[01:26:25] https://www.osnews.com/story/143376/dark-patterns-killed-my-wifes-windows-11-installation/ [01:33:21] i should switch to linux one day [01:46:54] [1/2] They might have overcounted a bit [01:46:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418413009537335407/Screenshot_20250919_034622_Brave.png?ex=68ce078e&is=68ccb60e&hm=9fb570884304671344304771275b15fb5cd1b1b25ff24138d33fc6b7696a1690& [01:52:50] Fair point! I also checked their CSS, and it wants to make me scream. [01:54:52] I also disabled the DarkMode extension on my wiki, since I did send in a screenshot of it in action on my wiki's Discord server, and they all cringed in horror. [01:55:06] hi [01:55:13] that is me [03:41:53] [19/09/2025 13:12] arkiver: can we spread the post around? https://opencollective.com/archiveteam/updates/changes-to-our-infrastructure-and-use-of-donations [03:43:27] https://www.osnews.com/story/141941/microsoft-accidentally-cares-about-its-users-releases-update-that-unintentionally-deletes-copilot-from-windows/ [10:00:58] apparently google services and some sites see my android tablet as linux device :ThinkerMH: [10:01:49] my phone is android to them still [10:11:10] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/1354 [10:26:29] It is technically [11:07:23] Hi guys [12:34:42] oh this new weird gloop site is NICEEEEE https://wiki.play2xko.com/en-us/?mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop [12:48:34] [1/2] https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lady_Lostris/Technical_Updates:_September_19,_2025?commentId=4400000000003837389 [12:48:34] [2/2] Tell me fandom staff don't understand how the internet works without telling me [12:54:45] i ain't making an account to read a comment [12:55:05] Oh I forgot comments are restricted now [12:55:39] Basically someone said that removing read to recent changes etc for non logged in users prevents internet archive archiving things and they said "you can still do that, just have to be logged in" 😭 [12:56:12] lmfao [12:58:07] Fandom will ruin itself. [13:07:34] And yet some people still say its better than miraheze 🥀 [13:07:35] at this rate they can nuke anon editing all together lol [13:07:37] There isn't really a reason to save RC to Wayback Machine though [13:08:03] i was checking rc on some wikis but im too lazy to login [13:33:37] thousands of children forced to learn CSS to customize their wiki [13:33:46] we are such an evil wiki farm [13:34:06] It's violating CC-BY-SA if you didn't archive the RC [13:41:20] but page history is there? [13:41:59] rc isn't accessible after import anyway? [13:42:14] truly evil [13:47:02] ? No [13:47:13] RC expires after 90 days anyways [13:47:38] might be confusing it with change history [13:47:41] And page history is still available, albeit with unclickable links [13:48:28] something tells me you can still view the diffs despite being linkless [13:49:09] Probably [13:49:53] No looks like not [13:50:15] damn [13:52:33] You know one improvement to the bot situation would be like [13:52:59] They keep visiting login/create account links from every page because they are different on every page [13:53:15] `returnto` parameters specifically [13:53:55] nah fucking everything up for the average user is better [13:54:01] But what if the login/create account links were actually always set to `Special:CreateAccount?iamabot=1` and then got changed using JavaScript [13:55:37] I don't think that's possible without modifying MediaWiki [13:58:46] That's not on MediaWiki, that's on the skin [13:59:16] (My point was not really anything to do with the fact they wanted to archive RC; I agree that is probably pointless also. My point was merely to laugh at that persons inability to understand how the internet works) [13:59:35] (am I a horrible person? yes!) [13:59:57] they get paid to do that [14:00:12] money. they receive payment for that. [14:00:40] I don't think thats possible [14:00:50] becasue from what I understand the process of loggin in on Fandom goes like this [14:01:06] Well it goes to auth.fandom.com yeah [14:01:09] But you know [14:01:37] Visit Special:Login -> redirect to Kratos -> redirected back to Fandom with the token -> token is sent to Fandom's identityMapper service -> identity service exchanges the token for the users mediawiki id -> UCP takes over now it knows the MediaWiki ID [14:03:49] Okay but how does that make it impossible [14:04:19] don't they put the token in the URL? [14:04:29] i cba to log out to find out i lost my 2FA codes lol [14:08:02] Actually the problem I'm thinking of probably isn't even a problem for Fandom because they have a login button instead of a link [14:08:23] And iirc the LLM bots never submit forms [14:09:24] That's a better idea [14:15:57] But yes average Fandom Staff member's technical knowledge is not that great [14:16:19] To be fair [14:16:39] Miraheze is very unfriendly for people who just wanna learn stuff by reading a bunch of pages themselves [14:16:40] Even JSRT rarely knows enough to spot a simple XSS [14:16:59] At least in my experience [14:17:03] ?? [14:17:15] Ok ok I think I didn't phrase that correctly [14:17:36] Like [14:17:40] girl I dropped myself into the tech team by continously reading about stuff mediawiki does [14:17:52] and of course, by threatening DB explosions [14:18:00] Fandom has a lot of guides to help out new users [14:18:42] But Miraheze barely touches on anything beyond broad/super important topics, at least from what I can see [14:18:46] They are able to spot a very intentional snippet of malicious JS but if it's someone just making a mistake they just don't look it it thoroughly enough to spot it [14:19:06] Because they aren't trained in web security of course [14:19:07] what do you think we would need a guide on the most [14:19:17] And they aren't paid for that either [14:20:14] welp [14:20:32] you don't put someone in charge of JS review if they aren't trained in web security? [14:20:37] isn't that basic common sense? [14:20:43] i don't fly planes because i'm not a pilot?? [14:21:03] but the more money they can save the more AI they can introduce IG! [14:21:42] There was a time when they either gave bug bounties or hired security testers to test Dev scripts and they found a bunch of issues [14:22:03] nice scheme to turn random and claire into millionaires [14:22:51] I mean they had PCJ who knew what he was doing [14:22:52] I don't think it was available for any random user because I surely would've accepted a bug bounty for all the issues I already found [14:23:03] I mean [14:23:04] they still do bug bounties [14:23:05] I guess [14:23:16] https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Fandom_Bug_Bounty_Program [14:23:43] idk how you get involved though but a few weeks ago in their tech blog they said someone from the program found a memory issue or sttn [14:24:17] https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-yes-yes-gif-14926051 [14:24:21] pcj felt more like this though [14:24:37] He was just much faster [14:24:50] Customization [14:25:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_customise_the_look_of_my_wiki [14:25:27] More specifically customizing the appearance of a wiki [14:25:30] ohhhhhhhhhhh [14:25:33] OHHHHHHHHH [14:25:35] Man [14:25:35] ig you can be faster if you know what you're doing lol [14:25:59] Hmm [14:26:23] A while ago I made this [14:26:36] And it's still updated weekly [14:27:19] by whom? [14:27:28] a bot [14:27:30] GH Actions [14:27:42] That I set up [14:28:11] And I used it to find hundreds and hundreds of forked scripts that previously had security vulnerabilities and got patched on one wiki (usually Dev) but not on every other wiki that forked them [14:28:37] Rappy was still at Fandom back then [14:29:00] yeah it fell apart around the time he left [14:29:01] And I thought they would've wisened up and stopped people from forking scripts unnecessarily but [14:29:12] I don't think that happened [14:30:45] When I saw they hired paid security researchers to report bugs in custom JS despite having a JSR team since 2015 my interest in finding vulnerabilities just dropped [14:30:59] Because why would I do that if someone else is being paid to do it [14:32:05] I wasn't necessarily talking about JSR i meant fandom as a whole [14:32:14] a lot of layoffs happened around that time [14:35:14] Sometimes I wonder if I'm drifting away from Fandom in general because the people who cared mostly left or because it was never actually good and I was just more naiive back then [14:36:28] Did things get worse or I just got a wider perspective [14:37:24] [1/2] I don't think you were naive - "Fandom" as a platform (and a company) is signficiantly different than what Wikia was (for the worse). [14:37:25] [2/2] But thats whay happens when you sell out to PI [14:38:41] Lesson learned, I'm never selling out to PortableInfobox [14:38:58] LMFAO [14:39:01] i blame OA [14:39:24] PortableInfobox bout to suffer the same fate as Gamepedia if WMF don't sort their shit [14:40:40] I think about how they were doing shit like that one SEO experiment where they injected links to random wikis on words like "dragon" to logged out users as far back as 2016, and wonder if their enshittification is just more visible now because I'm around spaces that like to point it out, or the enshittification rate significantly grew [14:40:49] That reminded me of doing a reorganization of CSS-related help pages. I found out about [[Help:Skin]] which was barely mentioned elsewhere. One more thing on a todo-list of 20 items lol. [14:40:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Skin [14:40:50]

[14:41:47] maybe the latter? I remember when the Gamepedia merger happened and all the Gamepedia editors were voicing their concerns and I was oblivious to any of the concerns they were raising? [14:41:57] maybe we sipped that kool aid too much [14:50:55] I guess one thing that (to me) made Fandom feel more distant was the fact that we can no longer track the software changes they are doing [14:52:07] I mean we had shit like https://github.com/Wikia/app/pull/16677 in 2019 [14:53:01] Where are my joke PRs by Fandom engineers in 2025 [15:18:21] yeah, no idea why they went closed source [15:18:45] but also to keep saying they plan to make UCP open source lol [15:18:48] [1/11] micropixel font!!!1! [15:18:49] [2/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617326646988972/Untitled538_20250914224500.png?ex=68cec5d7&is=68cd7457&hm=048f58e3c206c1e34d3807a9e0a66e4aa15896148c1ba57ba82d72f59febe9f8& [15:18:49] [3/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617326986723328/Untitled538_20250914224657.png?ex=68cec5d7&is=68cd7457&hm=e8883c60d10a9b41ecbea73862ef6e75d99852334135ddca088eed9caa7b386e& [15:18:49] [4/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617327569600522/Untitled538_20250914224727.png?ex=68cec5d7&is=68cd7457&hm=839f3a30a26641102f269db1c98b8de9233ee820f389c6b1645b8a5f81ded566& [15:18:50] [5/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617328081567914/Untitled538_20250914224741.png?ex=68cec5d7&is=68cd7457&hm=1b496eda845c88a42aa9d6784af04e12abd0435cb427693977fa396684f5d1db& [15:18:50] [6/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617328505065712/Untitled538_20250914224802.png?ex=68cec5d7&is=68cd7457&hm=542f6b3df7c5a6f01821594c7f9ebda3760ad8b5625e9bac86258bead6ce66ac& [15:18:50] [7/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617329125949592/Untitled538_20250914224810.png?ex=68cec5d7&is=68cd7457&hm=d6b3531a57955a7f2113f3b1054099165033910fcd6f5ac5a0277880641e81a1& [15:18:51] [8/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617329700307186/Untitled538_20250914224824.png?ex=68cec5d8&is=68cd7458&hm=3dd8063abbe0646d09e6ae19f84748843803e0955f0de0bcbc530701bf19a9c9& [15:18:51] [9/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617330065342464/Untitled538_20250914224850.png?ex=68cec5d8&is=68cd7458&hm=7bd9600be40f85439172168a77dbc5f89c51b6a71f779794d69324ebb03f6272& [15:18:51] [10/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617330480447549/Untitled538_20250914224903.png?ex=68cec5d8&is=68cd7458&hm=ed7273b80e58025ddbdc8d607f7a3a4d8ac96d74f41743e662c198ab543f2b39& [15:18:51] [11/11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418617331030032480/Untitled538_20250914224927.png?ex=68cec5d8&is=68cd7458&hm=ed1c496aab499855ea464d7f8e7b746805a96db01cd2599e8cd0d8a1b3e380ca& [15:26:56] Jpg compression renders it very well lmao [15:57:53] [1/2] I had the same experienceon moegirlpedia. People leaving at a faster rate and the platform worsening usually happen together. [15:57:54] [2/2] I used to have a user page section to commemorate editors who wrote content I like but left the wiki. The list became pointless when I tried to update it recently because most people I knew while I was active have moved on (including myself). [17:20:45] i was gonna make a funny comment on this [17:20:53] but i got locked out of my github acc [17:21:00] and i cannot make a new one [17:21:17] sounds like a skill issue [17:21:22] because they want me to do this godforsaken captcha with car distance and i cannot figure it out [17:21:46] it doesn't help that you have to do 5 of em and it doesn't tell you if you were right or wrong once you've completed all 5 [17:21:54] or [17:22:01] until you've completed all 5 rather [17:31:58] ok i figured it out [17:32:00] good god [17:32:59] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418651098499121202/491643810-873844a3-40fd-4e7c-8806-25816bd51661.png?ex=68cee54b&is=68cd93cb&hm=300a45a057b08c4aff3363aa688db20862c9eb31dcb423011bc5bfc77e4f1b3c& [17:33:10] lemme just spoiler that [17:33:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418651161967198338/SPOILER_491643810-873844a3-40fd-4e7c-8806-25816bd51661.png?ex=68cee55a&is=68cd93da&hm=3e3460a98241053dc52e692463e63c5dc92f351a34e4ad311bc8ddce7365d384& [17:38:51] hiiiiiii i disable js by default~ [17:44:27] HBO Max has the worst because it makes you do math based off blurry pictures of dice [17:46:02] mfw people made video tutorials on how to pass captchas on roblox [17:48:15] so glad they're stopping kids from playing it [17:49:56] https://doi.org/10.1080/08164649.2025.2556256 [17:51:55] WHAT? [18:10:19] are we allowed to discuss this here? [18:15:44] im at school idk if i should click it [18:15:57] but its a doi so it has to be scientific [18:15:58] right [18:16:42] i should've read the paper before sending it here [18:16:53] it is, yes [18:17:06] but it is also related to nsfw topics [18:17:27] its not just gonna blast porn on my screen right [18:18:29] if you go far down enough, it wil [18:18:38] figure ~7 [18:18:46] ok dont scroll too far down got it [18:19:03] im sure this is a great idea trust [18:20:37] i didnt expact the article to be about trans puppy girls [18:21:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1418663193370427473/image_2025-09-19_142100563.png?ex=68cef08e&is=68cd9f0e&hm=f645e81b20489a5aea10d2009b013927738560995ae980d345b7c51068039ecb& [18:23:22] woof~ [18:24:23] i think people interested in those parts of psychology would be greatly interested [18:24:34] unfortunately im more of a psychiatry type of guy [18:24:56] i should spontaneously send this to someone ik who is interested in psychology [18:25:22] tell us how they react [18:25:32] i'm actually not gonna do that lol [18:25:36] damn [18:25:46] dunno if he has learned about transness [18:38:07] im gonna send that to my sister who is majoring in psychology [18:38:22] i have a feeling she's gonna like it [18:45:20] ohno [18:45:56] i will update on how she reacts [18:56:24] Your shark plushie is cute claire [18:57:04] yeah i never understand doing stuff with excessive JS that could be done serverside [18:57:14] there's a copious amount of people that do so [18:57:26]