[00:04:48] https://nonciclopedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Contributi/79.27.168.142 https://nonciclopedia.org/wiki/DMEHUS_MERDA_SHIT @Doug You have these to deal with. [00:05:10] [url] Curriculum di 79.27.168.142 - Nonciclopedia | nonciclopedia.org [00:05:10] [url] DMEHUS MERDA SHIT - Nonciclopedia | nonciclopedia.org [00:06:30] https://nonciclopedia.org/wiki/HEY_DMEHUS_(MERDA_SHIT_CRAP)_HO_APPENA_GACATO_UNA_FRAGRANTE_E_PUZZOLENTISSIMA_MERDA_NEL_MIO_CESSO,_VAI_A_SLINGUETTARTI_LA_MIA_MERDA_PUZZOLENTISSIMA_E_GUSTALA_CON_GUSTO And there's more, with more gusto in the mix. [00:06:31] [url] HEY DMEHUS (MERDA SHIT CRAP) HO APPENA GACATO UNA FRAGRANTE E PUZZOLENTISSIMA MERDA NEL MIO CESSO, VAI A SLINGUETTARTI LA MIA MERDA PUZZOLENTISSIMA E GUSTALA CON GUSTO - Nonciclopedia | nonciclopedia.org [00:21:41] wtf [00:22:15] @SelfCloak It's just from some pathetic LTA troll who thinks they're funny. [00:22:19] nonciclopediawiki * [[AFTER A MONTH HE BECAME STEWARD OF MIRAHEZE, DMEHUS (SHIT) WAS NOMINATED TO BE UNSTEWARDED BECAUSE HE WAS ACCUSED OF LAZYNESS, CYBERBULLING, HARRASSING, KIDNAPPING, HOMICIDE, GENOCIDE AND WAR CRIMES. ONLY RECEPTIOSHIT123 VOTED TO SAVE HIM, WHAT A SHAME!]] !N [00:22:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/AFTER_A_MONTH_HE_BECAME_STEWARD_OF_MIRAHEZE%2c_DMEHUS_(SHIT)_WAS_NOMINATED_TO_BE_UNSTEWARDED_BECAUSE_HE_WAS_ACCUSED_OF_LAZYNESS%2c_CYBERBULLING%2c_HARRASSING%2c_KIDNAPPING%2c_HOMICIDE%2c_GENOCIDE_AND_WAR_CRIMES._ONLY_RECEPTIOSHIT123_VOTED_TO_SAVE_HIM%2c_WHAT_A_SHAME! [00:24:36] reception123, and Dmehus are onne of the most friendliest Miraheze users [00:25:02] Indeed they are but it's LTA behavior, what else is there to be expected [00:25:32] dmehus will be here soon. Sometimes a local admin will handle it if they're around anyway. [02:32:11] [[Special:CentralAuth/GuessWhosFromBasedLands]] @Doug That "based guy" person, who's original master account is BasedGuy123, has apparently returned, and the username is quackingly similar to prior usernames such as Basedguy782718781, BasedGuy123, ManFromMostBasedCountry1977, and even ManFromLeastBasedLands2006. With some not so obvious evidence such as the diffs below it: [02:32:11] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/GuessWhosFromBasedLands [02:32:12] https://reallifevillains.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Leonid_Brezhnev&diff=prev&oldid=129890 (ManFromMostBasedCountry1977 making homophobic edits here, although it is a locked sockpuppet account) https://reallifevillains.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Che_Guevara&diff=prev&oldid=137705 (GuessWhosFromBasedLands, using similar offensive slurs) [02:32:12] https://reallifevillains.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Abdullah_%C3%96calan&type=revision&diff=137703&oldid=129525 (GuessWhosFromBasedLands, using inappropriate wording in an article, well, you see the point here.) [02:32:13]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/GuessWhosFromBasedLands [02:32:13] [url] Difference between revisions of "Leonid Brezhnev" - Real Life Villains Wiki | reallifevillains.miraheze.org [02:32:14] [url] Difference between revisions of "Abdullah Öcalan" - Real Life Villains Wiki | reallifevillains.miraheze.org [02:32:15] [url] Difference between revisions of "Che Guevara" - Real Life Villains Wiki | reallifevillains.miraheze.org [02:32:16] [url] Global account information for GuessWhosFromBasedLands - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [02:36:12] https://reallifevillains.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Jorge_Rafael_Videla&diff=prev&oldid=130221 (ManFromLeastBasedLands2006) https://reallifevillains.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Jorge_Rafael_Videla&diff=prev&oldid=137707 (GuessWhosFromBasedLands) Oh look, GuessWhosFromBasedLands re-added the same thing as what ManFromLeastBasedLands2006 has added in earlier. [02:36:14] [url] Difference between revisions of "Jorge Rafael Videla" - Real Life Villains Wiki | reallifevillains.miraheze.org [02:36:15] [url] Difference between revisions of "Jorge Rafael Videla" - Real Life Villains Wiki | reallifevillains.miraheze.org [02:38:00] Could you give it a good look @dmehus? [02:43:34] $log Rolled back page blanking vandalism on [[mh:darkrp|darkrpwiki]] [02:43:34] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/darkrp [02:43:41] Saved item "Rolled back page blanking vandalism on [[mh:darkrp|darkrpwiki]]" [02:43:41] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/darkrp [02:44:30] Oh, thank god you're here, dmehus. [02:49:35] I'll look in a bit at the -cvt reports [02:49:56] Very good. Take all the time you need. [03:36:04] DarkMatterMan4500, done [03:37:02] $log Rolled back, deleted, and otherwise remove disruptive vandalism by persistent LTA. Also protected one page for a month on [[mh:nonciclopedia|nonciclopediawiki]] [03:37:02] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/nonciclopedia [03:37:08] Saved item "Rolled back, deleted, and otherwise remove disruptive vandalism by persistent LTA. Also protected one page for a month on [[mh:nonciclopedia|nonciclopediawiki]]" [03:37:08] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/nonciclopedia [03:37:16] Bukkit, will do shortly [07:46:19] dmehus are you the only one permitted to save items to Void-bot ? 🤭 [09:47:13] @Joseph No, there are other members who are admins that can save items to Void-bot? Reception123 does the same thing. [10:04:58] I think it's more that dmehus is the only one to regularly do it in public [10:05:11] I've seen the titular Void himself do it a few times [10:05:30] Same applies to @Reception123. [10:18:34] I also do it, sometimes I admit I forget but it's good for transparency especially as a GS [10:18:49] Stewards tend to do it less but I personally think GS should do it [10:19:24] Technically anyone *can* but unless you're Steward or GS there's no reason to do so (same for the SRE log) [10:20:31] I probably can't use the !log command, since I don't have anything powerful enough to even use it. [10:20:53] Nope. Definitely can't. [10:21:29] Its $log here but please don't as there's no need [10:22:20] Oh yeah. I definitely won't use it unless I become a Meta admin or something like that. [10:22:44] Which I won't plan on applying for at least awhile. [10:27:00] darkmatterman450: if you become Meta admin you shouldn't use it either [10:27:12] because Meta admins are acting locally, the CVT log is only for things done on wikis where you aren't a local admin/crat [10:28:41] Yeah, good point. [10:40:19] Special:Log [10:40:23] Is for local actions [10:42:53] You're not wrong there, @RhinosF1. [15:12:26] Yeah, Void-bot's $log command is only accepted from voiced users, as far as I am aware, as it works differently than MirahezeLogbot's !log command [15:13:10] and what others said (Reception123, RhinosF1) re: CVT action log's purpose [15:14:06] @Raidarr, why "titular Void"? [15:14:15] [[wikt:titular]] [15:14:15] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/titular [15:14:35] oh [15:14:55] I mean, Void's still the second most active Steward right, I would say [15:15:01] @dmehus I saw what you were doing back there when you dealt with DearMaster6. [15:15:04] so that's a bit unfair, I think [15:15:14] s/right/right now [15:15:14] dmehus meant to say: I mean, Void's still the second most active Steward right now, I would say [15:16:30] Ugochimobi: see what Reception123 (and others) wrote in reply to your question [15:18:08] But hold up, I still have this posted regarding the returning sockpuppet of BasedGuy123 that I reported, even the one from back in June. Wouldn't you agree the username GuessWhosFromBasedLands, shares a quackingly similar username to ManFromLeastBasedLands2006, Basedguy782718781, ManFromMostBasedCountry1977 and BasedGuy123? [15:24:25] I will take a look at that shortly [15:24:35] Okay, thank you. [16:41:09] @SelfCloak Saw your DM on IRC and will action [17:13:49] [[Special:CentralAuth/TheFlyingMonkeMan]] @Doug Okay, I did some digging on this guy, and he's an apparent sockpuppet of TheSillyChimpanzee05, after seeing this on his userpage: https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User:TheFlyingMonkeMan&oldid=133654 TheSillyChimpanzee05 was originally blocked for egregious violations of the Code of Conduct, so him creating a new account in order to circumvent a block [17:13:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/TheFlyingMonkeMan [17:13:49] would mean he's currently engaging in deceptive behavior. Several links to diffs are as follows: https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Conservatism&diff=prev&oldid=133632 https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Conservatism&diff=prev&oldid=133634 (TheFlyingMonkeMan) https://polcompball.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Conservatism&diff=prev&oldid=117941 (TheSillyChimpanzee05) They both generally overlap on this [17:13:50] page called Conservatism. [17:13:50] [url] User:TheFlyingMonkeMan - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [17:13:52] [url] Difference between revisions of "Conservatism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [17:13:53] [url] Difference between revisions of "Conservatism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [17:13:54] [url] Difference between revisions of "Conservatism" - Polcompball Wiki | polcompball.miraheze.org [17:15:49]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/TheFlyingMonkeMan [17:15:50] [url] Global account information for TheFlyingMonkeMan - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [17:17:23] @Agent, you might want to also see this too. [17:33:58] DarkMatterMan4500, based on those diffs, I'd say likely no. TheSillyChimpanzee05's edit seems to contradict or otherwise dispute the contention of TheFlyingMonkeMan [17:34:40] Ah, okay. Just thought I'd bring up my concern about this user. [17:34:46] That being said, their usernames are similar. I'd recommend unblocking the latter user, personally, and see if they continue to operate the two accounts deceptively and more behaviourally similarly [17:35:10] I'm not an admin of the polcompballwiki at all. [17:35:23] oh [17:36:00] see [[:mh:polcolcompball]] and ask for assistance from a network sysop, or just ask Agent :) [17:36:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:mh:polcolcompball [17:36:06] and I'm sure he'd unblock them :) [17:36:10] @Agent ^ [17:36:40] s/polcolcompball/polcompball [17:36:42] dmehus meant to say: see [[:mh:polcompball]] and ask for assistance from a network sysop, or just ask Agent :) [17:36:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:mh:polcompball [17:38:11] @Doug Also, do you have some time to look into some of my reports like the GuessWhosFromBasedLands case, including a couple of other wikis you still have one of your flags still up (excluding the loginwiki)? [17:44:25] sure, will do [17:58:51] dmehus: reply? Where? [18:01:34] @Joseph Bukkit I think he meant on a DM you sent him. [18:03:19] Ugochimobi: scroll up and see where I replied to you [18:04:01] My reply asked you to scroll further back and see what Reception123 and others replied to your question re: $log [18:19:18] 'Titular' was an attempt to reference title (the bot's name) which clearly was not successful >.> [18:32:43] dmehus: ah, thank you, I saw the responses, you're awesome. [18:33:12] dmehus: ty for meta [18:33:25] @raidarr, heh, I actually got what you meant by titular immediately I saw it, but indeed generally it wasn't successful, heh [18:34:31] I wonder if a maintenance alias like deployment would be good [18:35:45] For the wikis? [18:36:41] s/For the wikis?/RhinosF1 for the whole wikis? [18:36:41] ugochimobi meant to say: RhinosF1 for the whole wikis? [18:37:09] What do you mean for all wikis? [18:48:19] @dmehus, Can we talk in private for a moment if you have a second or two? [18:54:22] RhinosF1, you mean the SRE guide? np :) [18:54:30] ugochimobi: cool, ty :) [18:54:34] dmehus: ye [18:54:40] will look at your case this week, ugochimobi [18:54:45] RhinosF1, oh, np :) [18:54:48] I think that's the only one with mwtask1 mentioned [18:54:52] been meaning to make that page for awhile [18:54:56] heh yeah [18:55:15] I'm going to make a guide page for the import images script [18:55:22] But if needed we could could maintenance.miraheze.org or maint.miraheze.org so we don't need to update on server changes [18:55:23] that's even worse for RC flooding [18:55:32] yeah [18:55:34] Like we have for deployment.miraheze.org [18:55:52] Either do a dns pr or I can later [18:55:58] true [18:56:04] mwtask might make more sense [18:56:07] yeah unlikely we'd ever need to rename the ns servers :P [18:56:17] ns doesn't get renamed [18:56:25] They are based on the dns spec [18:56:29] I know, that's why I said that yeah [18:56:58] I mean, you can technically have multiple nameservers and specify custom ns subdomains, but ns1 and ns2 are standard, yeah [18:57:05] CosmicAlpha: ^ [18:57:18] Does a CNAME for task sound cool [18:57:44] I also DMed CosmicAlpha about the SRE guide page, RhinosF1 [18:57:55] CNAME for what? [18:58:00] the subdomain for mwtask1? [18:58:14] Between something like mwtask.mh.o and which ever is the active maint server [18:58:27] We do it for deployment so docs never need to be updated [18:58:41] I mean, would we ever rename that mw task server if we migrate cloud servers? [18:58:49] if not, then I'd favour deployment.miraheze.org [18:58:52] We can just say deployment.miraheze.org is always the active server [18:58:56] but otherwise I'd stick with mwtask1 [18:59:03] dmehus: see my response to DM also. [18:59:05] deployment is mw11 at the moment [18:59:13] CosmicAlpha, okay will do [18:59:17] mwtask will go up 1 every time we get new gear [18:59:23] @dmehus Also mine as well. [18:59:27] Or for some reason decide to replace it [18:59:31] RhinosF1, ah it's an alias for mw11 then [18:59:44] yeah no objections to fixing that then [18:59:57] does mw11 = mwtask1 though? [19:00:01] In future worlds if we had multi dc then you'd alias for the active [19:00:08] dmehus: no mwtask is it's own server [19:00:13] With what, mwtask2 or something? [19:00:21] And RhinosF1: re cname for mwtask1, not sure really, I guess it could be good. [19:00:21] My point is whether to alias mwtask to the active one [19:00:28] so why would you reference deployment.miraheze.org for mwtask1 if it's associated to mw11? [19:00:40] or are you proposing to redirect deployment.miraheze.org to mw11? [19:00:43] dmehus: I said we do it now for the deployment server [19:00:43] dmehus: it was an example not a reference. [19:00:48] Deployment already is mw11 [19:00:52] darkmatterman450: yes [19:00:58] CosmicAlpha, RhinosF1, ack okay thanks :) [19:01:31] CosmicAlpha: I'll do dns if you do cw blacklist as I'm mobile [19:01:42] then yeah, why something like mwmaintenance.miraheze.org as a CNAME alias for mwtask1? [19:02:10] RhinosF1, I can do cwblacklist :P [19:02:14] RhinosF1: doing blacklist. What would it be then, just mwtask? If so it already is blacklisted. [19:02:18] aww :( [19:02:35] I !vote for mwmaintenance.miraheze.org [19:02:45] maintenance.miraheze.org is non-MediaWiki specific and ambiguous [19:02:52] dmehus: mwtask is easier to spell and remember [19:03:03] CosmicAlpha: that was my plan [19:03:06] RhinosF1, mwtask is already blacklisted though? [19:03:12] dmehus: When you have a moment or two, check your DMs on IRC. [19:03:17] if mwtask is to be an alias for mwtask1 [19:03:24] Yeah I like mwtask for that reason also. And yes it is already blacklisted. [19:03:27] dmehus: wasn't sure if the regex matched bare too [19:03:46] RhinosF1, yeah Omega/Void fixed that so anything mwtask* is blacklisted [19:04:17] Dns pr sent [19:04:42] RhinosF1: that's why I changed some to be {0,2} awhile ago, rather than {1,2} so it does match even without numbers. [19:04:44] dmehus: you can just use mwtask with no number in docs then :) [19:04:49] CosmicAlpha: nice! [19:06:32] RhinosF1, ack, will do [19:07:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Tech:Deleting_and_moving_batches_of_pages_on_a_wiki&diff=211860&oldid=211859 [19:07:03] [url] Difference between revisions of "Tech:Deleting and moving batches of pages on a wiki" - Miraheze Meta | meta.miraheze.org [19:12:31] dmehus: why create Tech:mwtask [19:12:54] The whole point is to not need to update wikis when replacing them as much [19:13:47] RhinosF1, actually this is better since now I can link to just Tech:Mwtask and it'll always point to the current mw task server [19:14:10] dmehus: why do you need to link anything [19:14:13] rather than linking to Tech:Mwtask1, Tech:Mwtask2, etc [19:14:21] And who is going to ensure that redirect is updated [19:14:22] RhinosF1, it's potentially helpful :P [19:14:28] RhinosF1, me [19:14:33] Fair enough [19:14:36] it's very Gnomey [19:14:37] heh [19:14:55] We will keep the dns right [19:15:06] Agent can be the deputy Gnome if I forget :P [19:15:28] Because that's canonical and important [19:15:28] But less work for us is fun [19:15:35] Da [19:15:37] Da [19:15:46] Fancy tools to do it would be nice [19:15:54] We need something like netbox reall [19:15:56] Really [19:16:33] DarkMatterMan4500, saw your local block [19:16:43] [[Special:GlobalBlock]] [19:16:43] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:GlobalBlock [19:19:59] DarkMatterMan4500, lol it's already globally blocked. :P [19:20:47] 🤔 [19:21:11] :MHBan: [19:25:13] Bongo-Cat, http://bukkit.uwu.ai/ is broken now. It existed before [19:25:13] [url] Page not found | bukkit.uwu.ai [19:25:18] and what's UWU.ai? [19:26:09] It’s a portfolio type thing, I got a free trial for other domain names [19:26:29] Bongo-Cat, ah, interesting, weird that uwu.ai and www.uwu.ai don't resolve [19:26:36] Yeah [19:26:54] only the sub domains that are registered do. [19:27:00] oh [19:27:03] idk why they’d do that [19:27:11] https://whois.icann.org/ [19:27:12] [url] ICANN Lookup | whois.icann.org [19:27:17] they could have redirect it to the main website [19:27:30] yeah, seems to be a more common practice now to not redirect to the main site [19:27:32] but it's silly [19:29:01] heh, deputy gnome [19:29:45] heh [19:30:07] Looks like the Government of Anguilla is having technical issues with the .at ccTLD root :P (https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/ai.html) [19:30:08] [url] .ai Domain Delegation Data | www.iana.org [19:30:15] whois.ai and nic.ai don't resolve [19:30:27] s/.at/.ai [19:30:27] dmehus meant to say: Looks like the Government of Anguilla is having technical issues with the .ai ccTLD root :P (https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/ai.html) [19:32:01] @dmehus I don't mean to sound bothersome or something like that, but what about the GuessWhosFromBasedLands report from earlier and so forth? [19:32:14] I will get there shortly, darkmatterman450 [19:32:34] Sorry if I asked too much. [19:33:04] And thanks. [19:33:19] 👏 [20:35:35] @Doug I saw your comment from this topic: https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Wjzmpygu5qtlqxiy&topic_postId=wk9wmx9r7hytq7s8&topic_revId=wk9wmx9r7hytq7s8&action=single-view https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Topic:Wjzmpygu5qtlqxiy And just so you know RickERB23 was previously warned prior to his block for using similar insults and even casting aspersions on another topic: [20:35:36] https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Wiafflqnk12q1h49&topic_showPostId=wiafqtx31slrxsrs#flow-post-wiafqtx31slrxsrs (Calling us SJWs for literally no logical reason.) I deleted them shortly after @Reception123 brought up celebrity categories still being up, which has since been deleted. [20:35:36] https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Wiafflqnk12q1h49&topic_showPostId=wiahsicg5mhujtns#flow-post-wiahsicg5mhujtns (And another false accusation was made here too.) [20:35:37] [url] This wiki has offically jumped the shark. on Talk:SuperMarioLogan (2017-present) | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [20:35:37] [url] The pages on celebrities have got to go: on Talk:Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [20:35:38] [url] This wiki has offically jumped the shark. on Talk:SuperMarioLogan (2017-present) | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [20:35:38] [url] The pages on celebrities have got to go: on Talk:Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [20:39:25] $log Protected [[mh:liveactionchildrenfeet:Real Children Feet Wiki|Main Page]] at user following excessive unremediated anonymous user vandalism and proactively move protected at sysop on [[mh:liveactionchildrenfeet|liveactionchildrenfeetwiki]] on wiki with no recently active sysops [20:39:25] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/liveactionchildrenfeet:Real_Children_Feet_Wiki https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/liveactionchildrenfeet [20:39:31] Saved item "Protected [[mh:liveactionchildrenfeet:Real Children Feet Wiki|Main Page]] at user following excessive unremediated anonymous user vandalism and proactively move protected at sysop on [[mh:liveactionchildrenfeet|liveactionchildrenfeetwiki]] on wiki with no recently active sysops" [20:39:31] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/liveactionchildrenfeet:Real_Children_Feet_Wiki https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/liveactionchildrenfeet [20:42:13] DarkMatterMan4500, thanks for those links [20:45:10] No problem. And I have since blocked RickERB23 for harassment, as explained on his talk page: https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Topic:Wk9y9gryfrafvk6h [20:45:11] [url] Blocked for harassment and Code of Conduct violations: on User talk:RickERB23 | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [20:48:22] Also, this guy, RickERB23 reminds me of Loath900, but I don't think RickERB23 is related though. [20:48:59] DarkMatterMan4500, that's fair [20:49:22] and how you should handle blocks. Warn first, follow with a short block, warn again, and follow with a longer or indefinite block [20:49:36] If they create a new account, then report to Stewards [20:50:20] leaving the talk page always open for appeals, unless they start excessive appealing in a short timespan or vandalizing their talk [20:50:38] Automatic 'no talk page access' is one of the more frustrating conventions on QP wikis [20:50:54] @Raidarr 💯 [20:51:14] Same issue on `closinglogosgroupwiki`, but I've managed to convince two sysops there to change their convention [20:51:21] but not all of them follow it consistently [20:51:47] I'm not too familiar with that community and its conventions [20:51:53] ah [20:52:21] I know reception wikis have a very distinct structure, though; if it bears any resemblance or is cross-staffed with users from the RW formula I can immediately get an idea [20:52:37] * dmehus thinks a lot of sysops don't realize the ramifications and just "check all the tickboxes," hence why it's a slow educate and change campaign [20:52:39] Even non reception wikis governed/created by reception wiki users will largely resemble the formula [20:53:24] yes, to a certain extent that's true. Not same staffing as QP wikis, but does follow the similar blocking practice [20:54:10] A lot of the problem I think is people either with little managerial experience or coming from absolute management backgrounds such as forums, discord servers and the like where the owner is a divine entity, don't like it then you go somewhere else, with default administrative permissions reflecting that structure. It's an entire culture of seeing management and handling perceived issues which runs in contrast with a more [20:54:11] idealist wiki formula that Miraheze encourages [20:54:41] yes [20:54:43] Heck, I get a bit of culture shock when bouncing between a forum, Miraheze wikis and various forms of Discord servers, as the underlying assumptions are very different [20:55:22] Also why bureaucrat is typically taken as an absolute leader rather than a more clerical role as it is on wikis, and consequentially why people miss or don't understand the division of power between bc and sysop [20:55:26] But I'll stop rambling :p [20:55:58] though in this case, I think the main problem a lack of consistent and codified practices with respect to administrator actions (blocks, deletions, etc.) [20:56:19] basically, what they need as an "New Administrators' Guide" [20:56:35] which summarizes generally accepted best practices [20:56:45] Very much so regarding QP, and there are quite a few years of precedence behind why it does what it does; yes, they lack a clear guide, but what they do have is very powerful assumptions and conventions that make an informal guide [20:56:59] yep [20:57:24] Which is part of my issue when I was attempting to develop QP central's policy structure; you can introduce things all you want, you have to get past the culture and traditions of local wikis to actually see it realized [20:57:29] with the QP wikis, it's definitely two issues, the lack of a sysop training guide and viewing only one or two bureaucrats as Dear Leader [20:57:47] but some bureaucrats are viewed as senior to other bureaucrats on QP wikis [20:57:49] And you also don't want those new systems to become, to be frank, bastardized into validation for the old style absolutist style. [20:58:10] and there's no codification or elucidation in how one becomes the "senior bureaucrat" lol [20:58:26] ah [20:58:32] On QP wikis there are two near-absolute leaders who are also the final arbiters of issues, divided between leader and co-leader. Everyone below is much lower on the pole as cross-wiki issues and final discretion lies with those leaders. The first leader was elected, the second was not. [20:58:42] I wondered if that was why you resigned from the QP wikis...difficult to get past the culture, yeah [20:59:06] There is no structure in place for how any leaders are defined in the future; at most there is a convention where someone in power appoints the most reasonable seeming successor [20:59:31] lol, yeah, or more accurately, who they like the best [20:59:37] And yes, between fundamental disagreements with the formula and the amount I would have to do individually to get past the culture made holding powers and trying to do stuff from a position of authority next to impossible [20:59:55] usually, but not always, being the most active. And it's not necessarily based on content creation [21:00:11] if it were based on content creation, Allistayrian would be the senior bureaucrat [21:00:19] The current main leader was actually elected as the most amicable between options in a time of extreme drama; the co-leader was essentially 'last man standing' of senior and respected bureaucrats. As you indicate though, this is not necessarily based on content creation and so on [21:00:41] yeah [21:00:43] @Joseph Raidarr ^ [21:01:20] * dmehus wishes there was a `/shrug` IRC command :( [21:01:28] ¯_(ツ)_/¯ [21:01:33] copy and paste this [21:01:34] lol [21:01:38] RhinosF1, how do new IRC commands get implemented? [21:01:42] Agent, well yes lol [21:01:49] but that's hard to remember and keep stickied [21:01:55] In personal gravitas Allistayrian acts as a de-facto third in command for wikis he operates on, but I'll carry any further explanation of QP culture to idk, the off topic relay going forward :p [21:01:58] any objections to me putting it in the topic? [21:02:04] dmehus: via very long RfCs [21:02:07] Can you make alias' in your IRC client? [21:02:12] aliases* [21:02:15] Or bugging client devs to add an alias [21:02:22] RhinosF1, ah, where do they handle the RfCs? IETF? [21:02:36] with ZNC, I just add aliases for various different things [21:02:42] like shrugs [21:02:45] Agent, oh [21:02:47] ¯_(ツ)_/¯ [21:02:53] not sure how to do that in IRCCloud [21:03:13] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [21:03:15] there we go [21:03:15] fixed [21:04:17] dmehus: yes [21:04:27] oh [21:04:32] it cut it off [21:04:34] IRCv3 working group are creating drafts for the next version [21:04:49] I strongly doubt they'd add emotion based ones [21:04:54] ergm [21:05:03] s/ergm/erm [21:05:03] dmehus meant to say: erm [21:05:06] You'd be best asking James if he can add an alias in the feedback channel [21:05:12] Just for irc cloud users [21:05:26] RhinosF1, ah, yeah, true [21:05:31] (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ [21:05:32] wow, I added this a long time ago and forgot [21:06:09] #irrcloud-feedback [21:06:21] Just #irccloud [21:06:29] Or #feedback on their network [21:06:40] oops [21:06:44] oh [21:07:10] https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Wjzmpygu5qtlqxiy&topic_showPostId=wk9tvhe9f4xeqep5#flow-post-wk9tvhe9f4xeqep5 I didn't really get what Ilovecorgi8's point was there about us admins not caring about them. [21:07:13] [url] This wiki has offically jumped the shark. on Talk:SuperMarioLogan (2017-present) | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [21:08:58] DarkMatterMan4500, I did. I'll let Raidarr explain what Ilovecorgi8 meant [21:09:39] I think he meant that a lot is decided on by administrator decree in terms of what content is of decent quality or not, and that there's no undeletion & discuss process, essentially [21:10:05] perhaps you could discuss implementing a Content for Deletion process on Qualitipedia wiki? [21:10:46] whereby if it meets the speedy criteria, it's deleted immediately, and if it's merely on being a "bad page," it can be tagged for deletion and discussed on the talk page or something? [21:12:10] https://terribletvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/SuperMarioLogan_(2017-present) I have decided to restore it, as I realized the error of my ways when I deleted the article. But that doesn't mean RickERB23 is off the hook on this one. [21:12:11] [url] SuperMarioLogan (2017-present) - Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki | terribletvshows.miraheze.org [21:14:59] DarkMatterMan4500, I mean, when you linked me the Qualitipedia RfC on banning articles on real people, you weren't wrong [21:15:03] in the deletion [21:15:37] A portion may be lack of clarity in that RfC having passed or people knowing it existed, as sitenotices for major discussions and decisions are frankly inconsistent. [21:15:57] however, if this article is written about the YouTube series and not the YouTuber, then it was not correctly deleted, imho [21:16:03] Yeah, perhaps you're right. [21:16:17] Raidarr, true [21:16:22] The one sitenotice that is up on TS&E is for an RfC that's since been closed for comment [21:16:41] ^ :thistbh: [21:16:54]