[13:13:28] I now have a 'staging' environment for 1.46 and am witnessing the same weirdness again; upgraded 1.44 to 1.45.4 fine but 1.46.0 has these weird cache (?) issues, going to try disabling cache later... weirdly enough, the other 4 wikis (straight 1.43 → 1.46) have no issues that I can point out [16:32:22] after poking around I encountered something baffling: if I set $wgMainCacheType to CACHE_NONE, any edits to MediaWiki:Sidebar, MediaWiki:Sitenotice and MediaWiki:Mainpage (and most likely other such pages) are ignored entirely. If it's any other working cache, the changes apply, but only until cache expiration, after which it resets. [16:33:26] this is without any sort of reverse cache between the client and MW (haproxy passes requests straight to Apache, bypassing varnish, anubis and iocaine) [16:33:49] there are no issues on 1.44.x and 1.45.4 [16:34:29] (this is with PHP 8.4 as 8.5 for some reason SIGSEGVs every 20 seconds) [16:47:44] this happens even when I disable all extensions [16:49:42] and honestly I cannot figure out why this only happens to this specific wiki :( [17:01:03] also the Special Pages link disappeared from the sidebar which is even more baffling… [17:03:20] Just a note: https://dpaste.org/ is dead for a while now, replace it with pastebin [17:15:33] * Remilia has figured out specialpages deprecation, but not the weird MediaWiki namespace [19:52:44] unless anyone has any better ideas [19:53:11] so many pastebins have been shut down. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/paste/ requires auth unfortunately [19:53:45] could use https://paste.debian.net/ I suppose [19:58:46] https://paste.toolforge.org/ ? [20:37:12] sigh, after spending 4 hours trying things and digging through debug logs I am no closer to a solution or even any clue to what is happening, and there is not enough information to even create a phabricator issue [21:09:57] Remilia: You've possibly got enough to start documenting it [21:10:05] In phab more people will see it, so you might jog someones memory [21:39:37] Reedy: all right, doing just that [21:40:32] I think I'll basic-auth protect the staging environment so I can provide the illustration without having scrapers flood it [21:49:54] hmm is there a way on Phabricator to hide a text snippet from users who are not logged in? [21:58:31] T431147 created, I hope I did not make myself look like an idiot while missing something obvious (happens too often) [21:58:32] T431147: MediaWiki 1.46.0: upgrade from 1.44/1.45 leads to MediaWiki: namespace pages' content being ignored in an unexpected way for at least one instance - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T431147