[00:05:21] Fandom sold Giant Bomb 💀 [00:05:34] And my xbox controller got stick drift 😦 [00:55:07] Good, Fandom would've run it into the ground otherwise. [00:55:31] I was happy when they sold off D&D; Beyond too. [00:56:06] I assume TVGuide will probably be next [00:56:50] I hope Metacritic dies though tbh, never liked that website. [00:57:24] GameSpot needs to be sold off, sooner than later. [00:58:17] Nah, pretty sure they only bought all of the companies for GameSpot and Metacritic [00:58:21] unlikely they'll ever sell those [00:59:59] I wonder if they'd want to sell off the Gamepedia branding yet or not. They can't hold onto it forever. [01:09:35] why can't they? [01:38:22] Was ComicVine involved in that sell? [01:38:27] I use it for research a lot [01:59:58] Well, there may be no legal limit for a businesses IPs, there is a way for someone to fight ownership away from the company on question if the IP has been unused or the business hasn't been protecting that IP etc. [02:00:54] Eventually they'll stop using it. They only ever reference Gamepedia in their tech update posts now to differentiate the infrastructural differences. [02:01:23] They don't use the logos or media from Curse LLC or Gamepedia LLC anywhere officially. [02:02:02] Gamepedia isn't a registered trademark anyway, so. [02:02:09] There's not much to protect [02:03:00] No, ComicVine is a part of GameSpot [02:18:34] [1/3] @manster_. this you from #wikiteam on irc? [02:18:35] [2/3] > [11/05/2025 04:33] I used the wikiteam3 tool to make a backup of my wiki. It did not work for the images, it saved only a few of the 4k pictures. Any help? Wiki is https://handhelds.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [02:18:35] [3/3] if so, i'm currently dumping the wiki for you lol [02:46:22] why no make this multi choice :( [02:51:54] This won’t be decided by a poll obviously, I think it should go on #discord-forums once we actually get access to the feature [03:06:54] If we can do 5 characters(think we can, @asko1 has "fisch") I may propose WIKIS plural [04:31:27] HEZE [04:41:34] HEHE [05:20:03] HAEZ [05:25:04] should i try to add a base64 encoder to scribunto? [05:25:12] or is that too specific of a usecase [05:26:00] [1/2] the pure lua one OOMs on 2 MB of data [05:26:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1370995338420293763/1746941158041.png?ex=68218668&is=682034e8&hm=98a6cf30c0e2cc1a96ff8eb5a919bd57e66fd968b5a85ed3f4062a313c006a83& [05:30:52] cc @rhinosf1 x3 [08:13:25] [1/2] one must go looking for weird 2-letter characters [08:13:25] [2/2] the fi in fisch is some greek ligament or smth [08:35:00] then that's what they'll do [08:35:22] wheel out gamepedia as an example or a branding trick or whatever they need to do to hold on [08:35:40] never underestimate the business desire to hold on to a brand, look no further than mickey mouse [08:36:01] Yeah, but Fandom isn't as smart as Disney, not by a long shot. [08:37:52] perhaps not, but do not be surprised whatsoever to see antics to hang on [08:38:05] they're already hoarding stuff [08:38:25] paid good money to call themselves GB even if they've assimilated it into the borg [10:11:10] BlankEclair: woo, there is a thunderstorm risk today! [10:11:17] oooh, spicy~ [10:11:37] Only a 5-20% risk [10:11:44] But thunderstorms cool [10:11:48] Especially round here [10:11:55] Lightning hitting the water is loud [10:27:59] https://blahaj.zone/notes/a7mdooplhjs10h2t [10:54:33] ...girlpill or linuxpill................ difficult choices [11:00:17] https://www.prideclothes.com/cdn/shop/products/unisex-staple-t-shirt-white-front-62cb5561daadc.jpg [11:03:01] [1/2] OH GOD THE BURN [11:03:01] [2/2] https://www.prideclothes.com/cdn/shop/products/unisex-staple-t-shirt-white-front-6375c6bc583b4.jpg [11:03:17] bisexual but still cant choose [11:03:34] aggressively bisexual finger guns [11:23:35] [1/2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-budget-calls-for-stranding-nasas-mars-samples-on-the-red-planet/ [11:23:35] [2/2] bleh [11:56:12] Sorry this channel wasn't in my channel list [11:56:20] Thanks for pointing it out [12:44:28] I don't necessarily think they had any intention of using the Gamepedia brand, they wanted it gone, that was the whole point, they needed the competition to go away and purchasing and hiding that brand was the easiest way than actually make a product people want to use. [16:15:26] I've always hated Twitch, when they sold Curse Media LLC I hated it even more. [16:16:06] Exactly, the only reason they bought them out was because they were doing so much better than Wikia was doing, and they had vital partnerships and contracts with developers of games. [16:16:25] I think all those partnerships and contracts are far gone now, so was it really worth it Fandom? [16:25:19] [1/2] smartest scammers guys ( @pixldev ur the only discord mod I see online if u wanna ban them this my 1 mutual server with em) [16:25:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1371161259923472577/vcp8aYa.png?ex=682220ef&is=6820cf6f&hm=482baa90581a232dd445fe5cd7ccbaea688b0dd91ccecb91561f1b2f5adde06a& [16:25:32] 1352885678857523240 btw [16:35:22] Yes [16:35:33] Because they eliminated a large portion of their competition [16:37:30] @barbara_dy7212520_24553 is a scammer. Block on sight. [16:39:18] Well, Wiki.gg is quickly replacing that hole, and I'd say with the performance and tech improvements here so is Mitaheze. [16:39:57] Fandom tried so hard to kill Gamepedia, they forgot that the former staff could just simply make a new platform. [16:40:18] Haha, so I was not the only would-be-victim! [16:40:35] I don't even know just what that bozo was trying to achieve. [16:40:46] they get you to add a fake "discord support" acc [16:40:52] then change ur email to their one for "verification" [16:40:54] and steal ur acc [16:41:00] Of course. Predictable. [16:41:01] ...thats the nature of business, you eliminate one competitor and another takes its place [16:41:04] basically u gotta have negative braincells to fall for it [16:41:27] Wiki.gg is just fandom with a different name [16:41:36] Same amount of restrictions just a different skin [16:41:39] I wouldn't compare it to Fandom. [16:41:53] Fandom is soul selling, and Wiki.gg is something better. [16:41:59] Marginal [16:42:08] It would be more akin to what Wikia was, before they sold to TPG Capital. [16:42:12] What does wiki.gg do that Fandom doesn't? [16:42:35] [1/3] - you still only get 1 skin [16:42:35] [2/3] - you still have largely the same extensions [16:42:35] [3/3] - you have no mobile skin [16:42:47] Same as https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1371161259923472577/vcp8aYa.png?ex=682220ef&is=6820cf6f&hm=482baa90581a232dd445fe5cd7ccbaea688b0dd91ccecb91561f1b2f5adde06a& ? [16:43:07] I don’t like to ban with so little info as these cases, will see in a bit [16:43:16] 100% [16:43:33] When that Barbara tried to scam me, she removed all messages after blocking me [16:43:39] I was about to start swearing at her in Hindi [16:44:51] [1/2] HAHAHA THEY BLOCKED AND DELETED WITHIN 30 SECONDS OF ME CALLING THEM A SCAMMER [16:44:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1371166174527623300/QN6st5J.png?ex=68222583&is=6820d403&hm=65e8507de9334f2e445f2065da7f3fb9de4d240f966867b4ff69bf9ce0549659& [16:44:53] Wiki.gg doesn't shove advertisements in your face, they actually allow wikis to move not just fork and keep the content, they have actual quality standards which raise the perceived quality of the platform, they have one on one support for making and customising skins for new and forking wikis, they provide way more updated and useful CSS styles, templates, modules and more, etc. [16:44:56] absolute peak [16:45:36] Wiki.gg is nothing like Fandom. Because Fandom only exists to be a parasitic entity on the wiki community. [16:45:47] Calm it folks [16:45:59] No need to get so worked up over something to routine [16:46:24] icl I accidentally had caps lock on and just decided to stick with it [16:47:09] Lol they literally split the content area and put ads even more in your face [16:47:44] So, you think the ads on both are equal then? [16:47:50] [1/2] But yeah totally not shoving them in your face lol [16:47:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1371166925509361855/Screenshot_20250511_174733_Discord.jpg?ex=68222636&is=6820d4b6&hm=fabdc82ce82d88e2cf54b3ec4d8b228c959fb75174ae87e15939b0c7af7c0075& [16:48:14] Theyre on par [16:49:49] Did you get any malware popups while you were there? [16:50:18] Never had a malware pop up on Fandom [16:50:31] I mean, with those two advertisement spots I'm sure you would've found something. I mean honestly what's two adverts vs ten+. [16:51:17] Do you like Wiki.gg? Seems like you don't. [16:53:36] Whether I like it or not is nothing to do with it; but I just don't buy into it when people say its objectively better, when it isn't. [16:53:42] I've had many many reports from users recently of getting malware advertisements from Fandom, and some of these users are kids who only really use Discussions. [16:53:47] Its the same platform with marginally less ads and the same restrictions. [16:53:59] Discussions doesn't have ads so thats realistix. [16:54:03] That's a flawed position. [16:54:20] Thats your opinion, to which you are entitled. [16:54:22] I never said they saw the ads on discussions. [17:00:02] I could say the same about Telepedia, just without the adverts. [17:00:28] _looks at ManageWiki_ [17:01:22] I see, so all you need to not be comparable is to have ManageWiki. [17:01:49] Well, Wiki.gg has its own solution to that problem, so don't worry there. [17:02:06] That isnt what i said? Your comparing a platform that allows admins to install any extension they want and any skin, with one that restricts you to 1 skin and a predefined set of extensions [17:02:24] I've seen malware ads on perfectly reputable sites that have tiny amounts of ads recently tbh [17:02:31] But im not arguing about it anymore because clearly people arent allowed to have opinions where you're concerned [17:02:39] And you're comparing a megalithic corporation to a company run by a publishing game and a few staff. [17:03:07] Advertising platforms can be little shits at times [17:03:15] No, I'm comparing the platform. Big difference. [17:03:22] I didn't say that, but if you want to that's fine. [17:03:54] Can we maybe take a chill pill? [17:04:09] As have I, but Fandom has been very loose and crappy with their ad partners for a long time. [17:05:30] Fandom are crappy with a lot of things [17:05:36] Or we wouldn't have 14,000 wikis [17:05:37] my experience of trying to help a wiki forking from fandom to wiki.gg wasn't stellar [17:06:03] i wouldn't largely discourage forking to wiki.gg but personally i won't recommend it [17:06:15] I mean, they have a few staff right now so it'll take longer. [17:06:21] same amount of limitations [17:06:24] don't say that you'll get shot for having an opnion! [17:06:29] But it's generally a viable option. [17:06:44] Having so many extensions on offer can be a pain in the ass at times [17:07:02] From a technical perspective [17:07:06] I wouldn't recommend ShoutWiki because it's a bit older and slower, but it doesn't mean it isn't a viable option either. [17:07:14] I can fully understand limiting some of the stuff you offer [17:07:20] Yeah but we did remove loads before OrangeStar left [17:07:30] Oh yeah, that's why Wiki.gg currently doesn't offer more than one skin. [17:07:34] We still have over 300 extensions [17:07:45] A single skin is probably more about brand [17:07:48] Wiki.gg will support more skins in the future when they have more staff to maintain the infrastructure. [17:08:04] Right now it's just alex4401. [17:08:04] Skins aren't that complex [17:08:24] They like having things maintained in-house for security and whatnot. [17:08:33] Not all the time though. [17:08:36] That's a reasonable argument [17:08:46] Miss you BaseTemplate [17:09:15] I don't think we probably should be as flexible as we are with extensions and skins [17:09:33] Because we simply can't provide the level of testing and assurance it needs to avoid things randomly breaking [17:09:34] Although there's not much you can't customise or do with Vector already. If people want other options there's always JS in the meantime. [17:09:45] It's not like Wiki.gg forces you to keep the Vector layout. [17:09:51] when i asked about possibility of mobile mode or adding other core skins options i almost got yelled at lol [17:10:04] I mean you shouldn't be yelled at for asking [17:10:09] That's just basic decent [17:10:11] For whom? [17:10:31] key word almost [17:10:37] they really didn't like me [17:10:42] Who didn't. [17:10:59] it's been in 2023 man i don't remember their staff names [17:11:19] I'm assuming you're talking about wiki.gg? [17:11:51] customizing legacy vector to fit mobile feels rancid [17:11:57] Well, the staff has changed slightly since 2023. The project is run by different people now. [17:12:08] the amount of css i saw on some wikis is just - why [17:12:15] They'll probably allow Vector 2022 eventually. [17:12:32] I mean, the Minecraft Wiki runs on Legacy Vector. And they made the skin look good. [17:12:44] Granted that was with Weird Gloop. [17:13:11] oh now remembered someone was fired w/o explanations [17:13:27] ain't trusting them man [17:13:28] RedeemTheD3ad. [17:13:40] I'm not sure what happened, but yeah he left. [17:13:50] he didn't leave, he was fired. [17:14:10] He was asked to leave, but it's the same thing in that instance. [17:14:19] Same with pcj. [17:14:39] I don't know what happened with Redeem, but I know why pcj was fired. [17:14:49] lmao [17:14:50] Why can't these thunderstorms move quicker? I'd like a little show [17:14:51] I thought PCJ left on his own? [17:15:01] Nope, he was asked to leave too. [17:15:08] At least thats what they made it seem like when they announced his departure [17:15:23] Yeah, because of why he was fired. [17:15:26] so a chunk of founders aren't there anymore [17:15:37] Which makes me think what Redeem was fired for must've been minor. [17:15:43] The difference between asked to leave and fired is mostly semantics [17:15:56] totally not suspicious [17:15:57] Now im curious lol [17:15:59] One looks better on your record than the other. [17:16:08] If it's documented of course. [17:16:29] Like, you'll never be fired from McDonald's, but you won't be scheduled for shifts. You have to resign yourself. [17:16:37] Companies will still ask for references. You can say a lot by not saying things. [17:16:54] At least in Australia that's how McDonald's does things. [17:17:08] Yeah. [17:17:14] That's also cause it's a pain in the ass to fire people [17:17:22] Easier to piss you off into leaving [17:17:25] Unless it's America [17:18:04] Also if you've worked there 2 years it saves them potential tribunal [17:18:08] (If the UK obv) [17:18:18] Yes [17:18:25] America's employment law is basically you're hired unless you do something we don't like, then you're fired. Well, in most states. [17:18:27] Which is why a lot of UK companies will just make your work life hell before they resott to firing [17:18:37] Working in an at will state is mind crushing, I hated it. [17:18:58] You fire someone and then you wanna make damm well sure that you've got your ducks in a row [17:19:15] Or you're going to a tribunal and it ain't going well here [17:19:36] I wonder how many tribunals Fandom has had, I can imagine lots. [17:19:48] They're American so probably none [17:19:55] I wonder if Curse LLC had any either. [17:19:56] Cause workers rights are a lot less there [17:20:08] They're basically nonexistent now. [17:20:34] Also literally just search the court records for the last 8 years https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions [17:20:41] Makes me happy that I can have amazing workers rights in Australia, but in America I can get fired for walking down the sidewalk to get a burger. [17:22:15] What do you think would've happened if WikiTide didn't offer to merge with Miraheze. [17:22:45] i don't wanna think about it [17:22:57] im glad those days are far behind [17:23:30] still on miraheze, still chilling [17:23:39] In the end, with what I saw, those who went with WikiTide ultimately won when they came back in control. [17:24:22] Never really liked the old Miraheze leadership, they were careless. [17:24:32] If we hadn't have merged back with WikiTide then we wouldn't exist [17:25:07] We were ceasing operations [17:25:25] I remember, I had to move a wiki of mine to wiki.gg. [17:25:56] I think the WikiTide board have things they can do better too [17:26:38] From what I've seen, everything is better under WikiTide. What do you think? [17:27:50] I think it's lacking in a strategy or any kind of long term plan [17:28:23] Well, what strategy or plan do you think we should have. [17:29:30] I mean from a technical perspective there's no plan or goals anymore really [17:29:30] I mean, wouldn't the long term plan just be expanding services, improving service reliability and growing in size? [17:29:37] that's very top level [17:29:51] You need some knowledge of how you're going to achieve things [17:30:03] What people are working on [17:30:13] Whose taking ownership of things [17:30:30] There's no direction really [17:31:38] Who actually legally owns Miraheze and WikiTide, is it the board? [17:31:45] Yes [17:32:07] The T&S transparency report hasn't been seen ever too, the finance page is way out of date [17:33:15] It feels quite often like it's still ran like labster's bank account is funding it and we're running on a couple of Ramnode VMs that could run just as well in someone's basement [17:33:42] When actually we're now responsible for 14,000 wikis and serve over a billion requests a month [17:33:57] Things have an impact now [17:34:24] Well, they had an impact even back in 2020, when they killed a db cluster. [17:34:59] And have we learnt much? [17:35:01] How come you didn't run for board? [17:35:07] Perhaps. [17:36:05] Because work has a lot of rules about external appointments [17:36:17] And also I'm busy enough [17:37:34] Isn't Aracham on the board. [17:37:47] @notaracham hello elite Director person guy. [17:37:50] @notaracham is [17:37:52] NotAracham is, and they are Secretary and Director, T&S [17:38:22] Can you make me the acting director for ten seconds. [17:38:27] Nah [17:38:34] :AYAYAcry: [17:38:40] My dreams are crushed. [17:38:58] Cheer up, you've got the wiki reviewer trenches to look forward to in a mere 24 hours [17:39:02] Aracham, what's your goal and long-term plan for WikiTide. [17:39:32] I'll wake up and see -10 point comments. [17:39:47] Good thing it isn't a vote, only advisory [17:40:48] When do we get free Donuts on WikiTide Fridays. [17:43:01] [1/6] Complicated to answer in discord text (and my time is limited this morning) but biggest short-to-mid term objectives I'd like to see: [17:43:01] [2/6] * Opening up more avenues of funding (underway) [17:43:01] [3/6] * Better redundancy on the technical side of things (progress made here but more to do) [17:43:01] [4/6] * More documentation and standardization of operations! Plenty to do in this domain. [17:43:02] [5/6] * Simplified onboarding of new wiki administrators (ManageWiki overhaul is already a start, but there's more we could do here) [17:43:02] [6/6] * Reach a level of stable funding where we could afford a part-time paid tech person to push development forward/improve stability [17:45:31] Have you talked to universities and colleges about using Miraheze for hosting documentation wikis for student studies and other alike projects. I wonder what that might yield. [17:45:35] [1/4] There's also the less concrete stuff that could take several forms, e.g. ... [17:45:35] [2/4] * creating more content for external engagement/awareness - Youtube tutorial channel maybe? [17:45:35] [3/4] * Identify and launch new projects under the wikitide banner beyond MH [17:45:36] [4/4] * Look at beneficial grants in the wiki-space (if we were ever so lucky to have that much room in budgets to afford) [17:45:58] New projects? [17:46:30] WikiTideTube™️, Wikify™️ (Spotify). [17:46:31] Things that could augment the core MH project, e.g. getting into forum hosting. [17:46:47] Also some talk of domain reselling, but that gets complicated. [17:46:59] Discourse hosting when. [17:47:18] Becoming a domain registrar is a lot of paperwork. [17:47:30] Maybe someday we'll have our own .miraheze domain. [17:47:30] Yeah, probably well and above what we're suited to do. [17:47:37] Would be just resale / affiliate I suspect [17:47:48] Not us being the actual registrar [17:48:04] GoDaddy will probably be the only one to work with us. [17:48:15] Most of the others expect unrealistic things from you. [17:48:20] That's what was discussed, yeah. E.g. if folks are going to need custom domains, why not allow them to support the project in doing so. [17:48:57] From what I recall, there's more willingness than you might expect to work with a nonprofit in this way, but no recent discussions have been had. [17:49:23] I expect the change of global economic landscape may make this less simple for sure [17:50:06] If there even is a bright economic future. [17:50:26] I hope there is, but there's a country trying hard to stop that from happening. [17:51:16] @notaracham how is ElasticSearch setup for Miraheze? It's just using zones for each wiki right? [17:51:27] Or is it a zone for each db cluster? [17:51:44] Not my expertise, sadly. [17:51:51] @rhinosf1 hello [17:51:58] I need to pick your brain again [17:52:06] On the phone [17:52:11] It's almost 3:30am, I should be in bed. [17:52:40] I have technical aptitude, but not the technology team kind 🙂 [17:53:00] Do you know how to install Linux. [17:53:07] Arch flavour. [17:53:30] With enough time and angry googling, I've gotten it done before. Not something I keep up on though [17:53:48] What tech stuff do you mainly interact with, other than your computer [17:54:50] Oh, my undergrad was IT-focused, and my day job is data analysis/data engineering type stuff. [17:55:08] I make the bits go from place A to place B, and write scripts that make them behave. 😄 [17:56:35] I found the networking and server management stuff interesting, but it didn't end up being enough of my focus to get deep expertise [17:57:44] I wanted to get into cyber security, but then I didn't wanna sit behind a desk doing that all day, so I wanna. do Nuclear Engineering and Reactor Operations instead. [17:58:07] Where I sit behind a desk all day and look at reactor outputs instead.... [17:58:32] Anyways goodnight. [18:12:37] Hello [18:13:21] I have experience in Debian & Redhat management [18:14:28] no way [18:14:30] can you fix my printer? [18:14:53] No, printers are the devil [18:15:36] I've even seen a printer with a failed OS disk before [18:15:58] what os are printers even running [18:16:20] No idea, some closed thing [18:16:49] I did fix a printer for a PM the other day who was wondering how to collect their print job [18:17:14] They'd forgot to check the tray and see if the output was waiting there for them [18:17:41] lol [18:19:04] @abaddriverlol the worst is when people look at me to fix hardware problems [18:19:12] I'm a dyspraxic software engineer [18:19:22] You don't want me touching hardware [18:22:00] same [18:22:40] it's like with frontend/backend development, some people know both but others only know one area and hate the other one [18:23:58] Hardware doesn't work with me at all [18:24:11] Like I can barely manage a screwdriver @abaddriverlol [18:26:35] oh [18:26:39] that's suboptimal [20:25:27] hello once more - apologies for the behavior that led up 2 my previous ban; i was (and still am!) very upset with that person’s presence [20:29:19] not gonna go in2 detail as i Obviously cannot mention the full thing here but i will say they have not stopped [20:33:27] [1/2] topic change via my latest work - octal is a cool base and graham kartna is a cool musician [20:33:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1371223702917877810/IMG_1693.png?ex=68225b16&is=68210996&hm=1354be9b366029372e8a961e81ef19cd2561695484a8268299ce8e41fe7db850& [21:03:42] Welcome back, thank you for keeping your disagreements off-server, please use the block/ignore features at your disposal for the user in question. [21:05:24] i do have her blocked on discord but she’s been stealing and reposting my artwork without permission (hence why i have a ton of watermarks on the piece i just posted) [23:10:05] At this point maybe you should just not post your art here. Just my honest opinion. [23:10:56] i probably won’t - she’s following me around on other socials though which is. Worrying [23:11:30] like it’s 2 the point where i am not posting my artwork publicly anymore, only 2 a few discord servers she isn’t in [23:12:13] that last piece i heavily watermarked and then posted it in a few other places but i am still worried [23:15:59] Good Lord.