[00:37:19] fun fact: this firewall allowed some part of irc to go through lol [00:38:04] https://files.catbox.moe/z4i3tz.png [00:38:12] couldn't do sasl for some reason (why??? this is over tls too) [00:40:58] why.. not [00:41:12] Interesting song name lol [00:42:03] :3c [00:44:02] uhh i wonder if the lounge allows for private mode w/ no bouncer [00:44:47] https://thelounge.chat/docs/guides/znc [00:44:49] lol [00:45:00] Hm, I think I saw a setting in config for that? [00:45:18] guess i can set it to public mode [00:45:29] i'll re-disappear in like 5m [00:46:34] Enjoy the void friendo [00:46:40] thank you ^_^ [00:47:26] if you wanna over engineer, you could put authentication over the lounge [00:47:32] eh? why though [00:47:39] i mean, soju already has authentication [00:47:49] Why do we do anything [00:47:53] touche [00:48:34] If we wanna try private mode could also rip shit out of the code and hope for the best ™️ [00:48:59] public mode works tbh [00:49:07] i mean, the password field will be optional lol [00:49:13] but you can't really do much without auth [00:49:57] yeah, you need to know the user and domain for soju and the password to use it [01:31:42] Hello nerds. [01:34:41] hello (I presume) fellow nerd [01:34:57] we are discussing IRC by the looks of it [01:35:29] I'm also a nerd. Please. [01:35:32] I'm here. [01:35:38] IRC is old tech. [01:35:41] Don't @ me. [01:36:10] true [01:36:40] so is HTML and HTTP and JavaScript, which power the thing you’re using to talk to me right now [01:37:34] oh what are your pronouns btw, don’t see em in your profile [01:37:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340859711800606851/IMG_6429.webp?ex=67b3e46b&is=67b292eb&hm=5586ede08c00fbb92c64aad470efeec1c6c29860fc543eae673dcbebe0c76baf& [01:38:02] PFT [01:39:16] and get this [01:39:23] you wanna know how old electricity is [01:39:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340860165032775691/480226254_1340906047346118_3555781513563982915_n.png?ex=67b3e4d7&is=67b29357&hm=76f305c6bcb0a40ee80ebdf667d070ccdcf3da6692cd9ee233dc2032de8281bc& [01:39:46] Who does that still? [01:39:59] me, quite often actually [01:40:15] because I have a landline [01:40:29] I don't have a landline. I think I haven't for over 15 years or so [01:40:59] but yeah all technology is based on progressively older technology if you keep going back [01:41:47] my ISP gave me one, it’s part of my router (so technically VOIP but it still acts like a landline and you can plug phones into it and such) [01:42:22] I'm a guy. [01:42:31] Sorry I'm a bit old school. [01:42:34] We have 5G Mobile internet modems. So no need for landlines [01:42:47] Me too [01:42:57] So the old internet rule "Consider everybody on the internet as a guy until proven different." Still applies. [01:43:06] hehe [01:43:24] Fair. [01:43:31] Everything is old. [01:43:33] We're old. [01:43:44] I'm still single. [01:43:46] 😔 [01:43:48] Depends compared to who [01:44:12] I am 50+ and will never be old [01:44:18] Fair. [01:44:33] I like to pretend to be older than my age. Keep the kids away. [01:44:40] LOL [01:44:45] Especially the weird kids. [01:44:53] Which is ironic cause I'M the weird kid. [01:45:00] Or just, don’t assume also works [01:45:07] True [01:45:09] But not the... Whatever the hell is happening on social media is. [01:45:16] Not denying it. [01:45:24] I just default to they/them if I’m unsure [01:45:40] yes, this [01:45:41] I just say He/she [01:45:45] I just call people "thing" to resolve the issue. [01:45:59] A person is technically an object if inanimate. [01:46:01] They correct me if needed [01:46:18] Tried and true method. Nothing wrong with that. [01:46:23] pronouns ought to be in one’s bio, especially if you’ve proven that you can edit the pronouns field by putting some vaguely “funny” thing in it [01:46:48] but yeah I just do they/them and that works for everyone really [01:46:53] My sense of humour is as shallow as the dead sea. [01:46:59] News flash: The damned sea dried up. [01:47:23] I'm off to bed people. 2.47 am [01:47:32] Goodnight. Old timer. [01:47:35] [1/2] 💤 [01:47:36] [2/2] 🛌🏻 [01:47:43] I'll drink some coffee in your name. [01:47:47] I’m off to http://twitch.tv/vinesauce [01:47:52] And ibuprofen. [01:47:53] as many people are at this hour [01:48:01] Can't live without those. [01:48:09] Imagine living a life without ibuprofen. [01:50:20] Welp. There goes everybody. [01:50:24] Back to being alone. [02:37:45] > IRC is old tech. [02:37:49] elitericefarmer: no shit lol [02:42:18] Old doesn’t mean bad [02:43:25] that too :pp [02:43:37] oh yeah, i wonder if there are modded discord android clients [02:43:49] If an old software is still being used today, that means it works, and been well tested by time and wear [02:43:56] Yup [02:44:03] list? :3 [02:45:12] there’s an actual mobile version of https://vencord.dev but it by their own admission sucks [02:45:17] https://github.com/pyoncord/Pyoncord [02:45:27] and https://aliucord.com/ [02:45:33] are what they recommend [02:45:37] both are android [02:45:43] former also supports apple [02:45:54] been meaning to try it for some time [02:45:55] OwO [02:45:57] ty <3 [02:46:07] Do you use vencord? [02:46:30] no lol [02:47:09] How do you, BlankEclair, not use the cute gay shiggy mod [02:47:15] a:ShiggyTrans: [02:47:19] :ShiggySad: [02:47:46] Im shooketh [02:47:49] wait what? [02:47:50] i mean [02:47:58] i _just_ started using dc yesterday [02:48:04] Fair [02:48:05] i don't even have a desktop.client installed yet [02:48:07] I was joking [02:48:18] I’m not actually criticizing you [02:48:23] sorry if it came off that way [02:49:04] ah okay lol [02:49:11] it's okay ^w^ [02:49:43] But yeah vencord is claire coded [02:49:57] Insert disclaimer about ToS here im not telling you to use it [02:50:32] [1/2] But [02:50:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340878017500676189/image.png?ex=67b3f577&is=67b2a3f7&hm=3c622204ab9655598aa1b3849b5e7df3eac635f3cd97f608972d3552f61366d0& [02:50:51] so gay [02:50:51] Actually reminds me of transfem.social’s logo [02:50:54] would consider for desktop [02:51:14] Yeah, Vesktop is neat [02:51:14] i'll try bnnuy for mobile [02:51:31] one sec as i try to figure out what kinda fucking xposed i should get for android xD [02:51:39] Also has some performance improvements since it removes telemetry and bloat [02:51:55] If you don’t overload with plugins and theming [02:52:03] like a certain Brazilian I know [02:53:05] fuck it, rootless time [02:53:23] Be gay do crime [02:54:47] i am :3c [02:55:28] she slau [02:59:20] aaa can't do 2fa :(( [02:59:26] tf is this bullshit [02:59:30] crime is bad lowkey [03:00:09] it's good [03:01:58] only if it’s funny [03:08:33] this ^ [03:09:57] Anyways [03:10:10] bunny’s fault or discord’s [03:14:17] i blame google [03:14:22] guess i'll setup totp [03:14:49] (from #miraheze): [03:14:52] > VIỆT NAM DETECTED ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ [03:15:01] dullbird173: viet... nyam~ [03:15:14] ... [03:15:23] _sighs_ [03:15:27] K- [REDACTED] [03:15:38] :Bonk: [03:15:54] :Bonk: [03:16:59] anyways claire hows life [03:19:57] good [03:23:41] soviet un...nyam [03:24:32] :stare: [03:24:59] i'm glad you feel that way [03:25:16] Hello Elaina [03:25:24] oh no [03:25:52] i still got gender euphoria, but being addressed solely by my last name still feels kinda weird xD [03:26:20] mmmm [03:26:24] Ms Elaina? [03:26:39] slightly better [03:26:59] i'm not saying "don't do it" [03:27:09] it's just that... idk, last names are kinda weird for me :p [03:27:20] Alright [03:28:25] fuck yeah, android working :3 [03:28:34] Woo hoo [03:30:44] yoo memory bug [03:31:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340888258804187218/Screenshot_20250217-143033.png?ex=67b3ff01&is=67b2ad81&hm=38f25e62b32d8c2e89dbe00a9e805ecc913ca3a070d0978dadff698da3aa09ae& [03:32:27] [1/2] Gonna take some getting used to [03:32:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340888568918442074/image.png?ex=67b3ff4b&is=67b2adcb&hm=31f1ccdfd78ab9ac2807b669e67c8fba21f5f18ca65a8c356a07dc0786d9cc16& [03:33:25] heh xD [03:33:55] Wonder what’ll be next to change [03:34:23] New Tech Team? New GA, WR, maybe even a new Steward? [03:34:42] or maybe i’ll become a discord admin first lol [03:34:50] huh, what's the difference? [03:37:53] aliucord required some dev settings, and broke something else in my android [03:38:02] Discord Mods have very liberal permissions, but Admins have a few more perms and duties [03:38:02] so I was like naaah [03:38:12] on discord, they have the Administrator permission [03:38:39] which grants every single permission, bypasses any channel permission overrides and lets you see every channel [03:39:14] ah okay [03:39:15] Compared to Mods, thet have manage server permissions, so changing server properties and adding bots [03:39:34] Mods have manage channel, but that’s really for adding slowmode [03:40:24] We can use it for simple non controversial stuff no one complains, but Discord Admins should do things that need consensus and etc [03:40:51] ah okay ^_^ [03:40:59] (uhh where's the docs for bunny) [03:41:03] Also, Admins close elections for mods [03:41:08] Good question [03:41:39] If its not on the github maybe ask in their discord idrk [03:41:44] like wtf is an "unproxied plugin" [03:42:04] 10/10 docs [03:42:17] already feeling the insidious lack-of-public-documentation pull xD [03:42:29] ie <#1232418458856194170> [03:43:09] If someone is being an asshole in appealing we can also tell them to appeal to admins to have another rank tell then to shut up :wikipetan: [03:43:47] I was joking with running for admin since there isn’t really any need for it, just a hypothetical to represent something far off [03:44:04] ahaha xD [03:44:47] omg all the frigging docs is in discord [03:47:02] but yeah the mod team usually runs as a single thing [03:47:49] Sometimes I ping a red to press some buttons on a dashboard [03:48:40] > I don't know about tos [03:48:42] 10/10 plugin [03:48:53] Yes yes very good [03:49:08] :facepicard: [04:00:02] [1/2] https://vd-plugins.github.io/proxy/using-vendata-plugin-discord-crash-issue.pages.dev/ [04:00:02] [2/2] 10/10 plugin, would recommend [04:00:24] :Sippy: [04:00:37] Well for me this bunny or official [04:04:50] wtf is bunny like dead or something [04:05:46] No idea ngl [04:05:53] i got it from the vencord faq [04:06:13] true [04:07:46] Back to listening to derivakat covers [04:08:16] a:birdJAM: [04:09:55] [1/2] :3c [04:09:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340897995612229693/Screenshot_20250217-150940.png?ex=67b40812&is=67b2b692&hm=a7d6646a7b40db153bca281a62d5340fbb99b6737d4e4ee9472c0e3bf9486f7c& [04:10:13] Hell yea sister! [04:10:27] 🤝 [04:11:21] well, that's the best theme i can find [04:11:32] idk, kinda disappointed on how unmodded this is :p [04:11:54] omg cute [04:12:17] Does it not support plugins [04:12:21] it does [04:12:30] it's just that only 1/4 plugins work [04:12:34] Ah [04:12:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340898726029426751/Screenshot_20250217-151236.png?ex=67b408c0&is=67b2b740&hm=954fee2e0cc4fc2b33616a3bbeed897aa91def8e1ea38c8062d133fa2e56262b& [04:12:58] dev on mobile is hell, which leads to support on it being worse [04:14:01] The theme I like is one that looks like a terminal/irc [04:14:17] > Discord tries to protect you from getting scammed by “hiding” your token when you open DevTools, which means it deletes it from storage and only keeps it in memory in order to make it harder to obtain. [04:14:21] omg i wonder if i can test that [04:14:51] Really, hm [04:15:26] I do know opening dev console has a big ass warning [04:15:53] funny enough, i don't see a big ass warning [04:16:33] In browser or mobile [04:16:38] browser [04:17:03] Huh [04:18:09] [1/3] // this UserScript DOES NOT work on Firefox with Violentmonkey or Greasemonkey due to a bug that makes it impossible [04:18:10] [2/3] // to overwrite stuff on the window on sites that use CSP. Use Tampermonkey or use a chromium based browser [04:18:10] [3/3] // https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey/issues/997 [04:18:12] it's testing time [04:21:50] I love firefox [04:24:26] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmjUlFIaNLE&pp=ygUHdGhlbyB0Mw%3D%3D [04:25:03] oh speaking of theo [04:25:29] @blankeclair https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UdNjXF2TTvE [04:25:31] so turns out that it works anyway lol [04:25:42] You like code horror right [04:26:54] yeah [04:27:00] (still messing w/ vencord) [04:33:09] oh wtf is this bs [04:33:14] custom themes don't work because of csp [04:33:18] lemme try to see if stylus works [04:35:32] baaah [04:39:39] OwO [04:40:19] https://files.catbox.moe/b5ei7z.png [04:41:22] Embracing the IRC format? [04:41:30] yeah? i like compact :p [04:41:33] because... it's compact [04:41:37] Fair! [04:42:02] hhh fuck inlining everything is annoying [04:43:48] oh, claire in discord? [04:43:52] yeah, rare [04:43:55] is that a vencord background or KDE [04:44:02] and another bunny and ven user is here [04:44:04] it's from https://betterdiscord.app/theme/Frosted%20Glass [04:44:08] she caved >:) [04:44:19] oh no [04:44:27] ironically the day i start engaging in a new community on IRC [04:44:31] LMAO [04:44:36] yup [04:44:45] https://scoutlink.net [04:45:17] huh :3 [04:45:31] seriously [04:45:33] (/lh) [04:45:34] I’ve been wanting to engage more with Scouting stuff [04:45:59] i wonder [04:46:13] is there a tool that lets you inline image files in css [04:46:16] /banish @suzuneu #shadowrealm [04:47:08] ohno [04:47:12] Anyways [04:47:16] How ya been Waki [04:47:50] hai waki [04:47:57] fuck this i'm doing it manually [04:48:20] doing well, though lately I've been busy [04:48:47] SO REAL BESTIE [04:49:00] I have not been able to do like any dev work [04:49:39] 6 page essay on the reversal of the voter bases of the democratic and republican parties over the nineteenth century goes hard yo [04:49:50] Brandon has is much worse though [05:11:50] @blankeclair nini sonson [05:11:53] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340913591678664814/image.png?ex=67b41699&is=67b2c519&hm=8dd8f5b2c6291eb16e3b03c288d69ee95215258091e8de82f55e98759dcf008d& [05:11:55] nini~ [05:12:06] tfw even your phone tells you to sleep [05:12:07] Cya uh [05:12:11] later today og [05:12:15] oki ^_^ [05:12:17] ah no lol [05:12:20] Well kinda [05:12:31] i set it up to automatically have a sleep focus [05:12:35] ah okay [05:12:37] To not get notifications [05:12:44] and go to the eep wallpaper [05:12:52] eh close enough [05:13:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340913930121253026/image.png?ex=67b416e9&is=67b2c569&hm=30147278781534893b625b9fa950679a4d6d82c7686a6bafcc9ca064b0a9e346& [05:13:34] it does give me a notification 44 minutes before my set sleep time [05:13:40] I'M BACK. BOYS. [05:13:42] 44, oddly specific [05:13:49] huh [05:13:54] and girls :3 [05:14:06] (and enbies >:3c) [05:14:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340914232010473543/image.png?ex=67b41731&is=67b2c5b1&hm=9734a76b072f735cf8b61409e8bee88ef9ddfeb6558ad7864337e6d55cfd3552& [05:14:33] Hi Eclair. [05:14:39] Latheys and gentlethems [05:14:39] hello ^_^ [05:14:40] Glad to see you joined the civilised world. [05:14:43] omg lmao [05:14:46] haha xDD [05:14:56] No actually i think this is a downgrade for her [05:14:57] i'm dualwielding my clients [05:14:57] I'm on my lunch break. [05:15:01] /lh [05:15:01] Did I miss anything? [05:15:23] Back in my days. We could use those weird direct messaging apps on our laptop. [05:15:29] Or image board. [05:15:36] So discord is quite an upgrade. [05:15:51] Nostalgic and all but I hate those messaging programs. [05:15:57] Yahoo. Remember that? [05:16:49] what if we used escargo chat :3c [05:17:03] not really [05:17:36] Damn... [05:17:38] I'm old. [05:17:53] I'm not that old. [05:17:58] lmao xD [05:18:04] I'm only 22. [05:18:35] If I were a high ranking official. I'd convince all the hospital staff to use discord. [05:18:50] I hate using facebook messenger or twitter's message system. [05:18:55] Or any message system. Really. [05:19:29] I would not want my hospital to be using an app that mines as much data as discord [05:19:42] > [17/02/2025 16:18] If I were a high ranking official. I'd convince all the hospital staff to use discord. [05:19:51] who uses twitter for messages ... most fucked in this regard place ... [05:19:57] I mean. We don't even have a proper IT system for communication 99% of the time. [05:20:03] eh... [05:20:11] okay [05:20:13] Our universal method is relaying to dispatch the uniform. [05:20:15] lmao touche [05:20:21] Tbf you have a very low bar [05:20:27] Then dispatch tell the ER staff. [05:20:31] I’m a self host enthusiast so I would probably push for hosting an internal chat app to have control over your data [05:20:42] Dispatch once screwed up my patient document. [05:21:27] As someone who has a family member in a big company I am legitimately shocked how much of their confidential data they freely give away to other big tech [05:21:53] Like if Microsoft AI had a data breach they’d be so scree [05:22:15] Besides using teams AI alone is so much data they send [05:22:37] these giant companies always shock me that they don’t self host something ngl [05:22:48] to make sure their confidential data stays [05:22:51] ya know [05:22:56] confidential [05:23:10] what if we leaked the no fly list together 🥺 👉👈 [05:23:39] LMAO [05:23:47] maia cooked on that [05:24:11] I prefer public systems over in-house cause I had a patient bled out in my ambulance before cause the system crashed. [05:24:22] And the hospital couldn't admit them. [05:24:51] ah.. [05:26:08] Anyways.. im heading to sleep now [05:26:10] And also. Ambulances use a different system than most hospitals. [05:26:30] Private hospitals are notorious for not using standardised systems. [05:26:48] @blankeclair thank you again for the soju and web client thing :heart_bee: [05:26:55] you're welcome :3 [05:27:04] My ambulance comes equipped with a printer for a reason. [05:27:12] Physical copies are just better. [05:27:15] 🤣 [05:27:41] i'm also kinda scared on how much we entrust technology [05:27:48] it's like that xkcd on polling machines [05:28:33] Love it when the entire hospital slows down cause of IT system failure and some lunatic with a printer, pen and paper solves their problems. [05:28:36] https://xkcd.com/2030/ [05:28:38] dont think i know that one [05:28:51] true xD [05:29:16] HELP [05:33:50] But you know what technology cannot help us? [05:33:57] Or even physical documents? [05:34:08] no? [05:38:57] Human losing the documents. [05:39:00] ah [05:39:01] Physical or digital. [05:39:12] The amount of patient documents or paperwork that goes missing in healthcare. [05:39:17] Is comedically a lot. [05:39:23] oh god. [05:39:32] Misplaced? Missing? Damaged? Hell? Information are incorrect? [05:39:32] i guess all professions have their own unique horrors [05:39:34] Hell yeah!!! [05:39:58] My unique horror is sending my digital first aid report to a hospital system and their system gets delayed and prints the wrong one. [05:40:05] h- how?? [05:40:06] So they proceed to give my patient the wrong treatment. [05:40:15] It works like fax. [05:40:22] I draft a document on my laptop. [05:40:25] Send it to their system. [05:40:30] Their printer automatically prints it. [05:40:31] h [05:40:38] Sometime the printer queues up like 200 documents. [05:40:44] And the nurses don't check the names. [05:40:48] And well... Shit happens! [05:43:02] My supervisor once asked. [05:44:14] Why do I stay back with the patient? [05:44:32] Simple! To make sure my patient gets the right treatment! [05:47:01] jeez >_> [05:53:29] oh hey you’re on discord now [05:53:35] yeah ikr [05:53:48] >immediate response from IRC [05:54:06] :3 [05:54:24] there are a couple discord clients you can get [05:54:36] though obviously be aware of discord’s restrictions towards those [05:54:40] anyways [05:54:48] here is my latest funny toot https://mastodon.social/@GroupNebula563/114017664323961447 [05:54:57] Tldr: I love the lack of standardisation in the IT services! [05:54:59] saw the image from a friend but :3 [05:55:08] Somebody tell ISO organisation to get involved. [05:55:17] oh who doesn’t [05:55:23] It was sarcasm. [05:56:11] I love having to fax documents only for the fax machine to reject my fax cause it doesn't like the file extension! [05:56:13] it’s sorta a love hate relationship for me, I thought you meant just with computers in general [05:56:21] Oh. Computers wise. I'm cool. [05:56:30] But as an EMT. I hate it with a passion. [05:56:44] I still use paper and pens to write my patient diagnosis. [05:56:49] watching vinny vinesauce still, he was just playing DOOM on a PDF [05:56:52] While also having a digital copy. [05:57:01] Paper and pens save lives [05:59:45] https://bsky.app/profile/hg5beta.bsky.social/post/3libhsctars2x [07:50:43] [1/2] For IRC users >:( [07:50:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1340953562959581205/Screenshot_20250216_235019_Discord.jpg?ex=67b43bd3&is=67b2ea53&hm=4b32be334bc209e028f08774a619c27da16c58bea11474f2abee44a4db22912a& [07:50:59] /never had galaxy/ [07:51:38] I think the only Samsung phone I had was E900 [07:52:33] I use it [07:53:28] Anyways irc users since yall can't see polls you gotta send the message to vote [09:43:11] why are you angry at IRC users [09:43:38] though I do agree the relay (I believe it’s just a fork of an open source thing) should add in poll support [09:43:39] They can't see mah polls... [09:44:00] well I mean that’s not something to be angry at them about [09:44:12] if anything it’s the bridge folks [09:44:15] hey [09:44:25] maybe you could do a PR with poll support [09:44:27] this bridge comes with absolutely no warranty [09:47:05] what about even the implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose [09:47:55] you know you use too many open source things when you can just recite that by heart [09:51:27] can't even guarantee it boots or lacks the ability to spontaneously combust devices it appears on [10:37:24] how does wiki copyright work [10:37:40] does it only apply to original stuff in the wiki [10:37:44] and not the wiki itself [10:40:44] [1/2] everything unless stated otherwise [10:40:44] [2/2] copyrighted images aren't part of wiki's CCBYSA licence, for example [10:41:21] fandom wikis can be forked and stay online on the grounds of CCBYSA license [10:41:54] you can copy, repost and change the content as long as you credit the source of that content [11:55:33] [1/9] [[mw:Copyright]], [[w:Copyright]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Copyright]] have you covered, if you want to have the full explanation. [11:55:33] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright [11:55:33] [2/9] But the short version is... [11:55:34] [3/9] * MediaWiki is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation. [11:55:34] [4/9] * Everything on the wikipages is copyrighted. the license can be found at the bottom of the page in the "footer" [11:55:34] [5/9] * Most wikis are licensed under CC-BY-SA which means: You have to attribute the authors of the content, and you need to share it under the same license. [11:55:34] [6/9] * Some wiki's can have variants on this, like No commercial use allowed (NC), or the content may not be altered (ND). [11:55:35] [7/9] * Few are completely copyrighted, and cannot be used. [11:55:35] [8/9] As Legroom stated: In principle, everything is copyrighted unless otherwise stated. This goes for everything on the internet. [11:55:35] [9/9] If you have specific questions, you can ask me. [11:55:36] [1/3] [11:55:36] [2/3] [11:55:37] [3/3] [12:02:10] thanks [14:02:51] Nah [14:03:04] Not worth it, and near impossible to implement without spamming [14:03:17] Forwarded message support would be nice [14:51:17] oddly enough, the [fisch wiki](https://fischipedia.org/wiki/Fisch_Wiki) is an outlying example of a wiki where the text is copyrighted and not freely licensable [14:51:36] Is it? [14:51:38] yup [14:51:43] I thought it was NC or smt [14:51:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1341059561213394984/image.png?ex=67b49e8b&is=67b34d0b&hm=76be8d1609ae979dfe5c39945f8134b0ce3f735ed124bd7c357d52c88f82fecf& [14:52:07] NC is still freely licensable [14:52:32] How do you ARR a wiki [14:52:35] That doesn’t make sense [14:52:51] Each contributor fully reserves the right to their edits [14:53:34] [1/2] That’s like having to keep track of who owns each color of sand in this [14:53:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1341059977846194176/image0.jpg?ex=67b49eee&is=67b34d6e&hm=69e8cfa703c21e08b237a130bd001898fab7cdc12896b67a27a4fd60dc222dfa& [14:53:46] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [14:54:00] [1/2] jumping in but somebody thought this was peak [14:54:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1341060087464329258/image.png?ex=67b49f08&is=67b34d88&hm=7115b96bb69e36847d613765b2ffa89e0c67873cd6f0304459a9a9fb3237252e& [14:54:06] I mean, I made my sandbox wiki public domain lol [14:59:44] Hi PixDeVl [15:00:03] bonjur PixDeVl: [15:00:14] *pixldev: [15:00:20] Gaaaa [15:02:45] Anyways [15:02:47] Lock in [15:02:48] Essay [15:16:25] Not if the wiki determines that all edits are copyrighted to the wiki [15:16:37] Slightly better [15:16:46] But who is “the wiki” [15:16:55] The community [15:17:26] I don’t think collective consensus flies as a method of ownership actioning in a court of law [15:17:47] In fact it does [15:18:07] Everything is copyrighted "Unless otherwise indicated" [15:19:38] [1/3] It's the same with Facebook for example or Instagram. [15:19:38] [2/3] You can write that you own the copyright of your images. [15:19:38] [3/3] But the second you upload them, you waver that as their policy states it differently [15:20:33] We cannot use images from Facebook or Instagram as they are on Facebook and copyrighted [15:23:16] [1/2] I have my wiki under cc-by-nc [15:23:16] [2/2] That means no one can use anything to make commercial gains with it, unless they take images that are licensed as cc-by-sa. [15:24:46] Had I chosen (c)all rights reserved, nothing would be allowed to be reused. [15:25:20] reject free all your copyright is belong to me [15:25:44] ?? [15:26:14] starting to think copyright is made up by Big Copyright to make everyones lives harder [15:26:25] canyada: gets it [15:26:45] a hoax peddled by Big Copyright to sell more copyright, or something [15:26:53] sell more copyright lawyers [15:27:24] It was actually created to protect people from stealing their work [15:27:43] but it also only works if u actually have the money to enforce it [15:28:34] I love money [15:28:58] Unless I don’t have it [15:29:01] Then it sucsk! [15:29:15] true! [15:29:44] [[w:Copyright]] [[w:Wikipedia:Copyright]] [15:29:44] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright [15:29:45] [1/2] [15:29:46] [2/2] [15:30:11] IRC bouncer is funky [15:31:01] Maybe if I don’t specify which client name I’m using? [15:31:03] Let’s see [15:31:18] yeah [15:31:21] blah [15:34:14] Okay yeah it sort of works now [15:36:10] i <3 irc [15:36:32] [1/2] can a "wiki" actually own copyright though [15:36:32] [2/2] i was under the impression that copyright had to belong to a human person [15:36:42] It can [15:37:16] Well [15:37:34] No one human owns Disney copyright, it's own by the company [15:37:37] Better still... No one has to put any license on their wiki. It will automatically be copyrighted. [15:37:45] Booooooooooooooooo [15:37:55] canyada: Or did you mean a legal person [15:38:03] [[w:legal person]] [15:38:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/legal_person [15:38:14] ok well i was thinking abt the cases where a dog or monkey accidentally takes a photo [15:38:41] and those were judged to be free use because the copyright holder was the animal who isnt a human and therefore cant own copyright [15:38:47] There is a case file, where a Photographer lost the case against a monkey indeed [15:39:22] He couldn't claim copyright as he didn't take the picture [15:39:41] But animals can't claim copyright [15:39:49] So it fell in Public domain [15:40:29] ergo even if copyright belongs to a company, it technically belongs to the people who own the company, no? [15:40:55] Not if the compagny hired them [15:41:13] No it belongs to the company [15:41:54] canyada: Thats exactly why AI generated content is, at least under current legal precedent, Public Domain [15:42:05] omg did u watch that dougdoug video too [15:42:56] Disney Studios, Universal, Pixar.. .all these companies own the rights to the work that is made, not the creators in that compagny [15:43:35] im not saying the creators of the company, im saying the CEO and shareholders and whatever [15:44:07] But if I take a picture of a Graffity tag, I am not allowed to produce a coffee cup and sell it. As I do not own that stupid tag. [15:44:23] Not even them [15:44:43] canyada: uuuh don't think so? [15:45:21] On the other hand, the "Little Mermaid" Sculpture in Copenhagen, is copyright protected. And it's copyright is owned by the family of the sculpture, who registered as such. [15:45:57] It is not allowed to be commercially used. [15:47:05] right so the part i dont get is how a "company" can own copyright, when its just as much "not a human" as a monkey [15:47:55] if i create something and sign a legal contract to transfer that copyright to the company employing me, thats a valid thing, but i dont imagine i can do the same thing transferring copyright i own to a dog? [15:48:09] [1/2] Take this one from Efteling. [15:48:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1341073715076534302/GjxSm5IXYAEyU9u.jpeg?ex=67b4abb9&is=67b35a39&hm=0a3632181b3fc6f3455c8f4b172677b8f329556880716b05791416634038dfcc& [15:48:20] Efteling owns the copyright [15:48:59] [1/2] Not the CEO, nor the sculpture. [15:48:59] [2/2] It is registered at the copyright office in name of Efteling. [15:49:48] [1/2] So someone went there and registered the statue in name of... [15:49:48] [2/2] Same goes for Disney, Pixar, etc [15:50:20] Copyright is weird [15:51:37] [1/3] An animal can't go to the office and state, I am the copyright owner. [15:51:38] [2/3] Nor can a company as such, but the representative of that company can. [15:51:38] [3/3] Wether that is the CEO, or a clerk, doesn't matter. [15:52:13] but for that copyright to be enforced someone who has to hire a copyright lawyer and who presumably has some authority within that organization [15:52:45] Not even, today all that is done online nowadays [15:53:08] yeah so in the end the copyright doesnt technically belong to the company, it belongs to certain people representing the company, which changes if someone else takes the position [15:53:40] Yes it does - I know it's weird - but in legal terms, the company owns that license [15:54:09] Let me do this differently [15:55:17] [1/2] When you get married, you are married by a office worker. He signs off that you are married. [15:55:17] [2/2] He files the paper. But you are married by the City Hall, or the Church, etc. [15:55:32] (It might be different in other countries) [15:55:45] hmmmm [15:56:19] Or donations [15:56:50] A company donates 10.000$ - But it is done by an employee. [15:57:28] A bakery sells cakes. But it's the baker who makes it. But he's not credited as such [15:57:41] (Unless otherwise stated) [15:57:49] It's quite common [15:59:02] yea i guess [15:59:14] Think a clothing company. They sell, but it's Armany that owns the copyright to that brand, eventhough they are produced in China (or India) [15:59:32] Or Miraheze even [15:59:47] The WikiTide Foundation buys new servers, or applies for a grant [16:00:09] But the person filing the paperwork is Not, or Alpha, or Labster or James [16:00:27] to me copyright as asserted by individuals on the internet with no legal documents backing it up just seems more like a unspoken social rule than anything, like the social rule to be generally nice to people you talk to [16:01:02] It’s technically legally binding [16:01:09] Technically, a contract doesn’t have to be written [16:01:25] You can enter into a mutually legally binding agreement by spoken words alone [16:01:41] But that’s much harder to prove in a court and is therefore much more flimsy [16:02:07] Please read [[w:Copyright]] [16:02:07] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright [16:02:08] [16:02:24] but its often unlikely to be enforced in any serious way, like when its art that gets stolen and resold on merch websites, the best you can do is hope the website host cares and will take it down [16:03:39] Well typically [16:03:41] [1/2] I ones uploaded a wall painting on the street to commons wikimedia. [16:03:41] [2/2] It was imediately taken down, as I don't have the copyright of it. (That was 15 years ago or so [16:04:08] Thought that streetpaintings were public domain. It was not 😄 [16:04:14] You could go the legal route, or depending on how competent they are going to someone higher in the food chain lmao [16:04:17] I had a lot to learn then [16:05:18] https://youtu.be/A-IJ5QmeXpk?si=yOstuNJrAKW1oJBs [16:05:20] But Copyright can differ from country to country as well. [16:05:38] Related to copyright bullshit, done, not right [16:06:35] Stamps from one country can be uploaded without any problem, whereas they are protected in another country [16:07:33] Same with Freedom of Panorama. Belgium and Denmark do not have Freedom of panorama. Hence sculptures and buildings are copyright protected there. But not in the Netherlands [16:08:05] Just the rules for Commons Wikimedia alone are a maze to get through [16:09:18] [1/2] Take a look here: [16:09:18] [2/2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory [16:09:21] actually is there a specific part of the wikipedia page i should look at, ive read through it and i already mostly know all of it [16:09:33] (the copyright page i mean) [16:10:04] Yeah take a look at the one I just send above ⬆️ [16:13:02] [1/6] Even this: [16:13:02] [2/6] * The place where the work was created; [16:13:02] [3/6] * The place where the work is being uploaded from; [16:13:03] [4/6] * The place that any web server the work has been downloaded from physically is; [16:13:03] [5/6] This can determine if you can upload it or not. [16:13:03] [6/6] You might not be able to upload it in Belgium, but you could perhaps in the US. But then again, if it was taken in the Germany it might not after all 😛 [16:13:33] yeah i think this is just my autistic showing, that i dont like to accept rules "just because" [16:13:49] I know the feeling [16:14:14] I have had debates with those commons people ... trying to wrap my head around it [16:14:30] But after 15 years I have a good grasp on it [16:14:54] I can still make mistakes though 😮 [16:15:16] And there are cases where I need to ask. [16:18:03] @rodejong one point of order [16:18:16] You retain ownership of IP you upload to Facebook [16:18:31] You absolutely can license it under a CC license that would be permitted on wiki [16:18:44] > You retain ownership of the intellectual property rights (things such as copyright or trademarks) in any such content that you create and share on Facebook and other that you use. Nothing in these Terms takes away the rights you have to your own content. You are free to share your content with anyone else, wherever you want. [16:19:12] [1/2] > Specifically, when you share, post or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights on or in connection with our Products, you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free and worldwide licence to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate and create derivative works of your content (consistent with you [16:19:12] [2/2] r and settings). [16:19:25] Essentially Meta can do whatever they want [16:19:37] But you can still license it to someone else yourself [16:20:28] Yeah that is a farce. As the latter half is the binding agreement, and the first part is absolutely overuled by the second part 😄 [16:20:44] I hate meta [16:20:50] The first part is just a sweet keeper [16:20:56] me too [16:20:58] Meta aren't doing anything that we don't do there [16:21:00] law is stinky and bad and confusing [16:21:06] lets go back to cavemen [16:21:08] You grant Miraheze a license to use your content [16:21:13] It's a bit less broad [16:21:24] Becomes worse now that they are in cahoots with Trump [16:21:34] implied [16:21:41] But you can upload an image uploaded to Facebook to a Miraheze wiki if you are person who owns the license [16:21:57] Meta don't take over the IP when you upload to Facebook [16:22:14] It's not just a sweet keeper. It's perfectly enforceable. [16:22:42] Meta can't stop you doing anything you want with a photo you upload to Facebook [16:22:55] That's not what I meant [16:23:14] I was refering to having full control of your IP [16:23:31] You don't when you upload to Facebook [16:23:38] It's how this bit you said reads to me [16:23:46] They can even use it to make advertisements [16:23:50] Yup, that's correct [16:23:58] They can do what the hell the like with it basically [16:24:06] indeed [16:24:27] Dinner time [16:24:37] CUL8er [16:24:43] Also I'd question whether a wiki can own IP rights [16:24:46] A company can [16:24:49] A person can [16:24:55] But a wiki isn't a legal entity. [16:25:06] The community of the wiki can [16:25:11] It would be very hard to work out exactly who had the rights to enforce anything [16:25:21] thats true [16:25:28] exactlyyy i wasnt crazy for being confused [16:25:39] I'm not sure you can assign IP rights to a community of a wiki [16:25:47] Unless it's a legal entity [16:26:18] Or I think at a minimum that would be complex paperwork to work out exactly who was legally in charge [16:26:43] You retain IP rights over anything you do on most Miraheze wikis [16:26:59] Unless it's one of the ones that are all rights reserved, you should pay close attention to them [16:27:27] like weird gloop are legal entity behind runescape wikis? [16:27:40] Yup [16:27:52] You could assign IP rights to Weird Gloop easily [16:27:59] Because that's a legal entity [16:28:14] I think it would be hard to assign IP to the runescape wikis though [16:28:48] Not nessecairly impossible, but probably worth getting a patent attorney to look over the idea [16:38:01] Well they’re separating I think, fairly sure RS wikis will have their own legal reps [16:38:13] Minecraft Wikis have been represented by Block & Quill [17:01:20] You need to be an individual or legal entity to hold IP rights in the US generally, yes. [17:02:47] The earlier Qs about the 'owners of a company' can get a bit weird, depending on the type of organization and any existing contractual agreements. [17:04:30] IP law in general is weird [17:04:37] Although quite dull [17:08:24] Wonder if Ace Attorney would make it less dull? [20:49:38] gay [20:58:44] ? [21:01:41] Testing my bouncers message playback [21:01:59] Cool [21:10:00] gay [23:22:15] :you: [23:53:45] [1/2] 🔥 ? 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