. I know that its not a fault of the hackathon, and Wikimedia is probably one of the institution that cares most about correting these biases. 
[22:10:37] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> Maybe differences in the relative position and/or pic sizes of participants could attenuate this?
[22:10:38] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <igorabsorto> Not to mask any biases of the event, but instead to make clear the intention to be increasingly more diverse)
[22:12:39] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <lcawte> Is that everyone that attended in the photo?
[22:12:46] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <IVeertje> Unofficial group photo: https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d3a924d8/file_154.jpg
[22:13:26] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Right. And two, who did not attend. (re @lcawte: Is that everyone that attended in the photo?)
[22:13:54] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Well, I assume for better diversity better timezones are needed xD
[22:46:31] * bd808 waves and says until next time to all.
[23:33:32] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Great work! (re @Tohaomg: )
[23:34:10] <wm-bridgebot_>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Welcome to Commons Culture (TM) (re @lcawte: I'm just surprised the release process of someone emailing/DMing you an image file requires so much release "paperwork" :P)