[00:42:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <chicocvenancio> I'm dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online. (re @drmelganus: It’s the most inclusive Hackathon method to date. I’m wondering if we can do regionals concurrently with hybrid components in the different languages. Perhaps more often? This weekend has been amazing.)
[00:43:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <chicocvenancio> I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online. (re @drmelganus: It’s the most inclusive Hackathon method to date. I’m wondering if we can do regionals concurrently with hybrid components in the different languages. Perhaps more often? This weekend has been amazing.)
[00:48:28] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:48:28] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> For me:  When we can break bread together face to face, I’ll be there - and if I’m traveling I’ll come visit any wiki friends in the region.
[00:48:30] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> In the meantime, I’ve been really really happy with the inclusivity now happening as every project in my life / our lives now has an online community component. I love that this weekend has been 24/7 - I can take care of my mom (I’m her caregiver / roommate) and pop in when timing fits. So I’m hopeful we’ll be doing more events online also year round (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems l
[00:51:35] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:51:36] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> For me:  When we can break bread together face to face, I’ll be there - and if I’m traveling I’ll come visit any wiki friends in the region.
[00:51:37] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> In the meantime, I’ve been really really happy with the inclusivity now happening as every project in my life / our lives now has an online community component. I love that this weekend has been 24/7 - I can take care of my mom (I’m her caregiver / roommate) and pop in when timing fits. 
[00:51:39] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> And I’ve made so many crazy new wiki friends around the world! As the Cheshire Cat said in Alice in Wonderland: “We’re all mad here.” (Citation needed 🕳 🐇)
[00:51:40] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> Huge THANK YOUd to everyone here, especially the organizers who made this possible!!  
[00:51:42] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’m hopeful we’ll be doing more events online also year round. Happy to help wherever I can! (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online.)
[00:51:53] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:51:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> For me:  When we can break bread together face to face, I’ll be there - and if I’m traveling I’ll come visit any wiki friends in the region.
[00:51:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> In the meantime, I’ve been really really happy with the inclusivity now happening as every project in my life / our lives now has an online community component. I love that this weekend has been 24/7 - I can take care of my mom (I’m her caregiver / roommate) and pop in when timing fits. 
[00:51:57] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> And I’ve made so many crazy new wiki friends around the world! As the Cheshire Cat said in Alice in Wonderland: “We’re all mad here.” (Citation needed 🕳 🐇)
[00:51:58] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> Huge THANK YOUS to everyone here, especially the organizers who made this possible!!  
[00:52:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’m hopeful we’ll be doing more events online also year round. Happy to help wherever I can! (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online.)
[00:52:47] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:52:48] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> For me:  When we can break bread together face to face, I’ll be there - and if I’m traveling I’ll come visit any wiki friends in the region.
[00:52:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> In the meantime, I’ve been really really happy with the inclusivity now happening as every project in my life / our lives now has an online community component. I love that this weekend has been 24/7 - I can take care of my mom (I’m her caregiver / roommate) and pop in when timing fits. 
[00:52:51] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> And I’ve made so many crazy new wiki friends around the world!
[00:52:52] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> Huge THANK YOUS to everyone here, especially the organizers who made this possible!!  
[00:52:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’m hopeful we’ll be doing more events online also year round. Happy to help wherever I can! (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online.)
[00:52:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> As the Cheshire Cat said after Alice fell down the rabbit hole into Wonderland: “We’re all mad here.” (Citation needed)
[00:53:53] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:53:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> For me:  When we can break bread together face to face, I’ll be there - and if I’m traveling I’ll come visit any wiki friends in the region.
[00:53:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> In the meantime, I’ve been really really happy with the inclusivity now happening as every project in my life / our lives now has an online community component. I love that this weekend has been 24/7 - I can take care of my mom (I’m her caregiver / roommate) and pop online when timing fits. 
[00:53:57] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> And I’ve made so many crazy new wiki friends around the world! Thrilled to be working with you on these world changing projects.
[00:53:58] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> Huge THANK YOUS to everyone here, especially the organizers who made this possible!!  
[00:54:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’m hopeful we’ll be doing more events online also year round. Happy to help wherever I can! (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online.)
[00:54:35] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> .
[00:55:46] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:55:48] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> For me:  When we can break bread together face to face, I’ll be there - and if I’m traveling I’ll come visit any wiki friends in the region.
[00:55:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> In the meantime, I’ve been really really happy with the inclusivity now happening as every project in my life / our lives now has an online community component. I love that this weekend has been 24/7 - I can take care of my mom (I’m her caregiver / roommate) and pop online when timing fits. 
[00:55:51] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> And I’ve made so many other crazy new wiki friends around the world! We are a strange bunch of people, dedicating so much of our time to the future of human knowledge. 
[00:55:52] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> As the Cheshire Cat said after Alice fell down the rabbit hole into Wonderland: “We’re all mad here.” (Citation needed)
[00:55:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> Thrilled to be working with you on these world changing projects.
[00:55:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> Huge THANK YOUS to everyone here, especially the organizers who made this possible!!  
[00:55:57] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> I’m hopeful we’ll be doing more events online also year round. Happy to help wherever I can! (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online.)
[00:56:07] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <chicocvenancio> > I’ve heard so so many people wanting to get together face to face as soon as it’s safe and possible to do so. 
[00:56:09] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <chicocvenancio> Indeed, I don't think it is desirable to stop having in person events. But maybe having online events as well could be a good thing. Maybe aiming to having an online hackathon in a different time of the year for 2023?
[00:57:54] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> We’re thinking about having a WikiBlind Hackathon online a lot sooner. We’ve got two telegram groups now discussing WikiBlind and Accessibility. We’d welcome anyone interested to join us on solving the big problems we have in accessibility and user interfaces.
[00:58:16] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> https://t.me/wikimedia_accessibility
[00:58:57] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> https://t.me/wikiblind
[01:28:13] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <drmelganus> So true!! (re @waldyrious: (that said, I really loved it, especially the workadventure part! I didn't realize how much I had been missing the networking dynamic in virtual events!))
[05:37:52] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> +1 to more online events legoktm
[07:23:12] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <waldyrious> Hear, hear! +1 (re @chicocvenancio: I dislike hybrid approaches, it always seems like online participation is second tier. When everyone is only online we have a lot more incentive to connect online.)
[07:24:38] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <legoktm> here is the etherpad to provide feedback: https://w.wiki/3Nda
[07:29:06] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Magva> Hello, Do you know how to put where to change the logo like in the photo wit the vector skin I have searched but still no result;
[07:29:19] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Magva> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d302087c/file_4701.jpg
[07:29:42] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <legoktm> Magva: I think it's either wordmark or tagline in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLogos
[07:35:34] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <legoktm> it would be nice if we had a third online-only hackathon in addition to the hopefully soon-to-be-in-person Wikimedia hackathon in the spring and Wikimania hackathon in the summer/fall
[07:40:52] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> legoktm: it would be nice to have a workventure wiki space always open tbh
[07:42:22] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Nikki> I like the idea of keeping the online-only hackathon in some form
[07:43:23] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Tohaomg> Ideally, we should have offline hackatons with opportunity to join it online (re @Nikki: I like the idea of keeping the online-only hackathon in some form)
[08:16:26] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <legoktm> _joe_: maybe. I was not super productive because I was talking to people and got into really interesting conversations. But maybe that's also because it's been so long that I've been in that environment, if it were more regular I'd be more focused
[08:29:27] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <waldyrious> Same here. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <legoktm> _joe_: maybe. I was not super productive because I was talking to people and got into really interesting conversations. But maybe that's also because it's been so long that I've been in that environment, if it were more regular I'd be more focused)
[08:30:18] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> I would argue that having interesting conversations *is* being productive :)
[08:35:01] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <addshore> I did a mix of not hackathoning, hacking, and talking :)
[08:35:12] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <addshore> In the spirit of documentation, I wrote https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cli
[08:36:52] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> addshore: a bit late, but
[08:37:07] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <addshore> Yeah :P timeline wise i was alll over the place
[08:37:10] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> docker pull docker-registry.discovery.wmnet/buster:2021-05-24
[08:37:21] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <addshore> o
[08:37:27] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> no I meant I'm a bit late, not you :D
[08:37:29] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> sorry
[08:37:36] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <addshore> oh, i was also late, i wrote that page last night
[08:37:37] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> s/buster/bullseye/
[08:37:50] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> I'm working on our bullseye image right now
[08:38:00] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> we have a first version, probably good enough for most uses
[09:12:20] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Nikki> I didn't say there shouldn't be offline ones or that there shouldn't be opportunities for people to remotely participate in offline ones, but I think a mixed offline/online one would always be a better experience for the people who can attend in person than for the people who can only attend online, so I would like to keep an online-only one in some form (re @Tohaomg: Ideally, we should have offline hackatons with opportunity to 
[09:14:01] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <legoktm> ^ agreed, I don't think hybrid works well
[09:14:18] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <_joe_> +1
[13:30:20] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Galder> hello! Does anyone know WHERE to translate this message? https://eu.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikisource-download-button
[13:32:48] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> Do you have an example on a page where it is used?
[13:33:31] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Galder> actually, everywhere: https://eu.wikisource.org/wiki/Biblia
[13:37:57] <wm-bb>	 [irc] <majavah> @Galder: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-wikisource&language=fi&filter=&action=translate, change language to what you need and filter for "Download"
[13:43:33] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Galder> thanks! I couldn't find it at translatewiki
[13:44:01] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Jan_ainali> I couldn't find it with @lucaswerkmeister new tool either: https://translate-link.toolforge.org/show/MediaWiki:Wikisource-download-button/sv
[13:46:32] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Galder> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2f10bbfb/file_4708.jpg
[13:46:43] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Galder> wow! Is this really going to happen?
[13:46:55] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> yup, I’m on it (re @Jan_ainali: I couldn't find it with @lucaswerkmeister new tool either: https://translate-link.toolforge.org/show/MediaWiki:Wikisource-download-button/sv)
[13:47:28] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> (the correct URL would be https://translate-link.toolforge.org/show/wikisource-download-button/sv – message key, not URL – but that currently throws an error; I’m fixing that)
[13:47:33] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> (the correct URL would be https://translate-link.toolforge.org/show/wikisource-download-button/sv – message key, not title – but that currently throws an error; I’m fixing that)
[13:47:42] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> (and then maybe I can make requests with titles work as well
[13:47:45] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> (and then maybe I can make requests with titles work as well)
[14:12:43] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <lucaswerkmeister> fixed (re @lucaswerkmeister: (the correct URL would be https://translate-link.toolforge.org/show/wikisource-download-button/sv – message key, not title – but that currently throws an error; I’m fixing that))
[15:22:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> Yes, having both way to participate would probably improve the accessibility. 
[15:22:03] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> I agree it came with many convinces, but I still missed the things that on site presence can bring. 
[15:22:04] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> We nonetheless should take into account the extra work it might put on organizers. I seize the opportunity to thanks the whole organizing team ❣️ (re @chicocvenancio: Yeah, that is definitely an issue. Still I think it was a lot more accessible in other ways (no travel time, no visas, no scholarship limitations, etc).
[15:22:06] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> I'm wondering if we could try to keep an all remote hackathon going when in person hackathons are possible.)
[15:22:39] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> Yes, having both way to participate would probably improve the accessibility. 
[15:22:40] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> I agree it came with many conviniences, but I still missed the things that on site presence can bring. 
[15:22:42] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> We nonetheless should take into account the extra work it might put on organizers. I seize the opportunity to thanks the whole organizing team ❣️ (re @chicocvenancio: Yeah, that is definitely an issue. Still I think it was a lot more accessible in other ways (no travel time, no visas, no scholarship limitations, etc).
[15:22:43] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> I'm wondering if we could try to keep an all remote hackathon going when in person hackathons are possible.)
[15:28:02] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> I especially appreciated the effort put to use FLOSS tools and services. It certainly wasn't the most straightforward choice, but the team was bold enough to tackle the challenge. 👏
[15:32:06] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> If there are opportunity to lower the cost and diminish required required human resources on the organizing side, maybe we could investigate to create more similar online events per year. But here the organizing team will be the better placed to assess such a potential of scaling such an online event.
[15:33:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> By the way, will the work adventure stay online indefinitely?
[15:49:04] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <yuvipanda> @fuzheado btw there's some conversation about OpenRefine in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Tools/OpenRefine#OpenRefine_now_available_on_PAWS! that you might be interested in
[15:49:46] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <yuvipanda> aha, and one of those people is @lucaswerkmeister 🙂
[15:51:00] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <yuvipanda> well if there's interest in getting some extensions installed by default, happy to
[15:55:49] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <fuzheado> Awesome thanks for that (re @yuvipanda: well if there's interest in getting some extensions installed by default, happy to)
[19:11:36] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <psychoslave> I agree, and I think it's maybe because it's more difficult to match with metrics that it might felt otherwise. (re @wmtelegram_bot: [irc] <_joe_> I would argue that having interesting conversations *is* being productive :))
[19:50:12] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin> How to use custom fonts on Wikimedia wikis? Just tried
[19:50:13] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin> <span style="font-family:KhmerOS; src: local("KhmerOS"),
[19:50:15] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin>        url(https://tr.wikisource.org/w/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector/data/fontrepo/fonts/KhmerOS/KhmerOS.woff2)">1 2 3 4 a b c d</span>
[19:50:16] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin> but that does not seem to be working
[20:46:16] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin> Activating the font settings on Universal Language Selector did the trick 😊 (re @Yetkin: How to use custom fonts on Wikimedia wikis? Just tried
[20:46:16] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin> <span style="font-family:KhmerOS; src: local("KhmerOS"),
[20:46:18] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin>        url(https://tr.wikisource.org/w/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector/data/fontrepo/fonts/KhmerOS/KhmerOS.woff2)">1 2 3 4 a b c d</span>
[20:46:19] <wm-bb>	 [telegram] <Yetkin> but that does not seem to be working)