[08:08:21] test [08:08:49] i really appreciate the fact im deciduous' arch nemesis, ya know. [08:09:20] dont worry, i come in peace. [09:24:39] also, mariomario's comment on my inkster video got deleted by youtube so i reposted it [09:26:41] Could somebody please kick Eiji out for evasion? [09:26:59] dude i only just got here. [09:27:06] now you're doing that crap again? [09:27:16] i mean no harm to yall [09:27:28] That's still evasion, you were kicked out for trolling earlier, right? [09:27:58] yeah but i came back [09:28:14] That's still evasion of sanctions bro. [09:28:17] dont worry, i promise not to be annoying [09:28:30] btw how do u like my catra pfp? [09:29:33] Hmmmmm, don't know about that. [09:30:02] @Eiji: were you kicked or banned? [09:30:13] If they're using the same account though, they're not ban evading [09:30:27] can't i just hang out here for once? i wont be annoying, i promise. [09:30:39] Answer my question [09:30:42] kicked [09:30:47] i'll only lurk in the shadows [09:30:51] And you're using the same discord account [09:30:56] yes [09:31:20] Then you're not ban evading so yes just don't troll [09:31:26] ok [09:31:36] @DarkMatterMan4500: do you mind not causing drama? I'm tired [09:31:50] anyway ttyl gonna go to bed bye [09:33:02] @RhinosF1 Right. [09:34:27] RhinosF1: Seriously, I don't have strength for this trolling and kicked out stuff [09:34:30] @DarkMatterMan4500 the next time he breaks his promise as per above, the something could be done. [09:34:42] I don't think we need everyone involved [09:34:50] I don't have the strength either [09:34:56] So can we all be nice for today [09:35:13] Yeah, good thinking. [09:35:58] RhinosF1: yeah [09:41:10] @RhinosF1 We sure can. Sorry for my anger towards this guy. [09:41:24] Stop talking about it [09:41:36] * RhinosF1 doesn't want to hear any drama [09:41:57] If I wanted drama, I'd check the covid case list [09:42:28] Alright, let's talk about something else. [09:43:07] Anyway, is anybody seeing the new Space Jam movie? [09:46:03] Yeah [09:51:57] I [09:52:12] I'm seeing it this Saturday with my friends. [09:53:47] I'm not ready for that at all for now. [09:53:51] Lol [09:53:59] but will definitely watch [09:54:01] ok [10:44:23] Is it possible that there will be a Miraheze server in Guilded anytime soon? [10:44:31] Hmmmm, not sure. [10:44:55] It would be cool through [10:45:25] Since Guilded will sure be better then Discord one [10:48:25] eh [10:51:36] Guilded is better than discord? [10:59:44] Ye [11:00:00] It is way better then Discord [11:01:44] 80% better then Discord. The 5% is because of no bot api ( which doesn’t matter coz there the flow bots ), 15% is because sometimes it is laggy [11:02:22] But a thousand doesn’t matter. Only server with 10k+ will face problem but there a tons of 10k+ server in it [11:03:57] Hmm. With what you mentioned above, I still prefer Discord. [11:05:37] Erm I just listed out cons and not pros [11:06:22] I really wonder why Discord user always said Guilded is bad before using it or use it without a week [11:11:53] @Ugochimobi: any errors when saving? [11:11:56] Wonder no more, as Discord is still the preferred. [11:12:13] I just file a task on phab like right now [11:12:25] I cannot save edits to items on famedata [11:12:30] Yeah I know [11:12:39] https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7638 [11:12:40] [url] ⚓ T7638 Unable to save on FAMEData | phabricator.miraheze.org [11:12:40] I need more than can't save though [11:12:45] What happens when you try [11:13:52] I doesn't say anything, just refuse to save [11:14:03] Plus I can't even add statements also [11:14:06] Okay [11:14:55] yeah [11:15:39] Works fine for me [11:15:44] I just made an edit [11:15:52] And others seem to be editing [11:34:04] looks like gamers just got angry at discord becoming less gaming [11:58:09] RhinosF1: Hughh🥲 What's now happening to me [11:58:26] I can't even add statements [11:58:37] I have 0 idea [11:58:45] maybe I should clear old cookies though [11:59:45] @Small Pig reporter/PJ Masks what are the cons that you see in guilded? I assume there are dozens by your conversation [12:00:26] Sorry , typo , Pros and cons [12:57:16] Pros 1) Calendar ( a calendar. Admin can create event and in the day/time, it will auto make a thread ) 2) Schedule ( admin can open up a schedule and see user free time with it ) 3) Thread ( you can make a totally new channel with thread and can be archived. You not needed admin roles for this but needed some perms through ) 4) Self-assignable roles ( roles with this settings can assign themselves [12:57:17] roles ) 5) Flow-bots 6) Patreon-like features 7) All Discord nitro features FREE ( All animated emoji, unlimited server, 500MB file upload size, cross server emoji ) 8) All Discord server boost features FREE 9) Forum 8) Application ( can put specific membership question and admin can approved it ) 9) Games ( admin can set game for the server ) 10) Overview ( a website pages dedicated for your server only ) 11) Follow ( User can [12:57:17] follow a server ) 12) Make To public ( Anyone in/not in the server can view all the content in the specific channel, optional setting ) 13) Profile banner FREE ( you can get it free on the platform ) 14) Feed ( a feed on your pages for you to post anything and place for other to send messages to you like FB ) 15) Better layout design ( when u in a server, you will only see the server in your sidebar, all other server is hidden ) [12:57:18] 16) Server group ( it just like a server, have application, membership, channels and separate from the main server ) 17) Text in voice channel ( you can send text in voice channel ) 18) Text in streaming channel ( you can send text when other stream just like Live ) 19) Stonks ( Get a stonks badge for every 5 people u invite ) 20) Server Media ( user can upload media onto unlimited media channel ) [13:00:08] 🚶 pass by [13:11:39] 21) Unlimited words messages 22) Better reporting system then Discord. 23) Blog ( admin can make announcements into blog ) 24) Docs ( users/admin could make documents in Docs channel ) 25) List ( admin/user can create tasks or to do list in your server 26) Hyperlink ( users could create hyperlink in messages ) 27) Server banner ( a banner for free for your server ) 28) Polls ( you could create polls [13:11:40] in server ) 29) Forms ( you could create forms for other to submit in the server. ) 30) Numbered list ( users count create numbered list as messages ) 31) Member List ( users could check all members in the server and also filter roles and members. Users also can check when y last active ) 32) Level rewards ( admin could create level rewards when user reach specific level ) 33) Level ( bots would give u xp for each action [13:11:40] in the server ) 34) Widget ( easy embedding code with multiple type of widget to display on websites ) 35) Vanity Url ( free vanity url for your server and can change anytime ) 36) Server type ( set a type for your server and with a timezone ) 37) Server Search ( your server will be listed in Guilded search automatic after you created your server ) 38) Tournament ( feel free to create or join tournament ) Cons 1) Bigger [13:11:41] server/Beta server low performance rate ( 10k+ ) 2) Less in members ( due to Discord ) [13:12:11] Well this is what I can think of for now. Guilded had all the features that on Discord (official) too [13:14:26] The stonks things is why I invited so many people to it. The platform is fun and useful and still have a rewards for your invite [13:14:38] Same here [13:16:39] What invite u get for inviting people to Discord? None [13:29:08] I don't invite people to Discord though, lol. [13:31:57] I'd think about all this 2 years ago for my server, but in these 2 years so much has changed about that server so we are like "yeah, discord is fine for us, actually" [13:39:22] 2 years? [13:39:39] Idk Guilded exist for 2 years alr [13:40:04] guilded has all the update user wanted and asked [13:40:09] ehh, too much hassle setting up your community on a different platform, it's too much going back and forth [13:40:37] Well maybe set up on both platform [13:40:58] I was wondering if it is possible to have a server abt Miraheze there? [13:41:21] Like Miraheze has one in IRC and Discord [13:42:07] well, I don't think there'd be a big enough community on Guilded to even have a server created on there [13:42:24] Moving people over is a pain [13:42:28] indeed [13:44:45] Well then why would there a IRC channel? Instead of keeping one only , Discord served [13:45:15] Now maybe, 2022 and will highly doubt opposite [13:45:52] The IRC channel has a sizable amount of people and IRC is a very well known and tested means of communication [13:46:12] Guilded on the other hand is a new platform that has a handful of people [13:47:36] Nobody is moving anybody to Guilded😅 [13:47:55] Discord is perfect for Miraheze live-chat community [13:48:12] and IRC too [13:48:32] I'm saying that all these features are not needed anymore [13:48:52] i miss msn messenger [13:49:03] Oh well suite yourself then. [13:49:12] I will see in 2022 [13:49:40] i don't think this will go anywhere, unless discord enters tumblr mode and starts doing bad business decisions [13:49:51] oh boy [13:49:55] tumblr [13:50:10] been there since 2011 🙃 [13:50:50] i migrated from tumblr to twitter and pixiv essentially [13:50:52] U said. I wouldn’t said that [13:51:06] barely visit these days [13:51:42] I had pixiv before tumblr going shit lol, but eventually abandoned it [13:51:58] even posted some arts [13:52:11] must be still there but boy they are so old [13:52:35] i use it sometimes [13:52:39] definitely more than deviantArt [13:52:43] I keep tumblr as archive, sometimes I remember something and dig out there [13:53:01] I wonder why u guys only prefer bigger platform [13:53:27] well, basically everything i work on, my friends, etc. are here [13:53:27] current online climat is merciless [13:53:48] you heard about artfol, Lake? [13:54:01] hmm i heard this name but never looked up [13:54:39] it's incredibly difficult for artists to get any exposure on any platform, the bigger platform the more chances you have [13:55:40] Instagram but for artists, like DA but better they promised normal environment for nsfw artists but in the end threw them under Apple's censorship bus [13:55:54] oh, lol [13:56:01] even took money for that on patreon [13:56:15] no wonder why furaffinity is so popular [13:57:17] I was skeptical about it tho because they gone doing it as mobile app thing only w/o possibility to manage from desktop - the hell they're doing a whole new platform for lol [13:58:58] like, 90% of digital artists, if not more, working from desktop traditional artists scan their works - on desktop but you want everyone to dance w/ phones like on Instagram [14:00:34] lol at mobile-only social networks [14:01:03] they even could evade that censorship thing if they'd start it as a web site [14:02:18] and - are you telling me building a whole app is easier than design a web site? [14:04:01] well, they could have used react native [14:04:09] so it would work as a website and app [14:04:17] without many problems of porting [14:15:42] really weak planning on their side [18:18:49] i think i'll make a general purpose wiki-utility css document [18:46:50] Nice idea!! [21:18:55] As someone who actually tried guided and gave it a full assessment early this year, it is a severe underdog in general and completely inappropriate for the purposes of Miraheze. It sells on a stronger featureset, yet fails to attract much attention. Weakness in advertising means only a few communities will actually benefit from the feature boost + get the audience to use it. This is the fundamental problem in general until [21:18:56] Guilded gets a lucky break in news or from Discord doing something incredibly stupid. It is a massively uphill battle for them to become relevant on their own. For Miraheze, you'd be asking them to create a fork on a platform with stronger features, and yet most people are interested in Discord and there is already a subcommunity on Miraheze. The result is yet another platform to keep track of, with features that will only be [21:18:56] possibly enjoyed (if considered useful at all) to a serious minority, and with those features doesn't actually offer anything substantial that Miraheze needs. Its heart is already in talk pages on Meta along with the other subcommunities that exist, and so IRC exists as a 'grandfathered in' chat that is somewhat ailing in mainstream appeal and Discord exists because it's popular enough to be worth catering to, plus does more than [21:18:57] enough for what MH wants. I'm not going to change your mind either way since you tend to be dead set on things from what I notice, but I'm more arguing for the audience as someone who's given it a look and deepening the reasons why Guilded is not a practical expansion. [21:24:41] I nbever tried Guilded and never really wanted yet another password... ( [21:25:35] That's one common hurdle, people don't even bother because it's yet another password for yet another 'basically x' thing in an internet full of similar, except discord has just about everything and Guilded is a super obscure minority. The average user has no reason. [21:27:30] continuing from #general [21:27:45] I have no real inters in trying yet anoothger website that is not super big really [21:27:55] i like wix, but it's way better for things such as portfolios for people that don't really know how to work [21:28:00] work with web* [21:28:26] Wix is very nice [21:28:45] Eh [21:28:48] I designed a website from scratch in Wix and It's looking greate [21:28:52] So so [21:29:04] I'm planning on selling the Template/Theme [21:29:10] Hehehe [21:29:11] You have to upgrade to set it up on a custom domain [21:29:13] @Lake] [21:29:17] I will say, guilded is viable if you're building communities from scratch and the curcumstance is right, but that's about it; now I defer to the wix stuff [21:29:24] Yes [21:29:40] Wix is something I might consider if I'm really in a pinch, but I tend not to use prefab services like that too much [21:29:40] How big is guilded anyway@? [21:29:56] I don't really know code, but I can copy paste chunks [21:30:02] Wasn’t guilded a discord bot? [21:30:08] Yeah, you could if you want to [21:30:13] if it was a few years ago, I would totally use Wix, but now that I have pretty much extensive abilities on web [21:30:15] Guilded's been around a few years and probably has a bit of girth to it (only assessment I can suggest is checking out their reddit), but as far as mainstream appeal it's a blip in the sea [21:30:31] I can DM you my landing page if you want [21:30:44] more or less my code :p In general I'm not much of a frontend person, I tend to micromanage details. [21:31:18] lol [21:31:46] I don';t mind having a Wix dormain [21:31:56] takes me a billion years and 10k diversions to actually make the things I'm vaguely confident in, so ye [21:32:31] My code is probly a real mess (only got my landing page though) [21:32:32] It's not bad [21:32:47] Does wix allow blog + website? [21:32:50] Unless you're going big I suppose 'if it works' is adequate to settle for [21:33:09] You know, I was a good web designer before I left it not quite long [21:33:10] I would need to work out how to make it look good on moblie [21:33:15] Of course [21:33:19] Good [21:33:19] But (and this is why I'm not comfortable being a CSS person) web design is much more than 'well it looks good' on a single display using the first hack that works [21:33:44] I am talking about my landing page being unsuable on mobile [21:34:23] Hehe [21:34:34] alright, good night 🥱 [21:34:54] Why? lol. [21:35:14] because im going to sleep [21:35:21] time zones ya know [21:35:29] I really do need to make my landing page at lest usable on mobile [21:35:53] You'd have to drop a link for someone on mobile, which I'm not right now I'm afraid [21:37:16] Your landing page might not be too bad on mobile [21:37:22] But might be bad too [21:38:48] 👍 [21:41:06] Eh, on phone, it is very meh. On tablet okay, but on computer it looks good. [21:41:52] very meh?😂 [21:42:14] Haha, didn’t catch that [21:42:28] I got it! [21:42:36] I don't know mobile respotive ness yet [21:43:00] Mobile is very meh.. currently! [21:44:03] Well, I would need Lake to help with tyhat [21:45:10] Wix or Wordperss for my site? [21:46:13] Really depends [21:46:36] Why? [21:46:46]