[00:11:36] <.labster> I’m not sure what to there other than delete [00:17:48] is using whatismyip.com for checkuser ip's violates miraheze terms of use? [00:18:10] no, but the question's a bit odd [00:18:50] delete + probably whack the ip globally for spam, @notaracham has dealt with the specific issue long enough and can give it a finer look in case it's done more shenanigans or a wider range should be hit [00:20:14] the owner of the wiki just lowered a ban of a IP that is (probably the same) similar to a IP of a vandal, and because that using those tools "violates terms of use" [00:20:58] it has nothing to do with the terms of use nor the more applicable [[Privacy Policy]] for that matter [00:20:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy [00:20:59]

[00:21:02] <.labster> I’m having a hard time thinking of a good abuse filter for that nonsense [00:21:26] <.labster> Public IPs are public [00:22:22] I think something could be done with really common bits like "Hi, I found your beautiful site" and similar spammer language; the 'best regards' and similar plus an unprotected email, and probably other bits and pieces of that spam which put together should at least be flagged for review [00:22:53] so maybe develop an experimental 'check only' filter that looks for curious spammy phrasing and glance at it every so often, which may still be more effective than depending on random reports [00:23:11] <.labster> Emails that have Google on the LHS are suspicious [00:23:22] the owner of the wiki needs to read TOS [00:23:38] the privacy policy is what handles those things and it says nada [00:24:07] ? [00:24:21] and IP addreses are public, so I can literally use those tools for looking who they are [00:24:22] <.labster> Left hand side [00:24:54] <.labster> It could violate the privacy policy of that wiki [00:25:33] but is not like I'm getting the home address [00:26:02] <.labster> There’s no place like localhost [00:26:42] for me, theres not place like localhost because I don't use XAMPP [00:27:35] I think I'd have to see the wiki that fuss is about tbh because I don't get the logic [00:27:59] https://snowballaspedia.fr.to/wiki/Especial:Registro?page=Usuario%3A2806%3A262%3A401%3A8D42%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A3&type=block [00:28:13] <.labster> No let’s keep talking about it with no information [00:28:34] too late [00:28:52] so my first thought is that the /64 should have been smacked [00:28:59] ELR is the vandal [00:30:14] I'm not sure the mention of whatsmyipaddress was the best approach in the first block [00:30:23] honestly a bit tmi [00:30:40] ||what means tmi|| [00:30:53] ||too much info|| [00:31:11] second block definitely doesn't get the terms of use though [00:32:00] that exchange should probably take place on a talk page/administrative area [00:32:15] since it's not english I'd be of little to no use personally alas [00:33:20] Using these tools violates Miraheze's terms of use, thus saving us 5 complaints. he says [00:34:05] yeah I have no idea what the complaints is on about [00:34:43] I guess an assumption that there would be issues but that comes down to explaining no, it's not a matter of tos or of privacy policy and mentioning the latter is critical to understanding [00:35:08] but the first block reason is a bit odd and probably should have been something more general [00:36:21] the vandal was so dumb to use the same MAC address as he before used for evading his account ban [00:43:50] also reporting Ejército liberación Risapedia for vandalism here [00:48:24] miraheze has no means to view mac addresses though [00:49:29] but they are public [00:49:46] I think you mean their IP, what you blocked was an ipv6 address [00:50:29] oh [00:51:27] I mentioned /64 before because the last four sections are basically whatever the user wants them to be, ergo it is trivial to have nearly limitless IPs within that range and so hitting a /64 (which can just be added to the end of an ipv6 address when blocking) is more likely to hit the actual individual [00:52:26] ||what is a /64|| [00:53:25] the address is from Jalisco, and another address of him is similar to this one [00:55:09] An IP range [01:00:27] [1/4] a full ipv6 address looks like this, xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx.xxxx. Of these, half of them are (usually) unique and the last half as described is what can be pretty much anything the person (using their router or what have you) wants them to be. Sometimes it's more nuanced but for dealing with vandalism generally not. Likely the other address you'r [01:00:28] [2/4] e talking about has its difference in the last four sections. To block the /64 means you strike xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::/64, meaning you deal with everything in the last half of the range and therefore an abuser has a harder time (again usually) just refreshing their IP to whatever and also you are probably not going to do any collateral damage (ie legit users [01:00:28] [3/4] ) this way. [01:00:29] [4/4] A block with a smaller / like /32 has massive collateral because once you get in the first four sections the amount of people in them multiplies exponentially very quickly, while a block with a larger / is more narrow and is most likely not going to be useful. And ultimately, just blocking a single IP in this range does very little to stop someone. [01:00:58] That was much better than my explination lol [01:01:14] yours was concise, mine was technobabble [03:43:25] is anyone here??? [04:06:55] You sure [04:26:10] There is already a growth service spam filter but I don't know if it's global yet [04:26:36] [1/2] Oh good it's global and catching spam [04:26:36] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/examine/log/1088646 [04:28:13] [1/2] https://secretsoftheshadows.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/134.255.243.2 [04:28:13] [2/2] apparent open proxy https://www.whois.com/whois/134.255.243.2 [04:29:00] i'm going to report that a user called Ejército Liberación Risapedia since december is vandalizing Snowballasmedia wikis (this ones https://snowballaspedia.fr.to/wiki/SnowballaspediA:Babel) [04:29:56] https://snowballaspedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones?end=&limit=50&namespace=all&start=&tagfilter=&target=Ej%C3%A9rcito+liberaci%C3%B3n+Risapedia [04:30:08] @CVT cwa https://snowballaspedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:Informaci%C3%B3n_de_la_cuenta_global/Ej%C3%A9rcito_liberaci%C3%B3n_Risapedia [04:31:12] http://134.255.243.2/ oh cool the spambot has a web server on their ip lol [08:30:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Captcha why does this page exist? [08:45:53] [1/2] thank Gongxiang01, who seems to do a lot of editing of that nature and maybe should get a gentle comment from a meta admin given... [08:45:54] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gongxiang01 [08:46:21] english is clearly not their first language by far but they're still tackling rather sensitive things upfront. Bold and maybe not to be totally discouraged, but potentially an issue if unchecked [13:34:04] https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.239.101.78 [13:34:08] Apex socking [13:34:15] Gblock [13:35:58] hi [13:36:01] hello [13:36:40] Hello, for chatting see #general [13:36:55] unfortunately @agentisai we have an issue with the way u run your wiki [13:37:00] It's not for chatting, it;s to discuss an issue [13:37:04] Yes [13:37:19] sigh [13:37:20] Are we supposed to relocate to the support channel? [13:37:23] @diamondgobo 's account has been blocked on all fandoms [13:37:31] I'd suggest just dming agent [13:37:39] Also, this is miraheze, not fandom [13:37:44] and for no reason [13:37:59] no one gives a shit, im blocked on fandom cuz of him [13:38:01] Yes but miraheze has blocked him from fandoms too [13:38:05] also [13:38:06] dm him [13:38:08] ok [13:38:08] oh my god [13:38:16] bcos the friend request wasnt going [13:38:24] bruh i cant dm [13:38:31] he wont accept messages [13:38:37] he isnt accepting message bro [13:38:48] @reception123 As an online mod. I think this discussion might need a few eyes [13:39:02] @Discord Moderators [13:39:11] @agentisai hes a mod on fandom too [13:39:13] Fandom? [13:39:13] @diamondgobo please cease and desist [13:39:16] huh? [13:39:19] @agentisai just move to ban [13:39:21] yeah [13:39:21] This is Miraheze [13:39:34] yo chill [13:39:39] CHILL [13:39:41] yes, but for some reason it says you blocked him on fandom too [13:39:47] That's impossible [13:39:51] I don't work for Fandom [13:39:52] guys show him the screenshot [13:39:53] it says rever to cvt[at]miraheze.org [13:39:55] what [13:39:59] yeah send the screenshit [13:40:03] u work for wikimedia too [13:40:04] screenshot [13:40:04] shot* [13:40:06] ok [13:40:09] nope [13:40:22] IT LITERALLY SAYS SO [13:40:26] Is agent even work for mediawiki? I don't think so. [13:40:36] I think you're confusing the terms very badly [13:40:37] Send the screenshot @diamondgobo [13:40:45] bruh [13:40:49] if i send image [13:40:50] [1/4] This is Miraheze [13:40:50] [2/4] Fandom is fandom.com [13:40:50] [3/4] Wikimedia runs Wikipedia [13:40:51] [4/4] MediaWiki is just the website software [13:41:00] it says "content blocked by serer" [13:41:02] @diamondgobo read. [13:41:04] what... [13:41:09] BRO SEND THE DAMN SCREENSHOT [13:41:26] CHECK OUR PRIVATE SERVER [13:41:28] Sometimes to send images, you need to verify first [13:41:35] you can do so at #verify [13:41:35] lol [13:41:35] yeah i cant send images [13:41:41] ok [13:41:42] yes, but he does not have a miraheze acc [13:41:47] not even a fandom acc [13:41:50] Then vacate [13:41:51] his IP got blocked [13:41:53] i dont have any acc [13:41:57] Leave this channel [13:41:58] Literally not our problem [13:41:59] my ip blocked yah [13:42:04] I think I recognize the issue [13:42:05] Email cvt@miraheze.org then [13:42:09] Did you already email cvt@? [13:42:09] I NEVER SAID IT WAS ITS AGENTS [13:42:23] Please STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS [13:42:27] it says "bot account agent isia" [13:42:28] Not what I said either [13:42:46] If it's over a vpn range block then ok [13:42:58] I think I recognize one of your profile pictures from an email to CVT already [13:43:17] actually no, that's a different user [13:43:27] i did message [13:43:34] but it gave some stupid error [13:43:44] that "agent isea is a bot account" [13:43:52] *Isai [13:44:01] via email? [13:44:09] Can you please slow down, take a breath and send a DM with a screenshot of the error to someone [13:44:18] ok [13:44:26] someone friend me [13:44:36] and i send [13:44:43] ok done [13:45:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214189864237408288/1217099360035143680/IMG_0941.png?ex=6602cb1c&is=65f0561c&hm=0040f9bb36d02e0e53bfe85babcc89d22a10f5b7fff5f752796f861b218c2d4b& [13:46:19] see [13:46:46] @agentisai please help us [13:47:04] So did you send an email to the CVT wiki? [13:47:06] what did i do [13:47:15] @itsaquariusx I am taking to @diamondgobo in DM [13:47:16] i tried [13:47:25] Stop the chat here, I'll explain in a moment [13:47:26] its fine we'll do it here [13:47:27] Ok [13:47:29] Turn off your VPN and make an account [13:47:33] @itsaquariusx my friend [13:47:37] 🤣 [13:47:48] This [13:47:51] Are you using a VPN? [13:47:58] That IP is for a Contabo server so it has to be [13:48:03] ohh right... my vpn... [13:48:10] ill turn off wait [13:48:12] bRuH [13:48:13] ... [13:48:14] Your IP address is showing as owned by https://contabo.com/en/ which is a VPS provider and we don't allow people to create accounts from Web Hosts or Open Proxies [13:48:15] BRUH [13:48:15] No [13:48:26] what [13:48:39] This was the biggest waste of volenteer time [13:48:40] basically just turn off the proxy [13:48:46] WAIT [13:48:47] once you have an account, you can turn it back on [13:48:48] Oh in that case we're really sorry [13:48:50] @globe_x shut up please [13:48:53] my vpn isnt on tho [13:48:56] huh [13:48:59] There's like 10 people talking in here [13:49:25] Something is on that's proxying your connection through a server in New York [13:49:25] Yo whats actually goinng on [13:49:42] @diamondgobo are you trying from a work / school / library ? [13:49:46] no [13:49:49] huh [13:50:01]