[18:04:38] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> I've been asked to help solve some problems on the papaimentu Wikipedia, and might need some help of an experienced Mediawiki person, and people that can help me with templates. 
[18:04:39] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Any volunteers? Would be great if you could attend our online workshop (in English, Dutch or Papaimentu) on Saturday Nov 21st 14.00 UTC.
[18:46:31] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Do you have a teaser about what kind of problems there might be? (For instance I am down to make some small fixes in wikimarkup, but not to attempt to rewrite everything to Lua + add WD support + fetch OSM maps and what not)
[19:01:46] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Well there are several things maintanance wise that need to happen https://pap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages first
[19:04:53] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> And one of the members has years of technical experience and would like to learn how to keep the wiki clean, but I'm not sure if I can teach her everything. Since I'm not a coder, just an admin.
[19:05:18] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> They want want to change some setting etc.
[19:06:11] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> They might want to change some settings etc.
[19:07:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Sounds interesting. I would like to attend, though I hope that I won't be the only person to do that. Also I will only be able to be there for 2 hours
[19:08:40] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> No problem, we only have it schedualed for 2-3 hours
[19:09:10] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Would you be okay with a Zoom call?
[19:09:29] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> Yup
[19:10:46] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Great, I don't think I have your mailadres?
[19:11:40] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> I think my zoom account is at thecladis@gmail.com, though I prefer base-w@yandex.ru for actual emails
[19:13:59] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Great. I'll let you know the link and the code.
[19:14:42] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Meanwhile: is there a server down? I'm getting an error in Montage
[19:15:17] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> (1290, 'The MariaDB server is running with the --read-only option so it cannot execute this statement')
[19:15:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> I heard complaints from people that Fountain also doesn't work, though haven't checked. Perhaps there is indeed something going on
[19:15:57] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> (and a lot more, but I don't know if MariaDB is one of the WMF servers or a seperate server used for Montage?)
[19:16:24] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <tehreedy> cloud tool?
[19:16:56] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Montage
[19:21:44] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> (I don't know, I know it's a tool :P )
[19:22:15] <Reedy>	 >Montage is hosted on Toolforge, which provides the servers and databases, as well as database backups. Keep an eye on the Toolforge status page as well. 
[19:24:56] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> I think all or nearly all of the servers that used to run mysql are now mariadb. that includes toollabs and production clusters behind the wikis.
[19:24:57] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> but I may be outdated, corrections welcome. (re @Ciell: (and a lot more, but I don't know if MariaDB is one of the WMF servers or a seperate server used for Montage?))
[19:25:20] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> I think all or nearly all of the servers that used to run mysql are now mariadb. that includes toolforge and production clusters behind the wikis.
[19:25:21] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> but I may be outdated, corrections welcome. (re @Ciell: (and a lot more, but I don't know if MariaDB is one of the WMF servers or a seperate server used for Montage?))
[19:27:44] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> I'm interested but I may not be able to commit for certain to that time til a day or two before (re @Ciell: I've been asked to help solve some problems on the papaimentu Wikipedia, and might need some help of an experienced Mediawiki person, and people that can help me with templates. 
[19:27:45] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> Any volunteers? Would be great if you could attend our online workshop (in English, Dutch or Papaimentu) on Saturday Nov 21st 14.00 UTC.)
[19:28:11] <Reedy>	 I'm presuing it's https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/cloud-announce/2020-November/000340.html
[19:28:21] <Reedy>	 ongoing maintenance
[19:41:15] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> No problem. If Bohdan can help me inventory what problems and questions they have, I can get back to you. You're also on the mediawiki side of things right? Because I'd really love to do a lot of Wikidata on Wikipedia as well, since we can re-invent this language, and I would prefer to keep it as low maintenance as possible. (re @jeremy_b: I'm interested but I may not be able to commit for certain to that time til a day or two be
[19:42:25] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> thank you (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> I'm presuing it's https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/cloud-announce/2020-November/000340.html)
[19:45:10] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> I wouldn't necessarily say mediawiki side. do you mean config changes? (re @Ciell: No problem. If Bohdan can help me inventory what problems and questions they have, I can get back to you. You're also on the mediawiki side of things right? Because I'd really love to do a lot of Wikidata on Wikipedia as well, since we can re-invent this language, and I would prefer to keep it as low maintenance as possible.)
[19:45:45] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> yes, I do. :)
[19:46:19] <Reedy>	 There's usually a few of us about at weekends who can do that sort of config change
[19:46:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> great
[19:47:10] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> they don't know yet what they need to change?
[19:47:39] <Reedy>	 THE WORLD
[19:47:42] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> if they do know then file requests in phab
[19:47:50] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> 😂😂 (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> THE WORLD)
[19:48:04] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> can I file that? (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <Reedy> THE WORLD)
[19:48:19] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Thecladis> $wgWorldGovernment ?
[19:48:37] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> which project is that under?
[20:03:32] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> do you know anyone there that could get started working on translatewiki.net ? mediawiki is ~99% not translated yet there. see https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:MediaWiki#Recommended_process_for_translating_MediaWiki
[20:03:33] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> plenty of people here familiar with TWN if they run into trouble. also what should fallback be in case there's not a translation of something done yet? looks like en now, should it be nl? (re @Ciell: Well there are several things maintanance wise that need to happen https://pap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages first)
[20:05:17] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> en is fine I think
[20:05:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> I'll put translatewiki on my list to ask them
[20:06:09] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> Hallo
[20:06:10] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> I would really want them to translate labels ons Wikidata as well
[20:07:06] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> I've been dreaming of using the Translate extension to translate labels and other Wikidata things since 2013 or so, but we somehow never got around to it :/
[20:07:12] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> I still haven't lost hope.
[20:07:29] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> translation memory on Wikidata?! (re @amire80: I've been dreaming of using the Translate extension to translate labels and other Wikidata things since 2013 or so, but we somehow never got around to it :/)
[20:08:18] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> But what do you mean by "mediawiki is ~99% not translated yet there"? I possibly missed the beginning of the conversation. (re @jeremy_b: do you know anyone there that could get started working on translatewiki.net ? mediawiki is ~99% not translated yet there. see https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:MediaWiki#Recommended_process_for_translating_MediaWiki
[20:08:19] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> plenty of people here familiar with TWN if they run into trouble. also what should fallback be in case there's not a translation of something done yet? looks like en now, should it be nl?)
[20:10:35] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> Oh, to the Papiamento language? I'm happy to help them if they need assistance. I've been doing that a lot.
[20:10:51] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> yay Amir!!
[20:11:01] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> This may help: https://aharoni.wordpress.com/2020/10/23/amir-aharonis-quasi-pro-tips-for-translating-the-software-that-powers-wikipedia-2020-edition/
[20:11:13] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> just translatewiki, or also wikidata?
[20:11:39] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> I'm much more of a translatewiki expert. I have only basic knowledge about Wikidata.
[20:12:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Okay, noted :)
[20:12:48] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> This post also has Spanish and Portuguese versions:
[20:12:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> es: https://rising.globalvoices.org/lenguas/2017/09/30/iniciando-la-traduccion-y-la-localizacion-de-la-interfaz-de-wikipedia/
[20:12:51] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> pt: https://pt.globalvoices.org/2017/10/01/comecando-a-localizar-e-traduzir-a-interface-da-wikipedia/ (re @amire80: This may help: https://aharoni.wordpress.com/2020/10/23/amir-aharonis-quasi-pro-tips-for-translating-the-software-that-powers-wikipedia-2020-edition/)
[20:12:52] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Mind if I pass on your email address to connect you to the users?
[20:13:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <amire80> no problem at all, amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il
[20:13:43] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> great, thanks
[20:26:05] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> well 2 parts. one is I didn't realize my global pref was influencing my experience so I see it's different if I'm in incognito window but also that's the number that TWN gave me. unless I'm reading it wrong. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/44bbba74/file_1496.jpg
[21:01:56] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Advice: start small :) When I started adding in Inari and Skolt Saami labels, I didn't think about how many bazillions of labels there were to be translated. (re @Ciell: I would really want them to translate labels ons Wikidata as well)
[21:02:39] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> haha, right? ;)
[21:03:27] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> I'm thinking of creating (listeria?) lists to help them get started, and to visualize their efforts for them.
[21:03:59] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Reasonator would be good.
[21:05:28] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&lang=pap&q=25279
[21:05:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> It's a small, clear set that can be easily dealt with.
[21:06:31] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> And a lot of what's missing should be easy to find in the papwiki if they've used them already.
[21:07:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> Concept cloud for the people who really wanna do nothing else for a while :D
[21:10:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> https://wikidata-todo.toolforge.org/cloudy_concept.php?q=25279&lang=pap
[21:10:13] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> Thanks for the tip, I'll dive into that tomorrow!
[21:11:01] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> They've proven to not being as frightening for wikidata newbies for whatever reason :)
[21:11:30] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <WMYupik> My pleasure :)
[21:14:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Ciell> I've never worked with reasonator before so have to figure that one out first, but the second link looks very accessible
[21:55:21] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <jeremy_b> it just generates text from Wikidata, if you see something there in english then go find where it came from on Wikidata and translate it (re @Ciell: I've never worked with reasonator before so have to figure that one out first, but the second link looks very accessible)