[00:22:35] [telegram] I missed it ..... (re @joakinol: BTW if you go to the piano in the lounge in workadventure you can also experience lucas' concert from there 😁) [03:19:34] [irc] If you haven't found the 🐐 yet in the adventure map, keep looking! It's worth it I promise. [04:14:27] [telegram] Are all the sessions visible on jitsi app [04:15:37] [irc] that feeling when you show up for the group photo and you end up having to take your own picture :) [04:16:34] [telegram] @pavithraes did not show up to take a group photo, so me and @bd808 did it ourselves: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IqTxSD867ZbMBOlG7S92nXbfr2xtbOUL/view?usp=sharing [04:19:36] [irc] thanks for taking the screenshot @Tohaomg! [04:30:22] bridge check [04:37:24] [telegram] +1! (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] If you haven't found the 🐐 yet in the adventure map, keep looking! It's worth it I promise.) [04:37:58] [telegram] Oops. I got up late. 🙈 [04:37:59] [telegram] Thanks for taking the picture! (re @Tohaomg: @pavithraes did not show up to take a group photo, so me and @bd808 did it ourselves: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IqTxSD867ZbMBOlG7S92nXbfr2xtbOUL/view?usp=sharing) [07:32:31] [irc] bd808: I decided to take on your idea of an application for setting up permissions/owners/etc on a series of channels on an irc server [07:32:56] [irc] but I need someone to write the frontend part :P [07:33:31] [irc] that sounds like an.. interesting project :P [07:34:19] [telegram] Hey joe phab ticket link please ? (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] but I need someone to write the frontend part :P) [07:35:25] [irc] gopavasanth: I am writing it as we speak, it was just a prompt from bryan during the irc fiasco this week :D [07:37:20] joe, Ah okay :) [07:38:27] [irc] joe: oh um, I already got nerdsniped [07:38:38] [irc] lol [07:38:49] [irc] I'm about 85% done with the bot [07:38:59] [irc] ahah ok then I can look at other stuff :P [07:39:29] [irc] I'm so done with manually typing in the same chanserv commands over and over again [07:39:42] [irc] same [07:41:45] [irc] legoktm: my idea was to make a backoffice tool, basically [07:41:59] [irc] but lemme see what you've done once you're done [07:42:16] [irc] I'll work on revamping our base docker images instead :P [08:08:06] [telegram] Has the hacktaon been announced on twitter somewhere? [08:09:25] [telegram] Is this in response to the freenode problem that emmerged during the last week? (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] bd808: I decided to take on your idea of an application for setting up permissions/owners/etc on a series of channels on an irc server) [08:10:17] [irc] Nattes: yeah specifically me, lego.ktm and bd.808 spent the last few days copying settings over from freenode to libera, so we're quite motivated to automate the task in the future :P [08:10:44] [telegram] If you propose something please consider making it easy for newbies to join! I would gladly participate in writing step by step documentation [08:11:11] [irc] Nattes: legoktm stated he's 85% done with the bot so I won't start over :P [08:12:04] [telegram] Great! But I am speaking more of explaining to newbies how to join IRC because that is quite an issue [08:19:03] [irc] joe: here's what I have so far https://gitlab.com/legoktm/ircservserv [08:19:23] [irc] the channel config is stored in data/.toml [08:20:03] [irc] after updating that, issue !issync #channel, the bot will get the current channel state from chanserv, and then detect what flags need changing [08:20:54] [telegram] Hashtag #wmhack (re @Nattes: Has the hacktaon been announced on twitter somewhere?) [08:21:12] [irc] o/ I eat breakfast and join in WA [16:10:12] Freenode bridge check [16:10:56] * wm-bb [irc] grumbles about matterbridge stability/recovery [16:16:28] [irc] hmm, how do I watch chicocvenancio's PAWS talk? [16:16:39] [irc] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Schedule doesn't list jitsi links [16:16:49] [irc] ah, there are yt links [16:16:54] [irc] yuvipanda: they are in the column header [16:17:00] [irc] ya just got it [16:18:07] [irc] ah, makes sense there's no paws-public type interface for jupyterlab! [16:21:29] [telegram] Soooo, I know that Statsd is deprecated and by definition I cannot expect support for it but… anyone could tell me why with the config at https://github.com/JeanFred/inteGraality/commit/f45589bfbca48def3db1db74081acb2efc858bbf I don’t see metrics in https://graphite-labs.wikimedia.org ? :) [16:23:26] [irc] JeanFred: cloudmetrics1002 seems to be down [16:23:49] [telegram] Well *that* would be a good reason indeed :) [16:23:54] [irc] andrewbogott / bd808 / dcaro might know more :P [16:24:49] [irc] JeanFred: but cloudmetrics1001 does listen on port 2003 with carbon-c-relay, so it should work for you [16:26:04] [irc] WHAT IS THIS HOLD MUSIC ON THE YOUTUBE CHANNEL, I MUST KNOW. I know what it is but can't place it... [16:26:26] [irc] it sounds like a 70's soundtrack from an italian b-movie [16:27:25] [telegram] there's music? [16:28:06] [irc] legoktm: do you have any pointers for the Mailman OAuth work? Do I need to set up Mailman locally? [16:28:10] [telegram] huh... indeed, if I turn the volume up enough [16:29:54] [telegram] Wellll, last months when testing I could create metrics using echo "toolforge.integraality.run.$WIKI $elapsed_time_ms $(date +%s)" | nc -q0 cloudmetrics1002.eqiad.wmnet 2003 ; (based on some message in the archives of #wikimedia-cloud) but AFAIK that’s not correct statsd syntax anyway, so maybe statsd is just not running there... (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] JeanFred: but cloudmetrics1001 does listen on port 2003 with ca [16:30:07] [irc] So catchy, is it MacLeod? [16:31:04] [telegram] Wellll, last months when testing I could create metrics using echo "toolforge.integraality.run.$WIKI $elapsed_time_ms $(date +%s)" | nc -q0 cloudmetrics1002.eqiad.wmnet 2003 ; (based on some message in the archives of #wikimedia-cloud) but AFAIK that’s not correct statsd syntax anyway (but graphite syntax), so maybe statsd is just not running there... (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] JeanFred: but cloudmetrics1001 does liste [16:31:42] [telegram] It's a bit higer up in this chat: https://t.me/wmhack/14545 (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] WHAT IS THIS HOLD MUSIC ON THE YOUTUBE CHANNEL, I MUST KNOW. I know what it is but can't place it...) [16:31:43] [telegram] the audio for whoever was just speaking is really choppy, I couldn't understand it [16:32:12] [telegram] It's a bit higher up in this chat: https://t.me/wmhack/14545 (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] WHAT IS THIS HOLD MUSIC ON THE YOUTUBE CHANNEL, I MUST KNOW. I know what it is but can't place it...) [16:35:38] [irc] JeanFred, cloudmetrics1002 has a hardware problem. If it being down is blocking your work you can add a comment or subtask to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T281881 but in any case it's not likely to get attention this weekend :( [16:35:47] [telegram] Oh no! I just mentioned that this talk is prerecorded so we won’t have a live Q/A, but right after the talk we have a session on Documentation hosted by Sarah Rodlund (in Hack room 1) where you can ask any questions you might have. :) (re @Nikki: the audio for whoever was just speaking is really choppy, I couldn't understand it) [16:37:32] [telegram] Thanks for the info! [16:37:33] [telegram] Well I don’t /really/ care about that server − all I wanted was to add some timings to my tiny toolforge tool, and throwing a statsd timer felt like the most straightforward thing... Happy to switch to another server if that’s better (is cloudmetrics1001 fine to use?) the (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] JeanFred, cloudmetrics1002 has a hardware problem. If it being down is blocking your work you can add a comm [16:37:34] [telegram] Thanks for the info! [16:37:36] [telegram] Well I don’t /really/ care about that server − all I wanted was to add some timings to my tiny toolforge tool, and throwing a statsd timer felt like the most straightforward thing... Happy to switch to another server if that’s better (is cloudmetrics1001 fine to use?) (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] JeanFred, cloudmetrics1002 has a hardware problem. If it being down is blocking your work you can add a comment [16:39:07] [irc] JeanFred: I don't know really anything about the setup but you could try 1001. [16:39:43] [irc] Having a service name for the statsd is T241284. But see the comments there about the meh feelings we had a year ago about making it an "official" service. [16:39:44] [irc] T241284: Service name needed for things wanting to write data to WMCS's statsd service - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241284 [16:39:44] T241284: Service name needed for things wanting to write data to WMCS's statsd service - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T241284 [16:44:54] [telegram] @palakgoel_01 https://coremeet.workadventu.re/wikimediawmhackmaps is the maps room [16:52:23] Question people: is there a mw template that creates some sort of a popup or modal or even a tooltip with information on mouse hover ? [16:54:14] [telegram] Link to the presentation from Dan about documentation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Plant_trees_--_writing_documentation_as_a_community.webm [16:54:49] [telegram] In a few minutes, you can continue the discussion about documentation with Sarah and Alex in the Hacking Room 1 https://meet.jit.si/WMhack2021-Room1 [16:54:54] [telegram] where should I join for my main track presentatioan? same as the practice session? [16:55:03] [telegram] The choppyness was totally gone when you closed the talk (re @pavithraes: Oh no! I just mentioned that this talk is prerecorded so we won’t have a live Q/A, but right after the talk we have a session on Documentation hosted by Sarah Rodlund (in Hack room 1) where you can ask any questions you might have. :)) [16:56:26] [telegram] yes @lucaswerkmeister should be the same [16:56:29] [telegram] is the live querying also part of the youtube stream? [16:56:30] [telegram] ok [16:57:42] [telegram] yes :) (re @Nikki: is the live querying also part of the youtube stream?) [16:58:06] [telegram] do we write here if we want to comment? [17:00:51] [telegram] I’m trying to watch here and youtube [17:00:56] [telegram] ok [17:01:57] [telegram] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WMhack2021-live-querying [17:10:05] [telegram] @Jan_ainali yes, all the countries should have shapes [17:10:17] [telegram] there's a weird gap where somaliland is [17:10:29] [telegram] Sweet, that is very useful [17:10:31] [telegram] Love that query! [17:11:05] [telegram] I think I might've been the one who added most of the statements to wikidata (although not the data to commons, that was someone else) [17:11:24] [telegram] If you are interested in playing with the demo Toolhub, check it out at https://toolhub-demo.wmcloud.org/ [17:12:54] [telegram] wdqs is returning 429s for some requests from PAWS [17:13:33] [telegram] geoshapes for items with iso country codes https://w.wiki/3NB4 [17:15:59] [telegram] that looks lovely! (re @bd808: If you are interested in playing with the demo Toolhub, check it out at https://toolhub-demo.wmcloud.org/) [17:16:02] [telegram] Nikki: do you want your nick visible in the etherpad for credit or would you prefer it left out? [17:17:35] [telegram] I'm fine with leaving it out, if I'd added it myself I wouldn't have signed it :) [17:17:55] [telegram] Ok :) [17:21:06] [telegram] Should it be qualifier instead of qualilier? [17:21:48] [telegram] oh I didn't know about wikibase:propertyType [17:23:40] [telegram] ?property and then ?otherProperty? [17:24:24] [telegram] ahh [17:26:53] [telegram] You still had en expensive in the top [17:26:58] [telegram] was the first one slow because that's 20k results times 20k results? [17:27:56] [telegram] one of those weird query service things where it claims that things that shouldn't be hard are impossible 😔 [17:32:04] [telegram] sophox doesn't have the info for displaying the river [17:32:22] [telegram] I hear Sophox only provides access to centroid points, not geometries 😞 [17:32:35] [telegram] I literally tried to fetch rivers before this stream :P [17:34:08] [telegram] Me too. I got as far as the "A start" link in the etherpad: https://tinyurl.com/yz2j6nbt (re @Nikki: I literally tried to fetch rivers before this stream :P) [17:34:50] [telegram] Plotting the centroids shows something as a result as the rivers are split into many short parts [17:36:27] [telegram] Hi @lucamauricom it seems that we both created a Commons category for the hackathon :) Should we merge one into the other? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Remote_Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021 [17:37:42] [telegram] it didn't work for the rhine for me [17:42:27] [telegram] yeah that was réunion [17:47:28] [telegram] I did that one by selecting the title property and contains() and it was pretty fast [17:47:42] [telegram] (rather than the label) [17:49:26] [telegram] here's the query I used: https://w.wiki/3MxG (took 2 seconds) [17:50:58] [telegram] 👀 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95602524 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q106697158 [17:51:19] [telegram] Diff journals? [17:52:25] [telegram] One is the preprint of the other? [17:55:45] [telegram] @lucaswerkmeister nothing in the main track after you, you can end at the top of the hour [17:55:59] [telegram] @lucaswerkmeister you're the last of the day, you can keep going [17:56:21] [telegram] (and the rugby match is finished, Toulouse won so I'd be happy to see more :P) [17:56:25] [telegram] Gaaah, yeah [17:57:07] [telegram] Commons Admin powers, activate! (re @Auregann: Hi @lucamauricom it seems that we both created a Commons category for the hackathon :) Should we merge one into the other? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Remote_Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021) [17:57:16] [telegram] If ypu search for scholarly article, you'll also get all the lovingly miscategorized book reviews etc :D [17:57:26] [telegram] If you search for scholarly article, you'll also get all the lovingly miscategorized book reviews etc :D [17:57:49] [telegram] apparently yes, do we really need/want separate items for preprint? (re @Jan_ainali: One is the preprint of the other?) [17:58:01] [telegram] Just put a redirect on one of them, no admin needed (re @anticomposite: Commons Admin powers, activate!) [17:59:44] [telegram] it's in london [17:59:54] [telegram] It's probably Scottish border and someone had data of all shipwrecks in it [17:59:54] [telegram] in the east, just below the thames [18:00:28] [telegram] @lucaswerkmeister slope could be the (Mercator?) projection also [18:00:59] [telegram] I think the data is from National library of Scotland? [18:02:00] [telegram] 👏 thank you! [18:02:52] [telegram] Hey, where is the "Languages Garden"? :D [18:03:15] [telegram] on the hackathon venue, WorkAdventure https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Discussions#Online_venue [18:03:18] [telegram] Here? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/757f05aa/file_4651.jpg [18:03:27] [telegram] yes, for example [18:03:39] [telegram] people will join in a bit I think [18:04:12] [telegram] https://codethecity.org/2020/12/08/nautical-wrecks/ (re @Jan_ainali: It's probably Scottish border and someone had data of all shipwrecks in it) [18:08:24] [irc] I don't think I've ever seen NickServ this lagged [18:08:43] [irc] growing from zero to >10k users in a few days certainly isn't easy :P [18:08:45] [irc] the bridge should be back up [18:09:20] [telegram] ping [18:09:23] [irc] pong [18:10:49] [telegram] Hi Yuvi! [18:11:02] [telegram] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/8b3f26b6/file_4652_tgs.webp [18:12:11] [telegram] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6223b9b2/file_4653_tgs.webp [18:12:27] [telegram] @chicocvenancio do you think you'll have any time to test the other PAWS PRs today? If so I can stay up for some more time and help [18:12:41] [telegram] HI @Ladsgroup!!!! [18:16:27] [irc] pong [18:16:35] [telegram] ping [18:16:52] [telegram] *two* addshores for the price of one?! [18:16:55] [irc] pong is a game and ping is a command, something about that ain't right [18:17:12] [telegram] I'm building it now. Just merged (re @yuvipanda: @chicocvenancio do you think you'll have any time to test the other PAWS PRs today? If so I can stay up for some more time and help) [18:17:20] [telegram] If you want to meet other participants, now is the best time to join our online venue :) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2021/Discussions#Online_venue [18:18:01] [telegram] (the deploy-hook has been broken since PAWS was moved into its own project) [18:19:14] [telegram] (while it builds) @yuvipanda I haven't used R in forever. Is there an easy way for non-root users to install packages? got this question earlier today [18:19:38] [telegram] @chicocvenancio yeah, you can do install.packages('package') [18:20:37] [telegram] and RStudio has some nice UX for it [18:21:06] [telegram] The Libera.Chat network is feeling the day 3 load pressure. Keeping the bridge up is challenging at the moment [18:24:32] [telegram] https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:chicocvenancio/r-test.ipynb seems simple enough (re @yuvipanda: @chicocvenancio yeah, you can do install.packages('package')) [18:24:56] [telegram] @chicocvenancio yeah that looks right [18:35:06] [telegram] Libera is completely silent now [18:43:11] [telegram] We are following you ;) [18:43:26] [telegram] Just now logging in. Can I ask you a few Qs? What link should I follow to find a session on Accessibility? [18:43:26] [telegram] Especially looking at alternate improved solutions for account creation for potential account registrant who can’t [18:43:28] [telegram] get through main Create Login process. [18:43:29] [telegram] Anyone here on WikiBlind.org team already? Open membership to anyone interested in working with people who are visually impaired or blind? International multiplingual volunteers ready to signup! [18:43:31] [telegram] I’m seeing Kirk Adams, the head of American Federation for the Blind in a couple hours. [18:43:32] [telegram] Afb.org [18:43:34] [telegram] I’d like to show him the conversation and introduce him to you and whomever is there. [18:43:35] [telegram] Suggestions? [18:44:46] [telegram] Just now logging in. Can I ask you a few Qs? What link should I follow to find a session on Accessibility? [18:44:46] [telegram] Especially looking at alternate improved solutions for account creation for potential account registrant who can’t [18:44:47] [telegram] get through main Create Login process. [18:44:49] [telegram] Anyone here on WikiBlind.org team already? Open membership to anyone interested in working with people who are visually impaired or blind? International multiplingual volunteers ready to signup! [18:44:50] [telegram] I’m seeing Kirk Adams, the head of American Federation for the Blind in a couple hours. [18:44:52] [telegram] Afb.org [18:44:53] [telegram] I’d like to show him the conversation and introduce him to you and whomever else is here. He would be happy to do a Q&A - and is an expert in supporting blind accessibility and inclusion. [18:44:55] [telegram] Suggestions? [18:44:56] [telegram] The session was ~3 hours ago. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T282561 But maybe you can find @psychoslave to talk about it! (re @drmelganus: Just now logging in. Can I ask you a few Qs? What link should I follow to find a session on Accessibility? [18:44:58] [telegram] Especially looking at alternate improved solutions for account creation for potential account registrant who can’t [18:44:59] [telegram] get through main Create Login process. [18:45:01] [telegram] Anyone here on WikiBlind.org team already? Open membership to anyone interested in working with people who are visually impaired or blind? International multiplingual volunteers ready to signup! [18:45:02] [telegram] I’m seeing Kirk Adams, the head of American Federation for the Blind in a couple hours. [18:45:04] [telegram] Afb.org [18:45:05] [telegram] I’d like to show him the conversation and introduce him to you and whomever else is here. He would be happy to do a Q&A - and is an expert in supporting blind accessibility and inclusion. [18:45:07] [telegram] Suggestions?) [18:45:37] [telegram] I think someone mentioned the Eurovision watch party would be in WorkAdventure? :D does anyone know where? [18:45:44] [telegram] or is it just the Jitsi on the schedule wiki page [18:46:01] [telegram] I suggested the kitchen (where there's a Jitsi room) [18:46:05] [telegram] ah ok [18:46:48] [telegram] does that room have a public URL we could put in the schedule? [18:46:56] [telegram] Hey, @bd808 feel free to ask me anything, I'll reply as soon as I can, but for now I am going off for a few hours of rest 😁 [18:47:14] [telegram] pushing new version (re @chicocvenancio: I'm building it now. Just merged) [18:47:16] [telegram] yesterday someone found how to link to the embedded WA Jitsi rooms [18:48:05] [telegram] @psychoslave @drmelganus was asking about accessiblity talks. And that he was soon to meet with Kirk Adams from American Federation for the Blind. [18:48:31] [telegram] I think I found it, I’ll replace the link in the schedule (re @Auregann: yesterday someone found how to link to the embedded WA Jitsi rooms) [18:48:52] [telegram] oh, it was already edited [18:49:05]