[08:15:49] [telegram] There's no way to do it in a properly clean and organized manner, [08:16:16] [telegram] However, you can do what the HotCat developers and users do: [08:18:26] [telegram] Store most of the code on a wiki page on Commons, and add a local page on the wiki where you want to use it, with one line that loads it. [08:20:36] [telegram] It's far from perfect for at least two reasons: [08:20:37] [telegram] 1. It requires the performance of a non-zero number of steps on each wiki that wants to use the gadget. We have around 900 wikis, so this is at least 900 steps. If you upload an image to Commons, it requires exactly zero steps to use that image on a wiki page on any site. [08:20:39] [telegram] 2. That line looks ugly and I can imagine it having some performance and security issues. [08:20:40] [telegram] But hey, it works. [08:22:18] [telegram] See the installation instructions at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat , and reuse it for your gadget. As far as I know, it's the best thing we have at the moment. [08:23:41] [telegram] On another topic: [08:23:42] [telegram] Is there a way in Gerrit to see whether there are any open patches that affect a certain line of code? [08:28:43] [telegram] In particular, I was surprised that we still have two instances of "blacklist" in the values in core en.json, and two more instances of this word in the JSON keys of that file, despite all the enormous work that @tehreedy and other people have been doing on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254646 . [08:28:43] [telegram] They are trivial to fix, but I was wondering whether they are still there because: [08:28:45] [telegram] * Simply no one has got around to them yet. [08:28:46] [telegram] * There already are open patches for it that need merging. [08:28:48] [telegram] * Core is intentionally left for the end. [08:28:49] [telegram] * Some more complicated reason. [11:21:02] [telegram] I would not say blacklists are trivial to fix. Perhaps from the codebase side, but from the usage side it is more complicated [11:21:19] [telegram] Even if some bot renames the actual title and spam black/white lists [11:22:02] [telegram] not as far as I know (though it’s an interesting idea); you’d have to search for related terms or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254646, I guess (re @amire80: On another topic: [11:22:03] [telegram] Is there a way in Gerrit to see whether there are any open patches that affect a certain line of code?) [11:22:04] [telegram] Besides black is a symbol of negativity, death, not an actual slavery related thing such as master/slave [11:25:40] [telegram] It is however an appellation that can describe victims of the transatlantic slave trade [11:27:58] [telegram] And for those without the appropriate level of consciousness, those two meanings may get intermixed [11:28:08] [telegram] My first thoughs go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Spot_(Treasure_Island) rather than black ppl [11:28:51] [telegram] My first thoughs go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Spot_(Treasure_Island)_ rather than black ppl [11:29:34] [telegram] Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death [11:29:46] [telegram] The process of changing the name in the code has already started. I'm not debating whether it should or shouldn't be done. I'm just asking a technical question about a particular point of how it's going on. [13:48:13] [telegram] Why is the word 'blacklist' suddenly a problem now. [13:55:50] [telegram] Have you looked at any of the subtickets of T254646 concerning that word? [13:55:51] T254646: Reconsidering how we name things - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254646 [14:42:07] [telegram] Yeah, most of it is just "no one has gotten round to it so far". With the exception of TitleBlacklist and SpamBlacklist, there's little bikeshedding on renaming. Occasionally some changes need another word using at it doesn't come across particularly great semantically etc [14:42:09] [telegram] The bigger issue is there is literally (including vendor code, which some of which is our own code) there are over 10K usages of the words - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P14950. I've created numerous subtasks for extensions to try and make that list more manageable, but the paste is useful for showing an overall scale of the problem. (re @amire80: In particular, I was surprised that we still have two instances of "blackl [14:42:10] [telegram] They are trivial to fix, but I was wondering whether they are still there because: [14:42:12] [telegram] * Simply no one has got around to them yet. [14:42:13] [telegram] * There already are open patches for it that need merging. [14:42:15] [telegram] * Core is intentionally left for the end. [14:42:16] [telegram] * Some more complicated reason.) [14:42:33] [telegram] Patches always welcome ;) [15:09:00] [telegram] That's in codebase? There should be tons more on wiki [15:13:23] [telegram] I'm sure there are. But that's a different battle to fight [15:15:33] [telegram] And core is definitely not left to the end.... In just under a month, the amount in core has dropped by about a 1/3, from 1041, to 705 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277987 (re @amire80: In particular, I was surprised that we still have two instances of "blacklist" in the values in core en.json, and two more instances of this word in the JSON keys of that file, despite all the enormous work that @tehreedy and other peop [15:15:34] [telegram] They are trivial to fix, but I was wondering whether they are still there because: [15:15:36] [telegram] * Simply no one has got around to them yet. [15:15:37] [telegram] * There already are open patches for it that need merging. [15:15:39] [telegram] * Core is intentionally left for the end. [15:15:40] [telegram] * Some more complicated reason.) [15:16:18] [telegram] Ah, false news. It's got a *.php filter on it [15:33:47] [telegram] But it's a marathon, not a sprint [15:34:50] [telegram] Thanks for the clarification, @tehreedy ! [16:04:18] [telegram] TIL: apparently the new Wikipedia logo and Vector as the default skin were both rolled out on the same day (https://sal.toolforge.org/production?d=2010-05-13) [16:04:42] [telegram] Oh yes, a major piece of Wikimedia and MediaWiki history. (re @lucaswerkmeister: TIL: apparently the new Wikipedia logo and Vector as the default skin were both rolled out on the same day (13 May 2010)) [16:04:58] [telegram] Might have been during a hackathon? [16:05:45] [telegram] Mmmm... not sure... but Vector was definitely the biggest software change at the time, and also the most controversial. [16:05:47] [telegram] hm, no hackathon at that time listed under [[mw:Events#2010]] [16:05:59] [telegram] No, that was one month earlier: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2010/Developers%27_Workshop [16:25:38] [telegram] Forwarded from Csisc1994: I ask if anyone can move my JavaScript code [[d:User:Csisc/StructuredCategories.js]] under the MediaWiki namespace in Meta ([[MediaWiki:Gadget-StructuredCategories.js]]). [16:26:11] [telegram] Forwarded from Csisc1994: This will allow to have more security for the tool. [16:31:32] [telegram] [[m:Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat]] (re @Csisc1994: This will allow to have more security for the tool.) [16:37:59] [telegram] Done. Thank you. (re @Jan_ainali: [[m:Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat]]) [16:38:09] [telegram] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#About_hosting_a_tool_in_the_MediaWiki_namespace [18:59:50] [telegram] Hello there [19:01:00] [telegram] Welcome @Kollembola [19:05:23] [telegram] Is someone here explore ants locations in the world? [19:08:00] [telegram] Ant as the thing to build java projects? [19:08:41] [telegram] Like insects😅 (re @Thecladis: Ant as the thing to build java projects?) [19:12:42] [telegram] Off topic? (re @Kollembola: Like insects😅) [19:17:27] [telegram] Sorry, I don't understand the question [19:17:27] [telegram] Which topic? (re @Jan_ainali: Off topic?) [19:19:47] [telegram] This is a group for the IT side of Wikipedia and related projects. Are your ants related in any way to IT or to Wikipedia? [19:23:43] [telegram] Oh, I'm sorry, no, ants are not related to IT. I noticed a mistake in the list of ant species on Antwiki ( https://www.antwiki.org/wiki/Welcome_to_AntWiki ) [19:26:09] [telegram] Sorry, I didn't know that this group is about IT, maybe I should probably log out from this chat) [19:26:55] [telegram] If there is a mistake in content, you just have to find "edit" button and correct it. If it is a mistake in how the site functions, you will have to contact its owner. Wikipedia/Wikimedia and Antwiki are different projects. [19:28:33] [telegram] Got it, thanks [19:28:34] [telegram] good luck)