[00:28:37] <BlankEclair>	 three month anniversary in under two weeks
[00:28:39] <BlankEclair>	 wtf
[01:11:37] <BlankEclair>	 <pokechu22> I remember one with really cursed URLs ending in .html
[01:11:38] <BlankEclair>	 <pokechu22> ... unfortunately, I dumped it myself, and I don't have the original URL on hand
[01:11:40] <BlankEclair>	 <pokechu22> ah wait, no, it was https://powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/W/Main_Page.html which still works through https://powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/api.php
[01:11:42] <BlankEclair>	 :)
[02:21:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to BlankEclair> Why does it end in .HTML tf
[02:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> This is terrifying.
[02:54:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tpsciartmechphilo, replying to blankeclair> Sussy hacking moment.
[02:54:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> also the /wiki/w/
[03:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to zppix> yes
[03:23:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [1/2] > Confirmed: Your appointment is on Sat 13 September 2025 07:30am. Please arrive 5 mins prior.
[03:23:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [2/2] bloody place opens at 7:30 lol
[03:45:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to zppix> and more importantly
[03:45:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> why in the world do i need to log in to see special:version https://powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/W/Special:Version.html
[03:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1411920221912043540/image.png?ex=68b668ad&is=68b5172d&hm=174273c42c9cd40502009b2108986590d278e3ca95b51819678e901ce254de50&
[03:46:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> did i fuckin
[03:47:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> make an account on this already
[03:47:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> when i was like a tiny baby
[03:48:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1411920564662173787/image.png?ex=68b668fe&is=68b5177e&hm=f5d177be545cdd03433075ddbd742d87d7561b6c5c899ad296df3064caa52d5f&
[03:48:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> this is one of the more cursed mediawiki screenshots out there i think
[03:49:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> MW 1.30
[03:50:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [1/2] but why though
[03:50:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1411921081584975892/image.png?ex=68b6697a&is=68b517fa&hm=181607c15a1eac473dc1e5316520f9107a1433315f5b74b451cc96dd531a9045&
[03:50:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> but why
[03:51:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> and i can confirm that
[03:51:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> via `useskin=apioutput`
[03:51:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [1/2] the MW output is just
[03:51:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1411921363014516756/image.png?ex=68b669bd&is=68b5183d&hm=cf1a50e27a0855c002e78b8f8e1d58daf3c03291704716a72b896f31438f3938&
[03:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> wrapped in this page
[03:52:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> `view-source:powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/W/Special:Version.html`
[03:52:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> the source code is equally cursed
[04:23:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to groupnebula563_0765> how it feels as a trans persom, seeing transphobe deny that being trans is a thing: ^
[04:39:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crazylosthismind, replying to amelialoveheart> whoever did that should never be allowed to touch localsettings.php again 😭
[04:41:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to blankeclair> that reminds me of this image i have
[04:41:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1411934078910857298/image.png?ex=68b67594&is=68b52414&hm=b71ec5eaeca3f328c17d7d0738d94bb7582aa8cb22a6ae8a02d544bbddc5d188&
[04:42:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tpsciartmechphilo, replying to blankeclair> Transphobes are evil
[04:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to groupnebula563_0765> LMAO
[04:53:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to blankeclair> https://mastodon.social/@GroupNebula563/115127219057732038 can't wait to get
[04:53:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> 70 thousand boosts :P
[04:56:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to tpsciartmechphilo> [1/2] to quote a wise man,
[04:56:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to tpsciartmechphilo> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1411937715682807969/1756702581848.png?ex=68b678f7&is=68b52777&hm=6e41337ebeb1c30087df795f3b82db5eacf67bd20c92453e20e66daed22782d7&
[06:27:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tpsciartmechphilo, replying to blankeclair> :)
[06:50:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to groupnebula563_0765> I played this game in middle school and high school.
[09:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awesomegamer101> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412005458935283764/behold-the-stupidest-meme-i-made-v0-xdem0vcxemh91.webp?ex=68b6b80f&is=68b5668f&hm=ac68888262111470a68552a8b2e8d3c84a4ae7cbc155ecb900739f33c22881be&
[09:47:13] <BlankEclair>	 mfw i got hrt before silksong
[14:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> gotta love the shade Microsoft and Google throw at each other
[14:28:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412081578116513792/image.png?ex=68b6fef3&is=68b5ad73&hm=854a60ded875856ada906d13850ed565c2acf2f9fa5fd31a97e6250ee29fceb1&
[14:35:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412083343083700324/th.png?ex=68b70098&is=68b5af18&hm=e86487b7c146e200f7b7b8c79f02ff9b045553597da07f1cc64ad84d8dc38eb9&
[14:35:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> LOL
[14:36:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i dont wanna be using chrome either man
[16:28:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/2] Yesterdays thing reminded me of more cursed wikis
[16:28:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412111904326811648/IMG_7820.png?ex=68b71b31&is=68b5c9b1&hm=ad5fbd5646793fde21f9fae3d5d0b4560325a9362e5814815eff1eee8f5416f0&
[16:34:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Oh dear lord, I'm assuming that's some flavor of uncyclopedia
[16:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to tali64> Nothing could get me to uninstall or block a program faster unless it was actually malware
[16:39:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Added trust?
[16:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Hm?
[16:44:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Where are Microsoft getting added trust from?
[16:45:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to notaracham> no it's from the Super Friends wiki, of _all_ places.
[16:46:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh lmao
[17:26:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to pixldev> Yes I love the added trust… starting with the fact they programmed their browser to inject that banner on that webpage… yes so much trust
[17:36:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [1/6] Also my self-hosted site (left) vs my google site  (right). Used Gemini and ChatGPT to code it and well, I tghink Gemini decided to add their own twist
[17:36:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [2/6] Not that I mind as well, good ideas are good ideas
[17:36:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [3/6] What do you think of the new self hosted site?
[17:36:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [4/6] What one looks better, google site or self hosted site?
[17:36:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [5/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412129027434479677/Screenshot_from_2025-09-01_16-59-27.png?ex=68b72b24&is=68b5d9a4&hm=9d61dbdb5c21d534f73d2d7b829d68941116b0c2d1db7e3119d647d2071181f9&
[17:36:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [6/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412129027963097229/Screenshot_from_2025-09-01_16-59-09.png?ex=68b72b24&is=68b5d9a4&hm=05da4fd65ffaea4c1332d6ef30180a35432a9edabb03a1503319ebba3d1183a1&
[18:46:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://news.itsfoss.com/vivaldi-stance-on-ai/
[18:46:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Good for them. Bold decision. I like it
[19:10:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> if only it wasn't Vivaldi...
[19:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> still, good for them as well. Normally I'd think it'd those kinds of browsers that would jump first to the ai hype
[19:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Vivaldi is pretty good TBF no complaints from me
[19:11:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Probably not the best browser out there but pretty good compared to the other large ones
[19:11:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> They are probably still selling my data but
[19:11:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> My problem is that it is still Chromium and don't want to use it just for that
[19:12:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> everyone and their mum is chromium
[19:12:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> philosopical reasons more than anything
[19:12:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to pskyechology> not firefox and its forks
[19:13:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> although we're slowly dying every passing day...
[19:14:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Zen my beloved
[19:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> on another note, I now have a US-layout keyboard
[19:16:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> it will be fun for a while as I get used to this layout...
[20:39:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pixldev> ungoogled chromium? :3
[21:29:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to blankeclair> Don’t work for this
[21:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wdym (i use degoogled chromium for specific reasons but i just don't like it anyway lol)
[21:58:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pixldev> ah righy
[21:58:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i rember
[22:28:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/7] https://lwn.net/Articles/1032604/
[22:28:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/7] Interesting article about ArchWiki.
[22:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [3/7] > MediaWiki has a lot of strengths, Klinkovský said; it is battle-proven software, it is the de facto standard platform for wikis, and it has a nice API that can be used for integration with external applications such as bots. But MediaWiki is a weakness as well, he said. The platform is primarily developed for Wikipedia, and its developers are from Wikipedia. "Sometimes their
[22:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [4/7]  decisions don't suit us", he said, and there was little way to make things exactly as the ArchWiki maintenance team might want.
[22:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [5/7] > 
[22:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [6/7] > The primary weakness, though, was that its markup language is "very weird and hard to understand both for humans and machines". In 2025, most people know and write Markdown daily, but MediaWiki markup is different. It is weird and fragile; changing a single token can completely break a page. It is also, he said, difficult to write a proper or robust parser for the language. 
[22:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [7/7] This is particularly true because there is no formal specification of the language, just the reference implementation in the form of MediaWiki. That can change at any time: "so even if you had a perfect parser one day, it might not work the same or perfectly the next day".
[22:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Reminds me I met to ask this but how many other wiki software are there and actually used? Only one I can think of is Tiddly and Doku
[22:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> There's MoinMoin which is still under active development and used by Debian (won't be the case for long according to the lwn article).
[23:01:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yoshi459292927370272> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412210757080322158/IMG_2845.gif?ex=68b77742&is=68b625c2&hm=682b64f769656a14bd7aa275fd0e9f550a89988abb24f6c104223806725e2a77&
[23:02:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yoshi459292927370272> Rainbow Kirby
[23:02:47] <BlankEclair>	 :3
[23:04:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> That actually kinda hurts my eyes
[23:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yoshi459292927370272, replying to amelialoveheart> Sorry about that
[23:06:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/2] finally got grafanaed again, it's been a few months since the last time
[23:06:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412212123269988433/image.png?ex=68b77887&is=68b62707&hm=d5115fd53cb91517da2e641844b7b32a8709328936ab02208358c02c7890d70b&
[23:07:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] https://static.wikitide.net/metawiki/thumb/d/dc/Miraheze_Logo.png/100px-Miraheze_Logo.png
[23:07:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] I just got it as well
[23:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] This one is reproducible unlike the others, though I wonder if it's due to caching.
[23:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1412212487054561361/image.png?ex=68b778de&is=68b6275e&hm=56161a0683cd217d96d5c77e349ea9a4603fd48dbbc6aa1becc208bd8280a790&
[23:08:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> helo people my old discord account @tango_man got logged out.....
[23:08:49] <BlankEclair>	 grafanya
[23:09:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> and i lost access to the account email so im just screwed!!!
[23:11:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> And it's back to normal again...
[23:16:38] <BlankEclair>	 https://archive.today/20250830194822/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/08/29/tesla-autopilot-crashes-evidence-testimony-wrongful-death/
[23:16:40] <BlankEclair>	 ugh
[23:46:58] <BlankEclair>	 > [02/09/2025 09:46] <MirahezeRelay> <originalauthority> I could've sworn there are apps out there that store databases in the browser for offline viewing
[23:47:07] <BlankEclair>	 originalauthority: how easily can we make mw do it tho
[23:47:26] <BlankEclair>	 also, i wonder if/when we'd hit cookie size limits
[23:47:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I'm gonna have to Google this but I swear there are apps out there that when you visit the website it downloads the database to the browser for offline viewing
[23:48:55] <BlankEclair>	 it also has to send the database to the server
[23:49:07] <BlankEclair>	 since the server needs to modify the client's db and send it back to them
[23:49:13] <BlankEclair>	 i'm fairly sure there's sqlite in css too
[23:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Maybe I mean IndexDB?
[23:49:33] <BlankEclair>	 https://www.leemeichin.com/posts/yes-i-can-connect-to-a-db-in-css.html
[23:49:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I could've sworn it wasn't that maybe I'm misremembering
[23:50:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] <BlankEclair> i'm fairly sure there's sqlite in css too
[23:50:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] That's horrifying
[23:50:18] <BlankEclair>	 :)
[23:50:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Now I'm thankful for ResourceLoader - a statement I never thought anyone would say out loud
[23:52:13] <BlankEclair>	 i love horrifying people with cursed things lol
[23:59:48] <BlankEclair>	 well uh
[23:59:50] <BlankEclair>	 i didn't expect https://www.leemeichin.com/posts/permanent-solutions-to-temporary-problems.html