[00:50:26] [telegram] Will the various sessions,talks given will be recorded? [00:50:38] [telegram] For future viewing? [00:51:10] [irc] @tshrinivasan: the "main track" talks will be recorded, yes. [00:52:02] [irc] which actually may be a first for a spring hackathon? [00:54:14] [telegram] Please arrange to record hacking room sessions too [00:54:53] [telegram] Enormous of knowledge will be shared on such sessions. These recording will help a lot for all [01:59:20] [irc] has anyone tried bridging from Discord to Telegram using Bridgebot? [02:09:14] [irc] I haven't done it, but it should work [02:09:21] [irc] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tool:Bridgebot#Discord [04:08:15] [telegram] @shg_cdr07 Have you looked at OpenRefine? You can import various formats including XML and upload directly to Wikidata. Of course there’s more work to make sure what you’re updating is consistent and accurate but it’s a great tool. [04:09:15] [telegram] I’ve also found xq to be a useful tool though I more often use jq on json. [04:11:38] [telegram] I know Freenode users are defaulting to switching to the new Libera Chat network, but why didn't channels/users opt to go to OFTC instead? [04:12:37] [telegram] For whatever reason the xq that comes with installing yq seems to be more full featured. https://kislyuk.github.io/yq/ [04:14:47] [irc] seav4F: It was briefly brought up (by yours truly in fact), you can read the discussion at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Freenode_(IRC) [06:33:46] [telegram] Yes Doug I have looked at OpenRefine, great tool, just learned how to use it. I will try to create the schema using this. (re @Doug: @shg_cdr07 Have you looked at OpenRefine? You can import various formats including XML and upload directly to Wikidata. Of course there’s more work to make sure what you’re updating is consistent and accurate but it’s a great tool.) [06:34:05] [telegram] Alright I will look into this, thank you for your input. (re @Doug: I’ve also found xq to be a useful tool though I more often use jq on json.) [07:10:22] [telegram] I'm interested with bridges between some Matrix server and all the other chat services that wikimedians are using. [07:10:23] [telegram] Is there any plan by WMF to host a matrix server? Maybe there is already one actually? Otherwise I saw that there was a session regarding the Wikimedia cloud service this weekend, could it be a way to introduce such a service in our stack? [07:10:24] [telegram] If you have any relevant information about that topic, please share it 🙏 (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] has anyone tried bridging from Discord to Telegram using Bridgebot?) [07:17:16] [irc] That I'm not really sure. I opened a Phab ticket asking to bridge Indonesian Wikipedia's Discord, Telegram, and IRC -- I'm not sure whether such three-way would work, let alone connecting four (+ Matrix) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T283318 [07:56:11] [irc] there are already some 3-way bridges, I think #wikimedia-cloud is bridged at least 4 ways already (Freenode, Libera, Telegram, Mattermost) [07:56:32] [irc] All freenode channels were bridged to Matrix, the Libera folks said they'd have a network-wide bridge set up soon [07:58:06] [irc] psychoslave: I don't think the WMF itself plans to host a Matrix server. Currently the WMF is paying EMS (https://ems.element.io/) for a WMF staff Matrix instance (I think Mozilla is using them as well). tgr is really the expert on Matrix stuff though [07:58:46] [irc] minor nitpick correction: the matrix bridge is run by matrix.org and not libera [08:04:09] [irc] ah good to hear that it's possible [08:57:59] [telegram] I see there are still open slots for events. I'm plannong to continue the work started by the LGBTIQ group to resature deleted P91 sexual orientations (still not finished) [08:58:21] [telegram] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T283323 [08:58:44] [telegram] but I see we were suppoosed to annouce events before the 19 th of may 😕 [09:04:10] [telegram] There is still plenty of space in the hacking rooms :) Feel free to schedule a session by adding it to the schedule. You may want to create a specific Phabricator task to describe more precisely what you plan to do during the session, or just use the existing project one. (re @Nattes: but I see we were suppoosed to annouce events before the 19 th of may 😕) [09:05:33] [telegram] I created a new one and linked it to the past one 🙂 [09:05:44] [telegram] also a dedicated telegram chan 🙂 [09:06:17] [telegram] I think this is also a great newbie task and helping diversity and inclusivity in our movement [09:06:46] [telegram] I am so sad : cant do the dog walk as my old dog died on tuesday 😕 [09:07:45] [telegram] I'm very sorry to hear that :( But the dog walk is not reserved to dog owners, I don't have a dog myself and I'll still go for a walk :) (re @Nattes: I am so sad : cant do the dog walk as my old dog died on tuesday 😕) [09:11:05] [telegram] I nkow but I am afraid I would cry so much if I participate because she was there last year 😕 [09:17:14] [telegram] I see a recurring pattern of proposing to create more documentation (that someone would have to maintain and that people would have to find), due to already having too much documentation not being discoverable. That's what I personally refer to as "the vicious circle of docs". Just saying. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] https://pastebin.com/gcnGuTQY) [09:19:49] [telegram] shrini: You may want to check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_Advocacy/Developer_Portal/Content_Draft and if that could help - your feedback is super welcome! [09:21:27] [telegram] It's a balance for sure. Undocumented features are bad too. There's a certain amount that will have to be created for something to be usable. And maintenance of docs should be a part of updating the functionality. A change should not pass review unless connected docs are also updated. (But that also means it must be discoverable so one know what needs to be updated.) (re @andreklapper: I see a recurring pattern of proposing [09:24:16] [telegram] If anyone wants to talk documentation: There are two sessions tomorrow (Caturday) :) [09:26:36] [telegram] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] I think, a new developer need to know these detials to jump on contributing quickly) [09:28:24] [irc] I added some more ops to #wikimedia-hackathon on the Libera Chat side [09:28:32] [irc] good night for me, see y'all tomorrow [11:32:14] [telegram] Hello all! The hackathon is officially starting in a few hours :) [11:32:15] [telegram] If you're willing to help us running a smooth event, we are especially looking for people who can facilitate sessions in the hacking rooms, and people who can support and answer newcomers questions. You will find more information about the helpers roles here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/How_to#Help_running_the_event [11:32:17] [telegram] If you're willing to help newcomers, you can join this Telegram channel and answer questions when they come. https://t.me/joinchat/Rd1foYX5kFQ2MDMy [11:32:18] [telegram] Thanks in advance! [13:46:57] [telegram] Hi everybody, have you noticed some changes in the font size of text in english wikipedia ? [13:47:19] [telegram] you mean on the categories? (re @Bosnian95: Hi everybody, have you noticed some changes in the font size of text in english wikipedia ?) [13:49:00] [telegram] No, categories seems normal, but the font of other articles's content seems smaller (re @jhsoby: you mean on the categories?) [13:49:30] [telegram] hmm, i haven't noticed that. only that the font on the categories (at the bottom of the page) is larger than usual [13:50:26] [irc] everything except categories looks normal to me [13:51:07] [telegram] Try pressing Ctrl+zero 😉 (re @Bosnian95: No, categories seems normal, but the font of other articles's content seems smaller) [13:51:19] [telegram] (the categories issue is T283206 btw) [13:51:20] T283206: Category list and siteSub text unusually large font size (Vector regression), absolutely positioned elements relative - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T283206 [13:52:04] [telegram] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c6ec800c/file_4597.jpg [13:52:21] [telegram] Look for example here in these screenshot [13:52:50] [telegram] Please provide a full link and web browser info [13:53:05] [telegram] I did, it's 100% (re @jhsoby: Try pressing Ctrl+zero 😉) [13:54:27] [telegram] Also, try without custom CSS, custom user scripts, local gadgets, etc. There's stuff and colors on that page which don't belong there. :) See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Locating_broken_scripts [13:54:58] [telegram] Ook, I use firefox 88.0.1 (re @andreklapper: Please provide a full link and web browser info) [13:56:34] [telegram] Yaah, I think is the problem comes from this, because when I logged out, the font size backs to normal. (re @andreklapper: Also, try without custom CSS, custom user scripts, local gadgets, etc. There's stuff and colors on that page which don't belong there. :) See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Locating_broken_scripts) [14:41:45] [telegram] Tonight at 19.00 UTC @Jan_ainali, Nicolas, @fuzheado, and myself invite you all to participate in a "Data Challenge": https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Data_Challenge [15:07:57] [telegram] I have created a TG channel for the https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T282875 project at https://t.me/jupyterrecon. Please feel free to join if you are interested. Ping @Jan_ainali @trnstlntk @WMYupik Doug [15:12:21] [irc] Bosnian95: some users have reported similar issues due to "typography refresh"-style personal CSS or gadgets (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#Font_size_decreased is one example) [15:13:47] [irc] <_joe_> does anyone have a link to the yt stream? [15:13:57] [irc] joakino: ^ [15:13:59] [irc] <_joe_> I just realized I'm 1 hour late :P [15:14:27] [irc] It starts at 17:00Z, so 2 more hours [15:15:11] [irc] <_joe_> oh damn, see? I was 1 hour *early* (I thought it started at 6 pm here) [15:15:25] [irc] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20210521T17 [15:15:32] [irc] yep, in 1h45m, no link to share yet. Once we do we will share the youtube link and a couple of indivious server links + the instances link so that you can pick where you want to go [15:15:36] [irc] it was 17:00 an hour ago local time here, I got worried there :/ [15:15:44] [irc] (sidenote: don't we have a toolforge tool that does time conversion now?) [15:16:15] [irc] not sure, but we should if there is none [15:16:49] [irc] if someone wants to look into indivious options beforehand, here is the link in their repo https://github.com/iv-org/documentation/blob/master/Invidious-Instances.md [15:17:54] [irc] https://yewtu.be/ seems to work fairly well [15:20:33] [telegram] https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1621610417 [15:20:35] [telegram] Gotcha! (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] (sidenote: don't we have a toolforge tool that does time conversion now?)) [15:20:59] [irc] yup, that's what I was thinking of. Knew I had seen one [15:21:28] [irc] Good morning! [15:22:02] [irc] morning! [15:22:05] [irc] still no wm-bot :/ [15:22:26] [irc] nope, no one has heard from petan yet [15:24:55] [irc] if only zonestamp used ISO datetimes and not unix epoch timestamps [15:25:12] [irc] AntiComposite: {{#time:U|2021-05-21 15:22:24}} [15:25:19] [irc] fair [15:25:34] [irc] somebody fix the schedule page :) [15:26:44] [irc] he didn't reply to my email yet [15:26:55] [irc] is there some off the shelf IRC log bot that we can set up? [15:27:10] [irc] meetbot ? [15:27:19] [irc] (I know, I know) [15:28:04] [irc] meetbot is hot garbage [15:29:52] [irc] Petrb was active on FB last week, let me try messaging them there [15:30:24] [irc] legoktm: the big lift is setting up the storage really. Like your thinking there are many logger bots. [15:31:35] [irc] so wm-bot handles 1) logging 2) info bot (also Helpmebot, Asimovbot, ...) 3) wiki RC (also snitch, but I don't think MZ wants to run it anymore), 4) the open socket for Toolforge -> IRC messages [15:31:43] [irc] Segment by server or just swap out some one at a time, and rely on bridging for overlap? [15:32:15] * wm-bb [irc] dinner, can write bots after that [15:32:39] [irc] it would be nice if we could migrate wm-bot so everything stays in one place, it really is pretty reliable, but otherwise we could scrape the info db / RC lists out of wm-bot [15:35:40] [irc] <_joe_> i can write a logging bot in a few hours if needed. I just need some pointers on where to store the logs, but it seems like a bit of a fools errand if we just need the bot to point to a new network [15:36:54] [irc] spinning up a new Cloud VPS project for the storage is easy enough, but getting wm-bot migrated is a much better idea [15:37:58] [irc] I'm guessing that really all that needs to happen is 1) create a wm-bot account on libera 2) update the config for the new nickserv auth and server name [15:38:53] [irc] I wonder if we should expand the scope of the abandoned tool policy to include Cloud VPS projects [15:40:48] [telegram] is it abandoned? I seem to recall getting reasonably timely responses from the wm-bot maintainers not too long ago [15:41:06] [irc] it is not fully abandoned, but it is single maintainer [15:41:20] [irc] and petan isn't always around [15:41:22] [telegram] (although in general I agree that would probably make sense) [15:42:59] [irc] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Schedule&diff=4590636&oldid=4590492&diffmode=source [15:45:07] [irc] sure on-point that the first session (after the intro) is "Finding co-maintainers for your tools" [15:46:07] [irc] yup [15:54:59] * wm-bb [irc] officially has too many chat windows open [15:59:55] [telegram] https://superyetkin.toolforge.org/index.html [15:59:56] [telegram] 502 Bad Gateway? [16:00:34] [irc] Yetkin: we think majavah broke it ;-) but they're looking into it [16:00:36] [irc] yeah, my k8s webservices went down too, reported in #wikimedia-cloud [16:00:52] [irc] we're investigating, thanks [16:01:17] [telegram] ok, thanks [16:05:16] [irc] it should be fixed now [16:16:53] [irc] the opening session is in less than an hour but I don't see a youtube link posted anywhere, when might that be made available? [16:18:23] [irc] <_joe_> apergos: it will only be available as an asciicam feed via telnet [16:18:44] [irc] I see that snark will be available from early on at least :-D [16:19:35] [irc] <_joe_> hey you know I'd prefer that :P [16:19:59] [irc] if you want it you'd better get working on writing it :-P [16:24:23] [irc] Re wm-bot: I could walk to petan's house and livestream it as part of the Hackathon? (Disclaimer: I am not serious) [16:26:38] * wm-bb [irc] is still disappointed that blinkenlights.nl went down [16:27:01] [irc] where am I going to get my BOFH excuses and ASCII Star Wars now? [16:28:48] [irc] <_joe_> andre: that was a fun idea though [16:28:51] [irc] andre: could you at least knock on his door? ;-) [16:29:20] [irc] <_joe_> legoktm: it's only fun if petan comes to the door and is met with a computer with all of us cheering him [16:30:00] [irc] xD [16:50:51] [irc] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w youtube link now up [16:51:57] [telegram] Hello all! The opening of the hackathon will take plce in 10min! [16:51:59] [telegram] You can watch it on the platform of your choice: [16:52:00] [telegram] - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w [16:52:02] [telegram] - Yewtube https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w [16:52:03] [telegram] - Peertube https://tubo.peertube.uno/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w [16:52:05] [telegram] And you can also join us in the Hacking Room 1 for the watchparty! https://meet.jit.si/WMhack2021-Room1 [16:52:06] [telegram] See you soon ✨✨✨ [16:52:08] [telegram] Hello all! The opening of the hackathon will take place in 10min! [16:52:09] [telegram] You can watch it on the platform of your choice: [16:52:11] [telegram] - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w [16:52:12] [telegram] - Yewtube https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w [16:52:14] [telegram] - Peertube https://tubo.peertube.uno/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w [16:52:15] [telegram] And you can also join us in the Hacking Room 1 for the watchparty! https://meet.jit.si/WMhack2021-Room1 [16:52:17] [telegram] See you soon ✨✨✨ [16:53:51] * wm-bb [irc] wonders idly why bb double posted that from Telegram to irc [16:55:24] [irc] if you watch from yewtu.be or other indivious instance, I'll post here because you'll have to refresh the window and click play, it won't auto play [16:56:48] [irc] also if you have problems watching it switch to youtube, sometimes the video playing gets stuck loading and doesn't work 😥 [16:59:25] [telegram] it was posted in three telegram groups that I’m in (hackathon, newcomers, helpers), maybe two of those are bridged to the same IRC channel? (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] wonders idly why bb double posted that from Telegram to irc) [16:59:35] [telegram] or it could be that thing where it re-sends the whole message when it’s edited on telegram [16:59:43] [telegram] it may be because I edited the message because of a typo [17:00:05] [irc] ah, yeah it would be the edit. Mystery solved. :) [17:00:16] [irc] heh [17:00:38] [irc] countdown is live! [17:01:00] [irc] nice ambience tracks [17:01:01] [telegram] youtube’s loud countdown ^^ [17:01:16] [irc] you hear it a hundred times and it's not so nice anymore [17:01:27] [irc] I really wish they had more than one [17:02:05] [irc] or if they would let you disable it [17:02:36] [irc] folks need to have their own hold music ready to go at the moment the stream goes live... [17:02:45] [irc] for this sort of thing you could just schedule it 2 mins in advance [17:03:08] [irc] refresh indivious if you are there now [17:03:55] * wm-bb [irc] thought he had too many chat windows open earlier [17:04:04] [irc] I'm up to 6 now [17:04:37] [irc] AntiComposite: come back when you have 9 different chat _platforms_ open [17:05:31] [irc] meeting people where they are requires a lot of tech apparently ;) [17:11:20] hello wm-bb, you seem to be missing messages? [17:12:49] [telegram] By the way, we also have an awesome online venue this year! We're using WorkAdventure, and you can join the map now to explore the space! Please read carefully this page before joining: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Discussions [17:13:49] [irc] wm-bb is having a hard time keeping up. looks like one of my project might be finally splitting it into multiple bots [17:14:37] [irc] did I miss anything important in the opening that's not on mw.o? /me was busy with dealing a Toolforge issue [17:15:16] [irc] majavah: just a cute video telling you how to find things on wiki [17:15:57] [irc] this work adventure thing is pretty neat [17:16:03] [irc] majavah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEm_fI1x5-w -- it's ~7 minutes long [17:16:09] [irc] thanks [17:16:23] [irc] it's an interseting idea [17:16:27] [irc] I'm "sitting" at the Gadgets and tools table except you can't actually sit down [17:20:12] [irc] for those who haven't explored further, most of the other rooms open Jitsi rooms that might work better to talk in [17:20:31] [irc] also, in IRC tradition I am required to acknowledge the netsplit [17:21:55] [irc] in workadventure, the adhoc videos when you meet with someone on the map are limited to the first 4 people, the rest that join a bubble will be listeners only [17:22:06] [irc] if you want to chat with more, find one of the rooms in the map [17:22:15] [irc] did we lose the bridge? [17:22:26] [irc] are the main meeting rooms accessible via work adventure? [17:22:28] [telegram] from telegram, bridge test [17:22:38] [irc] we have two wm-bb's it seems [17:22:39] [irc] oh good, wm-bb_ must've been something else [17:23:01] [irc] they are not, the jitsi rooms in workadventure are separate and not accessible from there [17:23:28] [irc] I think they aren't linked in any board but the map master will know better (balloons) [17:23:37] [irc] duesen: ^^ [17:36:05] [irc] ah, too bad, that would have made this even more immersive - just wandering into rooms! [17:36:06] [irc] Well, maybe next y... NO, next year we'll do this in real life! [17:36:27] [irc] the LWN mailman3 article Sumana wrote: https://lwn.net/Articles/638090/ [17:37:15] [irc] <_joe_> duesen: do. not. jinx. it. [17:38:34] [irc] we're ranting about MM2 in the gadgets and tools room [17:40:15] [irc] duesen: where do you think we could put them? I'm talking to balloons about this [17:40:31] [irc] maybe room 1 in volcano and room 2 in pit? [17:41:07] [irc] literally putting presenters on the hot seat [17:46:47] [irc] I guess I should find somewhere to go lurk [17:50:08] [telegram] Next session takes place in 10min in the hacking room 1: Finding co-maintainers for your tools! This is definitely a hot topic, be sure to be there :D https://meet.jit.si/WMhack2021-Room1 [17:59:15] [telegram] are we allowed to take part in the data challenge alone? [18:00:40] [telegram] Hi Nikki, I'm sure that you can, as I don't see any reason why not. :D [18:00:41] [telegram] (it says in teams of two to three people on the wiki page) [18:01:30] [telegram] Which page? [18:01:38] [irc] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Data_Challenge [18:02:37] [irc] wow [18:02:40] [irc] this map is incredible [18:02:50] [irc] I just found the goat altar [18:02:58] [telegram]