[16:32:44] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority, replying to paladox> Are these battery or wired? [16:32:59] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> problem is with wired stuff is getting the cable installed and chased if there isn’t already cable 😠[17:00:51] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> Wired [17:48:08] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> Is the UK really warm enough to need one of those? 😂 [18:00:37] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> Well saves money and also is really nice [18:08:46] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> @originalauthority I have a desk fan [18:09:00] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> It gets pretty warm on a morning [18:36:35] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> Freezing all the time 😠[18:39:30] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> @originalauthority I live in a Victorian build and am east facing [18:39:41] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> Sun shines straight through huge windows [19:01:47] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> The traditional fans use more energy and also harder to cook you [19:02:08] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> Ceiling fan cools a larger area. Certain ones can be used in the winter to save you money on heating. [19:02:09] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> I just open my windows, it’s cheaper. [19:02:24] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> And some have energy efficiency which is what I want [19:02:37] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> Less power = less cost you have to pay for the energy used [19:02:48] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> My dad has it in the Us and it’s lovely [19:04:20] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> Would love the smart ones but one of the reviews stated it was unsafe according to a U.K. engineer [19:04:26] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> As I think it comes from the US [19:04:38] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> The one I found above seems to do the job I want [19:31:40] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> Might be due to voltage, iirc, US runs on 120v [19:32:54] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> The UK has pretty strict electrical safety standards @originalauthority [19:33:07] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> Which is good [19:33:23] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> Yeah, I know. Just cost me £650 for a new consumer unit to bring it up to regs 😢 [19:33:35] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> Heh [19:33:46] <MirahezeRelay_> <rhinosf1> I think I'd rather strong safety standards @originalauthority [19:51:57] <Cocopuff2018> hows everyone doing today? [19:52:56] <MirahezeRelay_> <theoneandonlylegroom> pre-monday depression [19:53:37] <Cocopuff2018> ha self hosting my own wiki is depressing as if..... [19:54:54] <RhinosF1> I have the week off so happy [19:55:32] <Cocopuff2018> t i am soo done centrelauth i finally got it to work on a self hosted wiki! [19:56:19] <Cocopuff2018> everyone says its soo hard to install but really its not) [19:57:12] <RhinosF1> Why do you need central auth [19:57:27] <RhinosF1> And it requires maintenance [19:57:57] <RhinosF1> CentralAuth will break completely fairly soon [19:58:13] <Cocopuff2018> planning to put 2 wikis together to make a mini wiki farm [19:59:33] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> Shared tables would probably work better for a small farm. [20:00:01] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> Was wiring [20:00:29] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> Wait what unit [20:01:21] <Cocopuff2018> what is concerning is when the next update comes out and it comes time to update centrelauth than its really gonna break [20:02:20] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> I just got ghost pinged [20:06:20] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority, replying to paladox> Consumer unit [20:06:35] <Cocopuff2018> i think it was paldox who ghost pinged original [20:07:10] <MirahezeRelay_> <paladox> No [20:07:40] <RhinosF1> I'm not sure how that ghost ping happened [20:07:50] <MirahezeRelay_> <originalauthority> (Turns out it wasn’t a ghost ping the message just didn’t load) [20:07:59] <RhinosF1> That makes more sense [20:26:44] <MirahezeRelay_> <tali64, replying to Cocopuff2018> Reminder that using IRC to evade Discord bans is a conduct violation [21:30:30] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> Is this a electrical panel [21:30:48] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to paladox> yes, a fuse box (they changed the name a couple' regulations ago) [21:30:56] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Ohhh [21:31:35] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> expensive stuff 😦 [21:31:44] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Yeh :/ [21:32:17] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> My dads system is expensive as he lives in the us. So has ac built in etc [21:35:39] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> What’s the difference [21:35:48] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> between what? [21:35:49] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Is it just more safety wiring [21:35:58] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> The older fuse and your newer one [21:37:14] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Regulations changed in whatever year to mean that all new installs in bathrooms needed to have RCD protection; the previous owner of my house was probably against paying to upgrade the whole system so stuck the shower circuit on a separate fuse board with RCD protection. I had to get them combined into one and RCD on each circuit. [21:37:35] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [21:37:39] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> It's not legally required to upgrade non-RCD circuits, but you can't add anything to them, only change like-for-like [21:38:03] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> since I needed a cooker switch adding, I needed the RCD's unfortunately [21:38:31] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [21:38:41] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> My fuse box is in the most dumb place @originalauthority [21:38:48] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> where? [21:38:51] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> They usually are [21:39:08] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Tbf in my grans it is kinda in a more convenient place then usual [21:39:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Right at the back of a cupboard in the top of the corridor between rooms [21:39:41] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It must be about 2m high the cupboard [21:39:44] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> yeah, its usually wherver your meter is; mines smack bang in the middle of my living room wall unfortunately and I don't want to fork out for SP to move the meter so I'll have to make do 😦 [21:39:58] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> a lot of people's are, my friends is right above her front door [21:40:01] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> And it's like a good arms length back inside it [21:40:17] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Yes but it's kinda impossible to get a ladder close [21:40:24] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> must be annoying for work to be done on it [21:40:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It was for BG [21:40:48] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> He had to put a ladder through both doors [21:40:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> And stretch way over [21:41:24] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Fuck knows how you're getting to that safely in the dark [21:41:51] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Do you have radiators [21:41:58] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Or have you upgraded to a heat pump [21:43:03] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> thats annoying as; probably installed when building regs weren't as strict? [21:43:07] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to paladox> who? [21:43:15] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> You [21:43:49] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> It's a Victorian build. No idea when the fuse box was out in because that's not Victorian obviously [21:43:58] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I have radiators. My house probably isn't insulated enough at present to have a heat pump; iirc, my EPC is like a D [21:43:59] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> We have radiators [21:44:07] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [21:44:09] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> that made me chuckle [21:44:13] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> "its not victorian obviously" [21:44:28] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> also heat pumps are mega expensive [21:44:52] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> you can get a government subsidy of about 5k but i think they still run about 5k after the subsidy [21:46:12] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Yeh [21:46:20] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Heat pumps are expensive [21:46:30] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> But don’t they make the room warmer [21:47:19] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I don't think so, you know. [21:47:30] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> thats why you need to be insulated to the heavens [21:47:53] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> cheaper to run i believe though [21:48:03] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [21:48:06] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Damn [21:48:28] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Cheapest food [21:48:35] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> But you don’t want to be freezing [21:49:05] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I care about the environment, don't get me wrong (I have a geography degree), but at the moment, the trade off between having gas central heating and heat pump isn't worth it. I live on my own and generally only use about £1.00—£1.50 gas per day, so it isn't really worth it to me [21:51:47] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [21:52:16] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Have you got a smart thermostat [21:52:30] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> nope [21:52:41] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Also that’s why I want a ceiling fan. Costs become cheaper to run it because of its efficiency. [21:53:01] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Save on the heating bill because it drags the hot air upwards [21:53:35] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> i guess, yeah, my nan has a ceiling fan. Has only just had her central heating turned back on since having it off 30 years ago [21:53:46] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Has a d electricity so expensive :ultraseeth: [21:54:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> That's like me [21:54:10] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Is the fan one of those ugly ones with strings hanging off [21:54:18] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Or rather switches hanging down [21:54:18] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> If I owned a place, a heat pump wouldn't be worth it [21:54:31] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> I use like £1 gas a day [21:54:34] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Yeh I wouldn’t get a heat pump then [21:54:37] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to paladox> yeah, major chohe hazasrd [21:54:54] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh I see [21:54:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It would probably solve the fact that hot water isn't instant as they run a lot warmer [21:55:02] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Yeh I hate the ugly ones lol [21:55:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> But then it only takes like 1-2 minutes to get hot water [21:55:20] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox, replying to rhinosf1> That would be because of the tank [21:55:23] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> sometimes I miss having a hot water cylinder [21:55:34] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> In newer build houses they have a system that doesn’t use a tank [21:55:35] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to paladox> You mean lack of one [21:56:21] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Heat pumps run a lot warmer than boilers so it's quicker to get hot water without a tank [21:56:22] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> In the all in one systems that takes a few mins to heat, it means that you won’t run out of hot water [21:56:32] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> As opposed to the ones with water tanks [21:56:33] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> a combi boiler? [21:56:48] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Dunno what a combi boiler is [21:57:05] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to paladox> Yeah that's a problem at my mum's [21:57:07] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> 😮 [21:57:16] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to paladox> are you originally american? [21:57:29] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> The system is old (the boiler itself isn't that old but the tank and piping all is) and it often plays up [21:57:55] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> There have been many times the tank has failed and left us with no hot water [21:58:01] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> I’m from the us but have lived in the U.K. since I was a little baby [21:58:05] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Ahh, [21:58:21] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> combi boiler is what most people have nowadays (I think), and is probably what you're describing [21:58:56] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> used to happen to my mum too; the switch that controls whether you get central heating or hot water is prone to failure i believe [21:58:59] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [22:00:41] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I think you generally only see bigger houses nowadays with tanks (or those who haven't upgraded), becuase combi boilers can't handle the pressure if too many taps are on at once (and of course, you can only have one at a time, so if you're running the tap you can't have central heating) [22:01:08] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Ohhhhhh [22:01:10] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Hmm [22:01:36] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> So many parts have failed on that tank [22:01:37] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> I’m not sure what type of system my dad has as the water takes a few mins to hear before coming out [22:01:55] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> probably a combi boiler or something similar [22:02:03] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> if he had a tank it would come out instantly [22:02:09] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> @originalauthority mums is 3 storey, 4 bed, 2 bathrooms built early 2000s [22:02:36] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> yeah, no surprise she's got a tank, would be hell trying to get a combi boiler to power that [22:02:40] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> but i believe some can nowadays [22:02:44] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> £££££ though [22:04:38] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Do you have ac machines / fans? [22:06:46] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> nope [22:07:08] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh how do you keep yourself cool lol [22:07:17] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> open the windows heh [22:07:30] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> We got this nice fan, it’s expensive but was energy efficient although not as much as the ceiling fan would [22:07:58] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> yeah, fans are nice in the summer [22:08:49] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> The tank is 20 years old though [22:09:13] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It's probably time to replace it [22:09:17] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> they're rated for like 25 years or something I believe [22:09:32] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> often with things like that, its cheap for the materials but labour is expensive [22:09:36] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> pisses me off [22:10:04] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> It'll probably want replacing before she sells [22:10:35] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> log burners are really in at the moment as an alternative to central heating [22:10:38] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> Because I imagine any new buyer will want more efficient (and actually working) heating [22:10:45] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> yeah, probably [22:10:47] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> / hot water [22:11:05] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Mums has a coal fire [22:11:11] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> 2 bathrooms though, you'd be surprised, if I was buying a house with x2 bathrooms, I'd want a tank [22:11:27] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> ohh nice, I live in a smoke control order so cant burn coal 😦 [22:11:57] <MirahezeRelay> <rhinosf1> I'm off to sleep now [22:12:06] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> g'night [22:28:36] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox, replying to originalauthority> Smoke control order? [22:29:06] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Yeah. Can’t burn anything that produces smoke [22:29:13] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I imagine it’s some emission thing [22:29:34] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> https://www.gov.uk/smoke-control-area-rules [22:29:40] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Interesting as I have a chimney [22:29:53] <MirahezeRelay> <paladox> Oh [22:30:24] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> > In a Smoke Control Area, the following fuels are authorised for use: gas, electricity, low volatile steam coals, coke, and patent smokeless fuels such as Coalite, Rexco and Homefire [22:30:32] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> From my councils website [22:30:36] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> Annoying like but