[00:09:52] falling the server? [00:11:07] @YellowFrogger I'm back on IRC. It was a simple error. [00:11:20] okaey [03:31:58] "hated Doug" "hated this site" - Bobbyandbandit [03:32:31] Worse still he keeps reopening the wiki request, but he admitted above [03:32:41] hmm, who? [03:33:08] nevermind [03:33:10] seen [03:33:30] Ok [03:34:32] declined [03:34:50] Last: Dmehus is the most genuine user. How does the guy get angry with such a person? And, he has a lot of free time I think, to add. [07:36:41] Sooo... Did httpd like... change with the new year? lmao. I got it working with PHP in 2021. Now nothing works in 2022 [07:36:51] bout to lose it [07:37:50] What error? [07:38:50] Uh... That's the thing. I can't even get the phpinfo() to display properly [07:39:10] the apache test page comes up fine though [07:39:47] Tried everything in this SO heh https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5121495/php-code-is-not-being-executed-but-the-code-shows-in-the-browser-source-code [07:39:47] [url] apache - PHP code is not being executed, but the code shows in the browser source code - Stack Overflow | stackoverflow.com [07:40:12] Does it start with a ye [07:40:40] And you actually set it up to use php [07:42:13] At least trying to [07:42:24] On the other hand... httpd did just fail out of existence lol [07:43:22] yeahhh httpd is dead [07:43:36] I may or may not be back. Time to try again [07:44:22] Checking it's running is always good [07:44:28] Also why not php-fpm [08:01:51] I think I know what I did wrong now. Was using Remi, and didn't use the config options to enable/install php7.4 [08:02:22] I'll learn another distro one day lol. For now, I've only ever known CentOS [09:21:24] welp set my TTLs to 5 mins. Let's see if they're doing nice tomorrow [09:21:57] success on apache and php btw [09:22:08] just flush your local DNS cache [09:22:12] and see if it worked [09:22:43] huh til [09:23:53] hmmm do I need to delete the old records and readd them? I started over with the VPS about 3 times to figure things out lol [09:24:26] you shouldn't need to delete records if they're correct [09:24:30] it's with Namecheap, if that matters [09:24:43] hrrrm [09:24:59] Strange. Wonder why it's not pointed correctly [09:25:02] try clearing your DNS cache or changing DNS servers if your current ones are wacky and are super caching [09:27:31] what DNS do you usually use? I've always just used whatever ones my registrar or web host has :p [09:28:01] For domain DNS, I use CloudFlare [09:28:18] for my local DNS resolvers, I use CloudFlare's 1.1.1.1 [09:28:25] @1.1.1.1 [09:28:27] lol [09:29:05] how interesting! [09:30:44] :o [09:33:32] sigh it just errors every time I try to add custom DNS lol [09:34:02] it's fussy ig [09:46:58] lol when windows freaks out a little about dns changes [09:47:10] Windows freaks out about anything tbf :P [09:48:55] am I crazy or does 1.1.1.1 load significantly faster? [09:49:00] placebo or legit? [13:10:17] Lmao boris sends in someone to answer a urgent question by labour for boris [13:12:38] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505084188660334594/930410100458418186/41d5045d-1308-4a40-9cc6-fc4bb5f90afb.png [13:12:39] lol [13:13:29] hard to understand [13:15:03] so turns out Sue Gray leading the investigation has been found to have been invited to a party. [13:15:08] they are all damanged now lol [13:15:26] so two people who are connected to being invited to parties leading an investigation [13:15:30] *now [13:18:18] Hoyle now allowing Labour MPs to call boris a liar lmao [13:21:30] https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1480891271921217536 [13:21:30] [Twitter] Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB): The Good Law Project is suing the Metropolitan Police for their failure to investigate an alleged Downing Street Christmas party on 18 December 2020. | 5 RTs | 20 ♥s | Posted: 2022-01-11 - 13:16:07GMT [13:23:36] I can't find a cladogram for the subfamily apples are in and there are no sources on the history of the genus beyond the history of how domestic apples emerged [13:23:43] I am now sad [13:25:11] I hope scientists figure it out for me since it is interesting to me, though I have neither the patience or fine botanical and biological knowledge to become a taxonomist/botanist/geneticist [13:25:13] because uh [13:25:50] figuring out when Malus split from other genus in it's subfamily would be an interdisciplinary endeavor [13:32:35] okay, I found cladograms which go down to tribe [13:32:37] which is good [13:32:41] the problem is [13:32:47] there are three of them [13:32:58] and nobody is sure which one is correct yet [13:33:00] nice [13:46:40] https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1480897514022789122 [13:46:40] [Twitter] Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole): NEW: Sue Gray was neither invited nor attended the May 2020 bash, according to officialdom. ⏎ ⏎ Simon Case appointed to No10 from the Palace on... 🥁🥁 21 May 2020... the day after the garden party. | 12 RTs | 38 ♥s | Posted: 2022-01-11 - 13:40:55GMT [18:49:59] Poocian, a sockpupetry, (according to his talk page) is reopening a wiki request. I think a more fortified review is better. [18:51:09] You mean a sockpuppeteer? [18:52:46] I think yes [21:47:28] they are now covering it up lol [21:47:28] https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1481013907607199747 [21:47:29] [Twitter] John Rentoul (@JohnRentoul): No 10 staff told to clean up phones after lockdown party allegations, sources claim – @Annaisaac https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/partygate-phones-clean-up-investigation-sue-gray-b1991055.html | 13 RTs | 6 ♥s | Posted: 2022-01-11 - 21:23:26GMT [21:47:43] https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1481010782326472715 [21:47:44] [Twitter] Ben Riley-Smith (@benrileysmith): Exclusive ⏎ ⏎ Downing Street private office drunk booze and stayed late on the last Friday before Christmas 2020, when group socialising was barred. ⏎ ⏎ Was on Dec 18 (same night as the infamous press party). Martin Reynolds attended. Three sources speak to Tel. ⏎ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/11/pressure-grows-boris-johnsons-private-secretary-amid-claims/ | 278 [22:19:40] paladox: when don't politicians [22:19:54] all politicians are not the same [22:20:08] @Agent saw my message in meta? No to robots on the wiki. I agree with naleksuh [22:20:19] But why? [22:20:39] Agent: look on mwe channel [22:20:48] looking [22:20:56] paladox: doesn't mean that generally they corrupt liars [22:32:12] fewer jobs, failed work and a lot of irritation [22:34:30] [[w:WP:NOBIGDEAL]] [22:34:30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOBIGDEAL [22:34:33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOBIGDEAL [22:34:34] [wikipedia] WP:NOBIGDEAL | "Administrators, commonly known as admins or sysops (system operators), are Wikipedia editors who have been granted the technical ability to perform certain special actions on the English Wikipedia. These include the ability to block and unblock user accounts, IP addresses, and IP ranges from editing, edit fully protected pages, protect and unprotect pages from editing, delete and undelete pages, […]" [22:36:15] I read the whole section and did not understand. [22:37:07] including the citation of Jimbo [22:38:32] ah yes, but I'm talking about how much miraheze in real life. The Naleksuh is right to say that. [22:39:39] The more humanity and communication and genuineness, the better, the less it fails. I'm against robots. If you have robots on wikis, they will only be made to archive or make repetitive edits, that's all [22:42:59] And to say: privileges, although they don't matter, are the result of a user's contribution and dedication [22:43:04] Being a wiki creator is no big deal. If we can get rid of a role and improve wiki creation approval times and thus user satisfaction, I'm all for it. You cite loss of jobs and this makes me remember your previous line of thought of where a flag equalled a reward for X amount of edits or contributions when it shouldn't [22:44:09] I mean, there's not much of a personal touch as it is. Most wiki creators use canned responses and Naleksuh, the most vocal opponent against them, doesn't even cite an approval reason. His approvals all say "Request approved." [22:44:44] Either way, they won't "steal" jobs. Sure, we have 20+ wiki creators but in essence, at any moment in time, we have 3-6 active ones who actually do stuff [22:45:15] "remember your previous line of thought of where a flag equalled a reward for X amount of edits or contributions when it shouldn't". It's no big deal, but it's a form of collaboration. I've never been brag about the amount of edits, and I don't even remember doing it. [22:46:42] He says this because he wants to maintain his own posture, not the "dmehus" stance. And yes, I've seen him type great things. It's too sick of this "can you?" thing. [22:47:29] Instead of satisfying the user with original answers, and doesn't keep reopening straight by saying the same thing, it humiliates. [22:48:33] Results of users who not excited about it, or are nauseous. [22:49:17] In the entire history of Miraheze, there has never been more than 3-6 active at any given time [22:49:25] often, there were even less than 3 active [22:49:46] Three: DMM, Agent, Magogre, just [22:50:13] There isn't even correlation between WC activity levels and the tools available, much less causation [22:51:27] "@Agent Isai: I'm not a wiki creator, and that's unfair, given my help with this project" - You, Dec. 30 [22:51:30] Very rarely do I see him put anything excluding when he declines. All his accepts are just "Request approved" without informing users of any pointers to improve their request in the future, of our policies, nothing. [22:52:28] Sorry. That was on my talk page. I don't care about that. Maybe my contribution is worth more. But that doesn't make sense with the topic of conversation, which is robot invading the world. [22:52:53] Most wiki creators put ab reason for their decline if they're selecting the same canned response [22:53:53] Robots won't invade the world, that's silly. I'd imagine human supervision would be required even if we had an AI but the main focus here is on processing requests faster to allow for more user satisfaction [22:54:00] Yes, I agree that it should remind users about the content policy. But it's better than a user to keep reopening an order, so refusing with the same comments is frustrating for the user. [22:54:02] That's the ultimate goal [22:55:18] Currently, most wiki requests are processed in less than 12 hours which is great vs a few days or even weeks many years ago but if we can cut it down more, that'll be great! [22:55:46] They invade, in my opinion, by taking human jobs. In a few years, the attendants are all going to be robots. More unemployment. Why do you think we don't have users who archive here? [22:56:24] er, we're talking about Miraheze, not real life [22:56:32] Not everyone on Miraheze needs a hat [22:57:00] > Why do you think we don't have users who archive here? Because it's tedious, and if you look at any other wiki project online, users hardly ever put all that much effort into archiving. It tends to either be automated, or not happen enough to be beneficial [22:57:29] I agree that the time is reasonable. Cut, made that two toilets would refuse the same request at the same time, as happens a lot. Therefore, one more user on the team does not hurt if he devotes himself too much. [22:58:07] yes it's better to revibot, forget it, it's less lazy [22:58:50] Now, robot with WC service, will never please me! [22:59:27] But it will likely please users if their requests are processed faster ;) [22:59:32] Edit with the same right always: would you like, agent? of course not [22:59:32] If ever you believe that there needs to be another user added to a certain team, you can nominate users at the same place you would request permissions for yourself. It is not necessary to wait for a user to request permissions [23:00:18] That sentence is unclear, what did you mean? [23:00:40] Making robots happy by making mistakes, you might as well. But the volunteers? No [23:01:32] dross for Global Bureaucrat [23:01:38] 👀 [23:01:41] I think you understand. Nobody wears the same clothes every year. To sum it up, a green hat every year may even be cool at first, but the blue hat will please me because I've never worn it. [23:02:08] That's where WP:NOBIGDEAL comes into play [23:02:45] I'm sick of just answering on the noticeboard! With the most rights I CONSOLE IT [23:02:45] The hats you wear don't really mean anything. It's just extra permissions to access tools to do something better, that you were usually already doing [23:02:58] Understand? [23:03:35] I like to volunteer, that's the most important thing. Higher we volunteer more [23:04:04] willingness, why not increase? [23:04:35] You may show that you can help with the wiki creation process by messaging users on their talk page regarding their requests. Give feedback to users. You don't need permissions to start volunteering in that area [23:05:24] I have a pretty extensive countervandalism resume on Wikia, Wikipedia, and Miraheze. Yet, I've never held any global rights anywhere. Doesn't make me less valuable to countervandalism [23:05:50] But isn't that the famous [[W:WP:PEANUT]]? I saw a user doing this. And, @Agent, I want you to test me [23:05:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/W:WP:PEANUT [23:05:53]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:PEANUT [23:05:53] [wikipedia] WP:PEANUT | "Professional opinion-havers (collectively known as the peanut gallery) are Wikipedia "editors" who primarily express opinions rather than improving main space content in any meaningful way. Such editors typically thrive in temperate to hostile environments, and extract nutrients from their surroundings by feeding off the shreds of editors who have been torn apart in content disputes. Species tend to […]" [23:06:08] use discretion [23:06:15] Your input doesn't belong everywhere [23:06:38] If a wiki creator has already responded to a request, you'd be correct that it's peanut gallery comments [23:06:42] ^ [23:06:48] There is no need to jump in if somebody else is handling it [23:06:55] If you keep editing and request a hat as a reward, you may earn [23:07:20] Sure. But I've also learned that I care more about community trust than the access I have [23:07:37] Which is why I don't self-nominate to any position which requires a vote [23:07:53] I can do plenty with a normal account [23:08:24] fear of oppose? I've been shot a lot of it, I didn't die [23:08:44] I also know that I can ask plenty of users if I do need something done [23:09:04] I don't agree with that. I have the reasons: a user's dedication helps. Why do you think there is "someone else's appointment" on wikis? [23:09:24] It isn't that I'm worried about opposition. It's more that if I'm to be recognized for the work I do, it should be from somebody other than myself [23:09:55] My own opinion might be shadowed by ego. It's about me always taking steps toward humility [23:11:52] This topic in a nutshell: it is now forbidden to have privileges, other users already do this. Lol [23:12:53] Not so. It is unnecessary to have privileges. However, they remain available if/when it is appropriate to hold them [23:15:46] Yes, I admit that I don't agree with hat collection one after another often. I further believe and agree that a user should earn "gift rights" for their contribution to the project. [23:16:44] I get wanting to do something, or to be responsible for something. Unfortunately, Miraheze (and often even the internet as a whole) is not always the best place to do that. Nonprofit organizations and charities are great places for that, though. Most of them don't expect too much of their volunteers, and it's a wonderful opportunity to learn. Personally, I've done volunteer work at a food bank, an animal shelter, and I'm [23:16:44] currently a volunteer firefighter and just completed my EMT course in December [23:16:58] There's opportunities out there [23:17:45] About your deleted comment, dross, although it registered in 2017, only contributed a lot in recent years, I found his argument invalid. (and only starts when the user contributes to the project) [23:18:43] Honestly, I too struggled with this topic at one time. [23:18:48] is it another matter? i don't get it [23:19:06] It's a desire to take ownership of your participation in something [23:19:21] ah yes [23:19:46] I remember when I thought not having rights meant you were a nobody that meant nothing. I now know that it isn't true. [23:19:58] *your [23:20:25] I realized that only users with rights opine on this [23:20:35] Hm? [23:21:03] hu [23:22:09] I only ever held rollback and autopatrol on meta, and just got the patroller bit 2 days ago? [23:22:22] I haven't had any other permissions since I registered [23:22:25] I honestly remember when you got rollback rights [23:22:33] lol [23:22:37] :p [23:23:01] The Rollbacker group holds so many inactive users lol [23:23:10] and is seldomly granted nowadays by Meta admins [23:23:25] yes, yes @dross, it is the least accurate right to miraheze, being that there is the Twinkle, and, users with it ask for revocation [23:24:03] I mean, I'm not too familiar with Twinkle other than it helps with counter-vandalism. [23:24:33] I use it on WP, but it doesn't really work all that well on MH [23:24:34] I believe [23:24:37] oh [23:25:20] the rollback functions are pretty good (I think), but the templates and such... not so much [23:25:22] I honestly think that I do want to help Miraheze in some extended way its just harder rn until they get the physical server I think it is [23:25:48] in my opinion, it serves yes to miraheze especially to reverse, some other features are not available, or with errors, because they are not accurate [23:25:56] interesting [23:26:09] @dross by the way, guess what? [23:26:16] what's up? [23:26:38] A week ago was the anniversary of when I became an administrator on the one wiki. [23:26:49] Very nice! [23:26:49] The 8th year now [23:26:59] thanks [23:27:48] I wonder if I will feel any different at 10 years. [23:27:54] Inb4 not [23:28:36] It feels weird in a way [23:28:51] I'll have been an admin for a third of my life. [23:29:01] just about [23:29:34] @YellowFrogger For the record, your Meta activity has been great. I think the patroller bit is a good decision that is very fitting for your activity on the noticeboards, and you're generally a very helpful contributor. Meta is also a bit boring in a way—it doesn't get very busy. But Miraheze is growing, and perhaps it will be even busier in the coming years [23:29:52] I feel like I've spent a third of my life just trying to get wikis to work properly lol [23:29:58] lol [23:30:12] I joined later than most others did ig [23:30:24] oh well [23:30:48] Some of his edits were questionable. Last month is remarkable, but he has improved within the recent weeks. [23:31:27] It's all a learning experience, especially if it's a new experience being on-wiki at all [23:31:53] I mucked up my share on Fandom and Wikipedia [23:32:23] Yeah uh, WP I'm almost non-existent on. [23:32:34]