[00:16:18] I really want to join but... no premium :( [00:20:53] ”premium” [00:21:04] Still weird to call it that [00:21:16] when its just a license to the actual game [00:23:22] [1/2] No money [00:23:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298441602582319134/Screenshot_20241022_182235_Firefox.jpg?ex=67199379&is=671841f9&hm=5c7494b701e528958058db5d7c4b0c6e95c753ee17b3ab38dec9be47434f20a2& [00:29:28] [1/3] 2 options: [00:29:28] [2/3] Spend my hard earned money in $1000 MXN Xbox gift card [00:29:28] [3/3] Get $1000 MXN Xbox gift card using MS Rewards [00:30:21] jesus [00:30:24] fair enough [00:31:13] like 57570 points [00:59:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYyuvrKI_w [01:26:12] Oh hey, I recognize that name [01:27:18] well this is interestng [01:27:43] who wants to guess how much storage 97 bucks can buy on magnetic tape these days [01:28:20] ffirst thing i see from a search on amazon so not scouring for cheap or anything [01:28:23] no cheating [01:28:25] !! [01:30:20] can almost certainly get better deals with some looking [01:31:34] java or bedrock? (sorry for going way back in convo i just saw it when i opened chat) [01:32:34] no worries [01:32:39] java [01:32:49] oof [01:32:55] i only have bedrock rn... [01:36:13] Magtapes for non-specialized hardware? Going to take a wild guess at 128GB [01:36:25] HA [01:36:27] 45TB [01:36:41] Jango Krangp [01:36:53] if i understand write [01:37:51] [1/2] https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Ultrium-Data-Cartridge-Native/dp/B09HTLMPH9/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.NqZuOb1OVlGcadP31DDQ5fcTs153sytynQ9t5dyOHzMyW072C3O6jhS2Cs3NSc4tCDubLgStspurB4cHehrmNt-c5MA_5rxzcX4zNAYYYV_fqjSYkr758Yw_hmNbHNnezHw0Uc2Al0wFdZqAWtyo60XK9PM1rd2--Ju6Wy23HcfQ2I9Wt5Y7DHiWzPsG2ZFNw03_aGlBc0ELDdYHSuxoNIZsbTrcZOpXfyto8SXwE7Q.SAUOBUFk5z_T4vvmdA4uCFGl4UE7-Z01XW_zRJCw-rk&dib [01:37:51] [2/2] _tag=se&mfadid=adm [01:37:54] I'm used to the IT guys at work bitching about swapping out a few TBs [01:38:01] although [01:38:03] its tape [01:38:10] so the read speed is ABYSMAL [01:39:03] Yeah, see this is what I was thinking [01:39:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298460676507041854/Screenshot_20241022-183845.png?ex=6719a53d&is=671853bd&hm=fbee687bdea531688db1aff4810140da306aa9be0875167e5239c81a5e77477d& [01:39:32] but for disaster recovery backups, where you hopefully wont need to read at all, if you do need to its copying back entirely [01:40:00] i got the idea so look because we dont really have good image backups because of the storage required [01:40:16] obviously research is needed into this [01:41:07] but if we could backup our entire image store a dozen times over for 100 bucks for disaster recov, would be neat. again, no idea if its feasible, but may be worth looking into [01:41:11] If we're talking about bringing in data tapes, that's a new and different complexity vs our current configs [01:41:27] But never say never [01:41:31] yeah thats also an issue [01:41:49] ideally the backups wouldnt be in FSSLC [01:42:32] I did once work for a VERY old school corp where tapes then got read and tripled. [01:43:26] did it work [01:44:29] Masters went to a property the CEO owned, each double went to a storage unit in a different state where rents were turbo cheap [01:45:04] But also kinda close to a data center [01:46:05] The recovery plan was to rent a uhaul and shlep them all to a data center if the worst happened [01:46:23] ive heard worse plans by far [01:46:33] Never got tested, but would have made a hell of a storage wars episode [01:47:15] The company pulled stakes on us presence and basically abandoned the units full of tapes as I understand it [01:48:18] think they still there? [01:48:26] huh https://www.amazon.com/Hewlett-Packard-Enterprise-LTO-9-45TB/dp/B09H5BW9WC [01:49:33] Could be. We're talking about extreme deal-seeking and low traffic locations. [01:50:01] Though this is 15-20 years back [01:50:11] [1/2] F U C K [01:50:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298463452595097701/image0.jpg?ex=6719a7d3&is=67185653&hm=a660096fe05b2fd6323aedc75f0bead0678afc6b244bad52975b2c943ece6364& [01:51:06] Somewhere out there is a locker full of tapes with your name on it. (Cue one piece intro) [02:00:52] The magnetic tape pirates [02:01:07] what does tape taste like i wonder [02:03:56] Not good. Went to a shredding facility once. [02:05:57] what did it taste like specifically [02:08:26] I was inpatient and use a US and Netherlands VPN [02:09:27] The air was heavy with off gassing from bitter and cloying plastics, the tape itself didn't make much smell [02:09:58] not tasty ☹️ [02:10:44] But it stung to the sinus and have a metallic impression with how much was in the air [02:10:54] oh btw NA did i give you an edit or view link to the etherpad i made for the thing rhinos and I have been trying to schedule [02:11:16] They didn't bother giving us masks, probably not good in retrospect [02:11:37] hi is this OSHA [02:12:57] Someone mentioned me [02:13:03] Been very busy, only lightly following. 😦 [02:13:06] me while back [02:13:14] oh no worries mate [02:13:18] Regarding the MC server yea. Saw that. [02:13:28] i dont think either of us is entirely in the know either lmao [02:13:36] if you'd like a link lmk [02:13:55] Oh yes, and I managed to get my discord account suspended again for a while. [02:14:01] im adding smt i saw was answered a while back in the email chain [02:14:08] managed like [02:14:11] on purpose or? [02:15:16] I woke up today to a email and my reaction was like: oh, well, it happens to everyone. It's suspended until the 24th so yeah. If you are going to shitpost probably do it in discords where everyone understands the joke [02:16:26] Does not casue me much issues since I use IRC and XMPP heavily in places with bridges so... [02:17:37] Speaking of, Miraheze Multiplayer needs a IRC bridge or something [03:59:21] [1/2] @cosmicalpha i got a 12 am inspiration and made this you're welcome [03:59:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298495958123806730/Cylz65x.png?ex=6719c619&is=67187499&hm=2c06a233bc67c3922598ed891c73a332d52c51eb9834f168497ba0fcdd58fadc& [03:59:54] 🤣 [04:00:05] lmao [04:05:47] wisdom [06:46:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298538020814983168/IMG_20241023_093623.jpg?ex=6719ed45&is=67189bc5&hm=cba669cfda6ad116c3e32034063baa328fe606938259c4230557e6b52e250fbc& [06:46:57] https://tenor.com/view/e3-peggle-jump-two-gif-13350703 [06:47:08] this is ass tho [06:49:47] Fr [06:49:58] Ai "art" in general sucks [06:50:34] Like ok, if u told me about it 2 years ago, I'd think it's a pretty cool concept, only because it's something new and unseen from before [06:51:11] But now, u look at a bunch of ai art, and it's just nothing but utter garbage [06:52:00] Which ironically enough, I see it as humorous, only because it's ridiculous [06:52:08] yeah, now we see why artists finally should leave twitter, they definitely scrap images [08:23:06] ngl I liked when early image generators would produce utter body horror shit, this was funny [09:31:04] <.labster> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298579434751655998/image.png?ex=671a13d7&is=6718c257&hm=1a181dc28f1d69ded8d4f35f7a28d3b9f8a7090809c8db131c3d778434cef1e1& [09:32:18] <.labster> We're much bigger than WMF if we choose our metrics carefully [09:33:45] > Wierd Gloop [09:35:05] <.labster> https://weirdgloop.org/ [09:35:38] <.labster> They are small but those 5 wikis have a budget 10x of Miraheze. [09:35:45] > Wierd [09:35:58] <.labster> Yes, I before E, except after C. [09:36:07] weird [09:36:10] okay then [09:36:31] <.labster> No I know weird is an exception to that rule and I made a typo. [09:37:45] <.labster> We should go back to spelling it wyrd like the old days. [09:38:25] I thought wiki.gg is bigger somehow [09:38:35] oh well, but we are bugger than wmf lol [09:38:44] bugger ...... [09:41:17] <.labster> I'm sure we could better apply that adjective to a different wiki host [09:52:49] wiki.gg is absolutely not bigger at all [09:53:12] Every week, several new wikis are released [09:53:39] Meanwhile, on Miraheze, there are like 50-100 new wikis [09:54:09] I meant that I thought they're around 200 at least at this point [09:54:15] In wiki.gg, each and every wiki is reviewed by staff and is temporarily private until it becomes ready for public release [09:54:25] Ah, I see [09:54:38] Well, in all cases, it's great that there are now a lot of wikis [09:55:46] And speaking of Weird Gloop, we're working with them on something, but I'm not gonna publicly give out details [10:01:21] where is it from tho? [10:02:46] <.labster> A spreadsheet I made in like 10 minutes [10:03:44] <.labster> [1/2] with raw data (rounded but it's a log scale anyway lol) [10:03:44] <.labster> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298587657881784381/image.png?ex=671a1b80&is=6718ca00&hm=6ded7a60c7d9191d916e7079806770d6729476939255da72c6d4bd12523d7767& [10:03:54] ah lol [10:04:06] thought someone made a post about wiki hosting [10:04:17] <.labster> Maybe I should [10:05:27] <.labster> We're only one order of magnitude off from competing directly with Fandom. Which is another way of saying we need to think about scaling 10x in the next 3-4 years. [10:11:03] you could add here other networks like ABXY, they maintain some indie Nintendo wilis [10:11:24] not full on farms but bigger than Weird Gloop and known enough [10:11:54] Hollow Knight Wiki went w/ them [10:13:43] [1/2] on an "indie-ness" scale I see [10:13:43] [2/2] self-hosting > indie networks (ABXY, Bulbagarden, WG, ...) > Miraheze > Telepedia > wiki.gg > Fandom [10:14:22] <.labster> I might be friends with the guy who runs WG )) He helped a lot during the time when MHL was going to shut down. [10:14:41] well, I remember that [10:14:57] that was huge [10:16:11] although, LoL wiki being supported by Riot and labelled official destroys any way to call them indie [10:17:26] Minecraft Wikis are indie tho :ThinkerMH: [10:19:45] <.labster> I think it's possible to be indie while being sponsored, so long as there is real community leadership [10:29:48] ^ [10:29:56] isn't runescape kind of in a similar situation? [10:30:31] true [10:30:31] where jagex sponsored the wiki? [10:30:44] yeah, I forgot about that [10:30:46] they're indie in the sense that they are hosted on their "own" [10:30:56] and not on Fandom [10:31:27] on another hand, neither Riot or Jagex are like, say, Nintendo lol [10:32:00] yeah [10:32:01] NIWA are different [10:32:36] they're just independent [10:36:38] it's soon gonna be 10,001 and 249,999 [10:37:24] <.labster> nice [12:06:03] Fandom doesn't seem to view miraheze as a competitor though which says something [12:06:10] Also wiki.gg has 800+ wikis [12:07:03] but if Miraheze had stronger SEO ... [12:24:01] part of that seo stuff is telling users 'screw your autonomy' and doing seo friendly things by default, a line we've actively resisted crossing in favor of project autonomy and which would turn off a number of people from the platform if it was crossed [12:34:16] yeah [12:47:44] Probably because they see wiki.gg as a place for formal wikis only while Miraheze is not [12:47:50] Maybe it's that [12:49:34] My sentinents exactly [12:49:50] wiki.gg "playing the game" actively against fandom could give more reason to be bothered with them say, poaching a major project where miraheze has no such organization/aspirations [12:50:13] Yeah also that [12:50:16] not that we will not support projects that wish to move but we're not necessarily likely to make the first move [12:50:25] Not sure i entirely agree with their business method but heh [14:46:30] What makes a good category layout to you? [15:17:28] Does anybody have the MC server for Miraheze'ss adress? [15:21:55] It’s whitelisted by consensus, feel free to ask Felenov if you wanna join to do a !vote with the members [15:22:31] Discord name? [15:22:59] He’s mainly on IRC now but @felenov [15:49:38] What kinda spawn does your server have? [16:24:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298683356115894314/bb6b4f65c876b8496e8ddd6ddb129be6.png?ex=671a74a0&is=67192320&hm=27050a0774e3f3d586a6e1005309109ab7ec06b7f1e2678cb9f31238ac0e4c65& [16:24:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298683379234902038/IMG_1882.png?ex=671a74a5&is=67192325&hm=97b816e9f435f5cf6260cb15a32c22ec7e099d1a7a267ce3515422331c63c661& [16:24:35] @squarerootnegative1_or_epiklord Offtopic doesn't mean posting random memes. This is your final warning, after which you will be timed out [16:24:56] Then where should I post them? [16:25:20] Nowhere @squarerootnegative1_or_epiklord [16:26:15] dis is not fun at all. [16:26:24] No it's not [16:26:39] Boring [16:27:05] Leave if you don't like us [16:27:32] And there’s not even a rule channel [16:28:18] Read #info [16:29:57] @ghaztliousmoths I never got your email to send the help pack too [16:30:06] Updated name of channel since it's not the first time we've ever gotten this question [16:36:32] Ive been busy, ill send it rn [16:38:25] Can I rack mount a gaming PC? [16:38:37] Will send the pack first thing tomorrow [16:38:50] thanks [16:39:08] If you buy a rack mounted one [16:39:52] I started writing the essay but man its really hard to not jump into stating something personal to help [16:40:12] Could I like put the hardware into a 4U case? [16:40:22] Sure [16:40:39] You just need to find a source to back personal up [16:41:32] Its more just, me talking about how it affected me - which isnt the point of the essay [16:41:41] I thought, you see my PC wouldd be great as a server and co loc might be cheaper then a VPS [16:42:52] You could find something academic that talks about how it affected the people what watched it [16:43:03] [1/2] Ovh rise 3 is or £101.46 incl. VAT/month : https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-gb/bare-metal/prices/?display=list&range=rise [16:43:04] [2/2] But maybe coloc is cheaper [16:43:31] You used to get free 1U colo on GitHub education [16:44:46] I mean, I have the hardware, if it fits into a rack I could colo it if it is cheaper then a VPS [16:45:43] [1/3] Possibly [16:45:43] [2/3] Unfortunately I have no academic resources for The Owl House :( too new [16:45:43] [3/3] I really hope they dont deduct points from my essay because my bibliography is not going to have the mininum of 5 academic sources [16:53:49] Even a 2U rack is cheaper then OVH rise three (from: https://www.servercolocation.uk/pages/server-colocation ) [17:16:41] Would you suggets VPS/VDS or co loc price wise? [17:52:21] [1/2] brief Miraheze mention ... [17:52:21] [2/2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYyuvrKI_w [18:00:37] What do you need resources wise [18:04:15] I really do have a 64 GB RAM and high eend CPU /GPU computer [18:59:44] I don't particularly like this video [19:00:07] at 10 minutes in, maybe it will have better going forward [19:02:38] around which part is the MH mention? 👀 [19:11:01] I forgor [19:18:02]