[01:15:51] Twitter is on fire tonight 😭😭 [01:17:10] What’s new lmao [01:17:42] [1/3] Exhibit #1 of americans being dumb [01:17:43] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1303891096211947531/Screenshot_20241107_011353_X.jpg?ex=672d66b6&is=672c1536&hm=6431005cbb7ef11b21b984d38199d46923c065fad2d6b1656029500a5c3a3f22& [01:17:43] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1303891096715268187/Screenshot_20241107_011358_X.jpg?ex=672d66b6&is=672c1536&hm=0cea4f466e28297deca5f776c3ba95de435466b07a6ef9f928615371a1b886f2& [02:25:52] [1/2] "hillary ran in 2016" 179 likes [02:25:52] [2/2] "for what" 400 likes [02:25:54] what [02:45:21] I'm American and I'm not dumb [02:48:36] thr continent [02:52:32] "First Ladies aren't presidental cadidates" in Mexico we got Claudia Sheinbaum so that is super wrong 😂 [03:58:17] I'm jealous you get the good country [04:02:24] these standards are sad [04:12:15] pfft [04:12:21] welp [04:12:31] data science! https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/F4042106 [04:13:08] reception123: new very accurate very serious vizulization just droped [04:46:03] oi BlankEclair [04:46:10] oh hey [04:46:25] you'll never believe what i spent thirty minutes of my life on [04:46:32] what [04:46:42] REing a bank app? [04:46:46] no [04:46:48] i gave up on that [04:46:55] boooo [04:47:01] https://files.catbox.moe/tuv0co.png [04:47:03] making a new bank app [04:47:08] https://files.catbox.moe/cmmkwh.png [04:48:43] que [04:51:00] BlankEclair i found a new cli tool [04:53:35] oh? [04:53:37] https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck [04:54:12] you make a typo in a command, type 'fuck' after and it suggest a fix [04:55:01] oh, fuck [04:55:05] yeah i've seen it [04:55:47] i wanna blep in bed [04:55:52] and therefore, i will blep in bed [04:56:38] god, blahaj is so softtt [04:56:41] especially to my arms [04:56:54] which i don't feel much when wearing long sleeves :( [05:23:22] how did i end up reading a data analysis of Love Island relations [05:23:35] i  dont even watch these type of TV [05:24:01] The only "reality" "TV" ive seen recently at all is Dropout TV [05:24:05] Game Changer rocks [05:32:13] love is not thriving off love island lmao [05:32:21] https://flourish.studio/blog/love-island-data-analysis/ fun read though [05:38:51] data fun [05:39:51] reception123: for the 10th birthday party we should try and prepare a giant compendium of data from over the last decade on wiki count topic etc [05:43:07] i want to try to sneak :3 into the party somehow [05:46:13] BrandonWM, [05:46:16] whoops [05:46:28] BlankEclair i have full faith in you [05:46:41] you are simply [05:46:42] hell yeah :3 [05:46:44] too gay [05:51:49] rare claire using capitalised sentences: https://catgirl.center/notes/a0agdv7alcin06mn [05:53:55] acephobia? [05:54:05] is that literally just- [05:54:12] homophobia but asexuals [05:54:54] oh no this person dont wanna fuck no one welp my power is threatened im scared welp no rights for them problem solved [05:55:13] yeah i know right? xD [05:55:36] https://files.catbox.moe/c1jc3j.jpg [05:56:20] PFT- [05:56:51] IT AIN'T WRONG- [07:12:32] [1/2] > the color purple is hella cool [07:12:32] [2/2] hell yeah it is 💜 [07:13:28] [1/2] > god, blahaj is so softtt [07:13:29] [2/2] :BlobHajMlem: :BigBlobhajHug: ik you probs wont see the emotes on irc but yes can confirm blahaj is _so_ so soft :3 [07:13:38] ikrrrrrrrr [07:14:11] i'd recommend blahaj to anyone [07:14:17] blahaj is for all [07:14:33] mhm! [07:14:37] this may end wars [07:14:47] i should pay rain the US$20 for a blahaj [07:14:48] (/j but we should try just in case :3) [07:15:15] :Rain_squee: [07:15:24] we have rain emotes on this server? [07:15:37] no in another server lol [07:15:38] or did you just send the text [07:15:40] oh ok [07:15:42] i haz nitro [07:15:47] oh v2 [07:16:14] i pay discord and they let me spread emotes wherever the server doesn't prevent me >:3 [07:16:35] >:3c [07:17:07] :PuddleStreeeetch: [07:17:31] emotional support fluffy :3 [07:17:44] le fluffy bnuuy [07:18:40] maybe one day i'll get a rabbit. can't do cats unfortunately (i hate this, i cry) but bunny plus blahaj seems like a good i think [07:20:51] awhh :( [07:20:57] also, i'm reminded of f1nn5ter's blahaj corner [07:21:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8t5TL_1aLc [07:21:07] oldie but still true [07:23:09] i want a blahaj corner so bad tbh [07:23:43] my bed is finally in a spot now i could maybe logistically have a pile of blahaj in a corner [07:23:59] jus a big ol pile of big soft squimchy sharky bois :3 [07:24:13] but, alas, money 😔 [07:24:20] i haz one tho, so that's a fine start [07:24:56] i am half-tempted to finance everyone who wants a blahaj [07:27:57] based tbh [07:28:21] blahaj as a human right for ppl who want it 💯 [07:30:39] someone probably put out a mutual aid just for blahaj [07:46:25] pretty sure i saw one around fedi at some point [07:46:40] was for a friend tho iirc [07:46:52] idr the details [07:46:56] but like, based, lowkey [07:49:35] my god, i got zero work done today thanks to blahaj [07:50:08] got the one minute foot (not leg) cramp dlc [07:51:17] Hey BlankEclair [07:54:10] hey RhinosF1 [07:54:41] omg wikimedia should totally give away blahaj [07:54:45] wmf* [07:54:53] That would be cool [12:59:47] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/Special_report [13:00:04] Wikipedia editors face litigation, censorship [13:01:47] certain countries and institutions should have no say in western entities like wikipedia or any other site like miraheze for that reason imo [13:02:57] 💯, it’s awesome to see Wikimedia holding their ground to their cause and not giving away the editor identities [13:03:27] I empathize with populations of tyrannies who in no way are entirely complicit any more than I blame every russian for the ukraine affair [13:03:50] yet no quarter can be given to such governments anyway even if well meaning people will be inconvenienced when a platform inevitably needs to tell tyrannies to go fuck themselves [13:04:31] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-11-06/In_focus [13:04:36] And another one [13:04:51] Questions and answers about the court case [13:06:17] anyone here use or tried cosmic epoch [13:16:31] I want BLAHAJ but I don't have ikea [13:16:54] awh :( [14:02:41] <.guardianx., replying to emicraftnoob> You can buy their stuff online if I remember right [14:02:52] <.guardianx.> Unlss i'm totally out of the loop lol [14:04:37] @rhinosf1 what’s the wmcloud tool that ranks miraheze sites by edits and other stats [14:05:20] https://wikistats.wmcloud.org [14:05:58] Wikihives? [14:06:55] Aw, don’t have fees right. Shame. [14:10:22] what [14:12:09] Views* autocorrect [14:34:46] I got an ad advertising LinkedIn ads [14:35:53] ye no, it is just using the stats api [14:36:02] We have a stats api [14:36:03] ? [14:36:46] yes equivalent of Special:Statistics [14:36:53] not for matomo data [14:36:59] What’s the endpoint [14:37:41] no idea [14:37:44] i'm lazy [14:37:48] the api has a doc [15:45:47] @cosmicalpha checking out LiberTranslate [15:45:54] Funny stuff [15:46:25] Ro’s name translated to O que foi? ( means what is it?) [15:46:45] Maybe userspace links should’ve exempted [15:47:25] Also [15:47:45] Claire’s name translates to cobertura, LITERALLY blanket [15:49:01] Who imported the IRS article to testbeta [15:50:08] which page PixDeVl link [15:50:16] @pixldev [15:50:55] https://test.mirabeta.org/wiki/Main_Page/pt [15:51:47] Comments don’t show up on translations hm [18:19:48] Question, what would be a generic base symbol for wikis? Ie something to represent the concept and use in iconography for more specific stuff. The puzzle globe is specifically Wikipedia of course, im wondering if the W with serifs is representative of wikis or Wikimedia specifically [18:19:53] Thoughts? [18:23:16] I've seen couple of times logos w/ double square brackets, can't remember where [18:24:08] which ofc goes from old MediaWiki logo [18:24:56] On a bluesky argument about wiki deletion :p [18:25:10] hm? [18:26:53] I think that is a good representation of mediawiki as a software, but it feels to biased and unrepresentative of the open knowledge nature of a wiki [18:26:59] Also wikitext hurts [18:29:34] Oh? [18:32:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304151568534208522/Screenshot_20241107_183233_Bluesky.png?ex=672e594b&is=672d07cb&hm=a09c1703c40900aa7fb040e1b7c33b2b73e0280a80ef5edd3ecf0e7f24cf88a9& [18:33:15] as though countless people haven't tried that [18:33:23] And then they demote and maybe global block [18:34:14] I think utg wiki had a notice but today they don’t [18:34:16] So idk [18:35:00] [1/2] They also said: [18:35:00] [2/2] "There's no reason to close it, minecraft,wiki is the first search results for "minecraft wiki" anyways" (original thread was about a game dev's worse nightmare being a wiki made on fandom, with their dislike being based on how the minecraft wiki wasn't allowed to be closed) [19:01:37] They do allow the closure of smaller wikis though [19:01:50] But it's gotta be like a very niche wiki [19:02:08] One that usually has little content and/or just edits from the founder [19:09:08] is RC looking weird for anyone [21:28:49] shipping fees [21:39:45] @rhinosf1 question [21:39:59] have i complained about how mediawiki stores timestamps yet [21:40:33] No [21:40:46] okay [21:40:47] i should [21:40:50] because it really [21:40:53] REALLY [21:40:55] ticks me off [21:41:10] Go on [21:41:13] trying to do data visualization [21:41:24] you know the format right? [21:41:33] `20150820111838` [21:42:11] any graph reasonably assumes this to be a number [21:42:14] in which case you get [21:43:02] well ill show you when it loads [21:43:24] [1/2] but like it sees this [21:43:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304199551216783381/IQWaU2L.png?ex=672e85fb&is=672d347b&hm=b21dd6f390a0618dcf125077a9c64706f8f8fc557e6099bdf21df3bf2f3f0e3b& [21:43:57] maybe trying to load our global account registration records into my browser was a bad idea but not relavent [21:44:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304199798857142332/GPlRIBU.png?ex=672e8636&is=672d34b6&hm=a5e4c25af6fa34630968a032fd667d786a461817c2253541ff0abbd179b6707c& [21:44:27] great idea [21:44:46] When the shipping fees are completely bs and overcharge you more then needed [21:44:53] hold up i posted this somewhere [21:44:57] how else do you expect them to be stored? [21:45:08] sanely??? [21:45:09] Like idk [21:45:12] UNIX [21:45:14] give an example [21:45:21] seconds from the epoch [21:45:27] Yeah but thats a lot worse for visually seeing [21:45:46] for example I can work out quickly the date and time of that timestamp, but cannot work out when a unix timestamp occured without a calculator [21:46:17] Ye but what's in the database ain't for visually seeing [21:46:27] erm [21:46:29] yes it is? [21:46:40] might not be for everyone to see but it needs to be understandable [21:46:55] Is like a shipment from CDMX or Puebla (were the only 2 ikeas are in Mexico) to Guanajuato [21:47:13] humans dont read that often but fine [21:47:22] ISO 8601? [21:47:35] MySQL also has a built in function you can use within an SQL for displaying a date from a unix timestamp [21:48:03] at least 8601 tends to be understood as a date [21:48:15] ...I'm really not getting your argument, why should I have to use a function to convert it from unix to human readable when It can just be saved as human readable in the first place? [21:48:48] Unix time is easier to deal with programmatically [21:48:56] im not making an argument at this point im complaining because its not working for my specific usecase [21:49:07] My stuff at work is all unix time under the hood [21:49:14] That's unix nano seconds [21:49:20] if you say so but i would disagree but okay [21:49:53] also try storing a unix timestamp after 2038 and come back to me [21:50:02] Already do that [21:50:09] It's called a 64 bit integer [21:51:04] yes 32 bits more than storing it like mediawiki does [21:51:12] chart is still loading.. [21:51:37] oh no we're going bankrupt we stored out date in 32 bits instead of 64 [21:51:37] We store nano or micro seconds anyway in my code [21:51:59] So that will have exceed 32 bit anyway already than a standard unix timestamp [21:53:10] let me try liberacalc at this point the web guys are dying [21:54:22] i wanna try and make maybe a streamgraph of approval to denies at some point [21:54:56] ah yes [21:55:00] my favorite date [21:55:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304202475007512646/iopLtmb.png?ex=672e88b4&is=672d3734&hm=29f02009b197b8642a01d038b270c33774b52f76e80be3c07c47b57c1e682672& [21:55:51] okay so plan, use graph magic to somehow parse mediawiki nonsene dates into UNIX [21:59:53] does [22:00:02] does it not have an option to like [22:00:06] set an x axis [22:00:08] only y [22:00:09] que [22:11:00] also google data studio exists [22:12:26] fuc it misunderstood [22:12:29] damn it sql [22:12:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304206906696663122/RvTpyqh.png?ex=672e8cd5&is=672d3b55&hm=8d2eb086a4d0e3ae4244bf73fdcc17f101623864f0d183cefb3338bdd5120d6f& [22:15:55] huh [22:18:06] we're trying google sheets [22:18:11] if that fails [22:18:14] im playing roblox [22:20:22] how long do you reckon grabbing 632000 threads off an ancient vb forum would take [22:21:01] around a month last we checked [22:21:10] I remember that estimate from you [22:21:32] I still haven't been brave enough to take the plunge [22:22:41] kind of figuring I might go for it around december, better to have even static html than nothing [22:23:04] why does india have a say in what wikipedia can or cant host on their website? [22:23:57] automated or? [22:24:45] well if we're talking by hand I'm sure it would be about as long as the 20 odd years the site has existed [22:25:05] I'd think a wget, dedicated vb scraper or something of the like [22:25:30] 🕷️ [22:25:31] ? [22:25:32] need to be a big boy that can take care of itself [22:25:45] basically a spider [22:26:01] is there an index posts [22:26:05] needs to not get blocked by some relatively zealous backend stuff if things are touched [22:26:12] no master index to pull from [22:26:27] if everything you need is on the same URL format its easier [22:26:33] threads are incremental so, just checking each address could probably do it [22:26:55] oh thats even better [22:27:04] mind if i take a looky look? [22:27:34] [1/2] knock yourself out [22:27:34] [2/2] https://www.twcenter.net/forums/ [22:28:25] [1/2] i made a discord theme... ||why does Discord make their CSS so complicated|| [22:28:26] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304210883169488928/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-11-07_a_las_4.27.21_p.m..png?ex=672e9089&is=672d3f09&hm=7b6f349f05827d05138e4b0e0bdd0ea0acda0055f39069254ee31c2006869c48& [22:28:43] its discord [22:29:11] it's a massive gnarly frontend software that isn't meant for paltry things like simple code or lightweight performance [22:29:15] obviously [22:30:09] ignoring the mediawiki 1.32, i assume youve looked for a generic spider for this form software? [22:30:23] apparently something like a third of the posts were made between 2007 and 2009 if my logic is right [22:30:33] might not be but whatever [22:30:38] okay good, you dont need the title part of the param to load it [22:30:41] there's a handful of crawler options yes [22:30:52] the wiki I already have several backups for [22:30:52] https://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?818018 is the same as https://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?818018-Newbie-Player-here [22:30:56] yep [22:31:14] yeah my math on the posts was way wrong [22:31:20] how badly do they suck [22:32:02] top results include https://github.com/vizzerdrix55/web-scraping-vBulletin-forum, https://github.com/lloydpick/vbulletin and https://github.com/IanLondon/detectorist-scraper [22:32:33] or skip all that for something more generic like [22:34:37] 120 hours took the first one woa [22:35:10] pretty sure all the forums those scrapers were for are comparatively tiny [22:35:13] [1/2] @rhinosf1 now that it loaded this is why it ticks me off [22:35:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304212592733982720/J5C5rgR.png?ex=672e9221&is=672d40a1&hm=f507776366813c2015855bdb68b6405a82ae2b15c2cbfe28e0e67f320da273d0& [22:35:25] christ [22:35:39] the big deal with this one is age + volume + depth of nested forums [22:36:00] it takes a long time to load the full listing [22:36:27] around a hundred are just waiting to be hard deleted [22:36:34] subforums I should say [22:37:04] 41gb of board data reported by the control panel [22:37:13] im assuming asking the sysadmins is out of the quest [22:37:34] owner went out for some milk and didn't come back [22:38:00] other tech guy went for a smoke and will return for five minutes some time this year at midnight [22:38:11] last one with lesser access stopped by in 2023 [22:38:23] the owner did log in january this year so hey [22:38:46] is there a contact method? may be worth a try [22:39:02] got him to reply once when bringing up reports of a data breach to the effect of 'pff it's fine' [22:39:16] possible breach, something nordpass or something is spreading around [22:39:43] that's where I knew he reads emails, he just kinda ignores them [22:39:58] encouraging [22:40:35] there's literally no evidence what the plan is if there is any, hence the desire to scrape for peace of mind in case he kicks the power strip for the last time [22:40:45] ah [22:40:59] do you know of a much smaller site using this software? [22:41:03] to stage on [22:41:34] one of them a vb scraper was built for upgraded to xenforo [22:41:41] I got over that dream last year [22:41:45] hm? [22:42:00] I'd pay a fair amount to see it upgraded to something modern but that's not in the cards [22:42:33] short of hosting a test one I'm not sure where to dig up a vb 4.2.5 forum [22:43:09] how old is that version [22:43:28] cause [22:43:48] PURELY HYPOTHETICAL [22:43:59] if it just happens to be a version with a [22:44:02] oh i dont know [22:44:10] known RCE [22:44:16] getting a backup [22:44:18] whole lot easier [22:44:33] [shrug](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/747680403778699304.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=shrug) [22:44:37] the final release in the 4.x series was launched in '17 [22:44:52] an exploit opens legal hurdles I am not interested in exposure to [22:45:04] the board itself doesn't run anything newer than php 7.1 [22:45:14] coincidentally the reason mediawiki is stuck in the mud [22:46:10] [KEKW](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/800390723262349352.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=KEKW) [22:46:16] yea getting sued bad [22:46:24] but uh [22:46:26] is unpleasant yes [22:46:28] anyways [22:46:36] google CVE-2023-25135 for no reason [22:46:56] wait [22:47:03] nevermind [22:47:08] its in fact too old [22:47:31] mhm [22:47:44] funny as hell though [22:47:55] and this people is why you keep your software up to date\ [22:48:01] [1/2] my adhd loves this [22:48:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1304215814555172975/Screenshot_20241107_164644_Discord.jpg?ex=672e9521&is=672d43a1&hm=2740e9e057f0279df56bcd014a741ccdcb3a939b1cfcc4fcbf301d387fa1c6ec& [22:48:06] the place is a bit of a fossil and has hemorrhaged its core audience for years for a myriad of reasons [22:48:30] I mean, it's sort of my fossil and I like it, but I'm weird [22:49:33] welcome to the club haha [22:50:26] another deepening problem is the link rot of third party image services [22:50:39] many images are probably permanently irrecoverable unless rebuilt from scratch [22:51:01] a lot of the guides are graphic, either partially or as the entire guide, so you see the problem [22:51:06] ah [22:51:07] hm [22:51:29] what if you just try and send archive.org on it? do they do spider requests [22:52:02] two things on archive.org; it should be something that could be independently rehosted, and archive.org isn't having a great period of time and it can't be the sole point of backup [22:52:29] I know I looked into it and didn't really find a way to tell it to do a bulk site save [22:53:43] Transferring like 660 billion web pages and other file type s probably ain't easy [22:54:24] its somewhat heavy on images and links to bulky files (though if the link addresses are preserved that's still a good thing), and indeed there's 14 million posts [22:54:56] a large chunk of that wouldn't be archivable as it's in private forums etc [22:59:20] Videos on webpages in Archive.org are still ass [23:00:08] it's not too heavy on video files [23:06:35] about 1340 subforums by the way