[03:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to tangoer_man> the design is very human
[03:01:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> https://tenor.com/view/the-design-is-very-human-gif-25388130
[05:05:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540, replying to tangoer_man> Thank you for the super high energy bill.
[05:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to groupnebula563_0765> god i don't miss squat toilets
[07:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to tangoer_man> I love SCP:SL, but I liked it before the first mega patch update.
[07:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Very cool. Now we can use videos in galleries. Coming to a Wiki near you, in 2027.
[07:43:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Although, how is the data stored in the db? Is it only storing the video ID and the file system is just constructing the embed URL from that? And what happens if someone is using MediaWiki in a country where YouTube is blocked? I.e. China, Turkmenistan, Iran, Eritrea.
[07:44:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Then you get the thumbnail
[07:44:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> In China they would use Billibilli, so if there was a way to change the service that would be nice.
[07:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> The thumbnail is downloaded and uploaded to the wiki when you add the video
[07:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> And of course embedding multiple services would be a cool future feature, I expect that in a year or two though.
[07:45:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> If you request a size that is greater than the minimum player size for a provider (IE YouTube says to use an embed only larger than 480x360, you get the embed) if you do [[File:YouTubeVide|470px]] that is less than the 480 recommended by YouTube so you get the thumb
[07:45:43] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:YouTubeVide
[07:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Thanks wmbot
[07:46:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> We love you wm-bot.
[07:47:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> I'm assuming this is only intended to work with YouTube, but if the only YouTube specific thing it's doing is defining the constructor URL for it, would a `$wg` variable to change the constructor be supported?
[07:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> Erm, no. I'm working on YouTube, Twitch right now and open to other suggestions
[07:48:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Probably will implement the others that Ext:Video implements too
[07:49:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> So what does the stored data in the db look like for each embedded video?
[07:50:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://github.com/Telepedia/ExternalVideo/blob/main/includes/ExternalVideoStore.php
[07:50:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It just stores the id of the video and the provider which is a subclass of https://github.com/Telepedia/ExternalVideo/blob/main/includes/Providers/ExternalVideoProvider.php
[07:50:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you scrap a fandom wiki w/ yt vids thumbnails are like short low q mp4s
[07:50:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> If someone can remove those embeds lol because Im on mobile
[07:51:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> protip: you can add < > around links to remove embeds
[07:51:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Nice.
[07:51:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> instead of posting it and removing it after the fact haha
[07:52:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to emiliers> Oh tysm
[07:53:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'll definitely use this extension on my wiki when it's mostly completed.
[07:53:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Because that was one of my major frustrations with MediaWiki and EmbedVideo, I can't use EV tags in galleries.
[07:54:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to originalauthority> [1/2] It's possible with EmbedVideo, though I'm not sure if it works for non-local videos.
[07:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to originalauthority> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1423578834917392454/image.png?ex=68e0d29b&is=68df811b&hm=6ad1a21375a9646400f987093612d811c8f31e51a39127ab65ea682646730a84&
[07:54:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yeah that was mostly my point for creating it, ext:video has <video gallery> but that doesn't allow mixing
[07:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to posix_memalign> That's manually recreating the gallery and using it as a template isn't it?
[07:55:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> (embed video also doesn't give you a file page which is really annoying), but probably a minor nitpick I guess
[07:55:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> I prefer file pages nglm
[07:55:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> But Fandom's implementation just sucks.
[07:56:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> How so
[07:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Their player is ugly and bulky.
[07:56:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [1/8] It works with regular gallery tags. The source code is:
[07:56:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [2/8] ```
[07:56:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [3/8] <gallery mode="packed">
[07:56:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [4/8] File:Vp9opus.webm
[07:56:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [5/8] File:Test.jpg
[07:56:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [6/8] File:Test2.jpg
[07:56:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [7/8] /gallery
[07:56:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to aeywoo> [8/8] ```
[07:56:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to posix_memalign> Yeah, that's with local files.
[07:57:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yeah I don't think gallery will allow you to use a Parser function inside will it?
[07:59:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Probably not. The gallery tag is frustratingly inflexible. I just tested `File:{{{1|Test}}}.jpg` and it refuses to recognize that.
[07:59:22] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7b1 
[10:00:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to wm-bot> we love you wm bot
[10:01:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to aeywoo> me too, this will be awesome
[10:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> though what would be nice is a way to migrate videos from fandom as well
[10:01:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> i know you can request it through the API
[10:10:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to posix_memalign> Weren't they supposed to be overhauling the function of the gallery tag a while ago/
[10:10:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> ?
[10:24:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Oh yeah, not using GitLab anymore?
[10:25:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I use both
[10:26:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Predominantly GitLab for private repos but I have been using GitHub a lot more since GitLab is shoving AI down everyone's throat
[10:26:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> GitHub is too, but less prominently
[10:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Was about to say, yeah.
[10:43:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Also GitLab is up for sale so who knows who will end up with that.
[10:43:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Better the devil you know ig
[10:52:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> That's fucked.
[10:52:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> So what else are you going to add to the extension alongside other services?
[10:53:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I'm not sure what else would be needed?
[10:54:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> (I'm all ears for suggestions)
[11:10:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> The Star Citizen Wiki's Fork of EmbedVideo (the only currently supported version) gives you cookie warnings for an attempt at GDPR compliance. That would be nice to have.
[11:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to originalauthority> well GH has announced quite prominently that they're training all your code off AI
[11:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> The ability to have video file uploads set to a specific permission, like `uploadvideo`, by default `*`/`'user'` will have that permission, but yeah.
[11:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> honestly i would ditch both and go codeberg
[11:11:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to groupnebula563_0765> That's brave of them
[11:11:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Some wikis restrict URL uploads for verified, and video uploads would be a restriction too.
[11:11:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to originalauthority> it doesn't seem to be working out too well
[11:11:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> everyone's kinda leaving now
[11:12:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Codeberg UI horrid enough
[11:12:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I wonder if your extension works fine with the Moderation extension?
[11:12:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Inb4 bitbucket
[11:12:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I guess I could test that.
[11:13:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I would probably hazard a guess no, since iirc uploads are sent to the stash first for moderator
[11:14:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Maybe it would actually if moderator uses a hook for uploads
[11:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Yeah, that makes sense.
[11:14:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'll still text the extension cause it seems interesting.
[11:15:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'
[11:16:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> You may have difficulty until I push the rest of the WIP code from my local copy since the YouTube provider isn't implemented on GH yet
[11:16:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I saw that.
[11:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> What happens if a video file is deleted? If undeleted will the thumbnail be fetched again or just undeleted too? Or does that remain untouched?
[11:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> And I'm assuming the thumbnail isn't registered with the file function so it's not accessible through \[[File:\]] tags?
[11:17:20] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:%5c
[11:17:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Thank you wm-bot <3
[11:17:27] <wm-bot>	 Hey MirahezeRelay, you are welcome!
[11:17:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It is
[11:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] The video is essentially uploaded as a regular file. For all intents and purposes, if you upload the video and it's title is for example Miraheze Trailer, and then you do [[File:Miraheze Trailer|500px]] > you get the embed directly, if you do [[File:Miraheze Trailer|300px]] you get the thumbnail. The thumbnail is downloaded from the provider (YouTube API) when the video is 
[11:19:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Miraheze_Trailer https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Miraheze_Trailer
[11:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] added, and is uploaded to MediaWiki. For all intents and purposes, MediaWiki thinks there is a file there (because there is) were just overriding the display to show the embed
[11:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> So all normal functions work, deleting and undeleting works, because principally, MediaWiki is just deleting and undeleting the thumbnail
[11:20:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> We're just overriding how it's displayed to users
[11:21:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Oh and what about file options when using a video in an article, because YouTube and a few other services offer additional settings with their players, e.g. autoplay.
[11:21:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> That's pretty cool.
[11:21:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I wonder how Fandom does theirs?
[11:23:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> not really looked at that yet - I guess it could potentially be supported, but autoplay would be trudging into annoying/fandom featured video territory
[11:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> [1/3] Well, I can't say for certain but this implementation is kinda reverse-engineer of how they're doing it  (+ some inspo taken from TimedMediaHandler
[11:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> [2/3] https://vampirediaries.fandom.com/api.php?action=query&titles=File:Legacies_4x18_Promo_%22By_the_End_of_This,_You%27ll_Know_Who_You_Were_Meant_to_Be%22_(HD)&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=timestamp|user|url|size|mime|metadata
[11:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> [3/3] so I think the same?
[11:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> That's true, and we don't want to be like Fandom....
[11:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Interesting.
[11:25:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to originalauthority> How about making the extension show an image thumbnail instead of an embed on mobile? I've had embeds break on mobile a lot of times (but I also have a cheap phone)
[11:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to ccxtwf> That could be a good `$wg` for wiki-hosters to have enabled/disabled depending on the skin.
[11:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> I dunno if EmbedVideo loads the embed lazily or natively when the Requires User Consent option is turned off, but it might also be why my embeds keep breaking
[11:27:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> good catch yeah, I'll add that to the list
[11:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> Is supporting services that aren't on the CSP whitelist on the table? I know you want to work on YouTube and Twitch first but I was wondering if this could be used in place of bilibili embeds
[11:32:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I mentioned BilliBilli yesterday.
[11:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> It's definitely something that Chinese wikis will need to use, cause YouTube is blocked there.
[11:32:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Its not miraheze specific so other services are acceptable, yeah, whether it works with Miraheze due to the CSP is not really my concern in essence.
[11:33:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> so yeah, i have no idea what BilliBilli is but i'll look
[11:33:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> It's like YouTube but Chinese.
[11:33:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> https://www.bilibili.tv/en
[11:33:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> It's spelt BiliBili apparently, one `l`.
[11:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] so stable?
[11:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1423634144189087816/Screenshot_2025-10-03_at_12.33.44.png?ex=68e1061d&is=68dfb49d&hm=8fdd0b4100d9d9f3f6a43b47d675d8bfd34bbbbfd5c673c87492864bf571619f&
[11:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> What country are you in OA?
[11:34:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> oh
[11:34:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to originalauthority> It's a video streaming site for the anime and video game crowd. Youku is more Chinese YouTube
[11:34:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> yeah it was that url
[11:34:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> UK
[11:34:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to originalauthority> It's bilibili.net
[11:34:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Just go to https://bilibili.tv/en and it should show up.
[11:34:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> why doesn't that redirect to the actual url if they know people may spell it wrong?
[11:34:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> instead of just rendering half the interface lmao
[11:34:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> bilibili.tv isn't managed by the Chinese branch I think (and I feel like has been largely neglected?)
[11:35:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> bilibili.com btw, they don't use `.net`.
[11:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> Ah good catch there
[11:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'm assuming if a wiki has multiple embedded videos from a specific service, and that specific service is either blocked, censored or banned in the wiki hosters country, is there a way to replace the embeds associated with those files? Or is it just, delete, replace, go on with your day?
[11:39:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> if we're talking about chinese social media dont forget wechat
[11:39:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> No, we're just talking about video services.
[11:39:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Is there examples for embed video I can look at their GDPR thing?
[11:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> It's live on my wiki rn if you want.
[11:40:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> https://wiki.terranil.org/w/User:Aeywoo/sandbox
[11:41:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I added the Deezer/Tidal services to EmbedVideo, so I had to add the privacy URLs for both services when doing it.
[11:41:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> You'd have to delete the file and reupload, since MediaWiki won't allow you to reupload a file with a different mime type to the same file if that makes sense?
[11:41:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> Yeah, I thought that would be the case.
[11:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But ofc you can just move the file to the same name and then you wouldn't need to remove the file from the pages
[11:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> Ty
[11:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to aeywoo> might be nice to have PeerTube embeds as well
[11:42:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to groupnebula563_0765> should be pretty easy to figure out
[11:42:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> To EmbedVideo?
[11:43:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I added Deezer/Tidal because I wanted more music services to embed with other than SoundCloud, Spotify and Bandcamp.
[11:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> If it's something that's easy to embed I could probably make a PR for it.
[11:48:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> You know what's quite interesting, Tidal offers a music video service.
[11:48:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> And you can embed them.
[11:48:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Which I added support for within EmbedVideo when I did my last PR.
[11:56:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> Bandlab and Audiomack embeds would be neat. I know some indie artists use those
[12:04:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to emiliers> I'll see how their embeds function.
[12:05:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> AudioMack is pretty simple
[12:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> It's just adding `/embed` before the artists name.
[12:23:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awesomegamer101> https://vxtwitter.com/SuperMarioOOC85/status/1973825312778514562
[13:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to originalauthority> Bilibili not working on MH is MH specific due to GDPR stuffs
[13:27:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Last time it was rejected on issue tracker due to not able to contact with the Security Team
[13:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Oh, someone else opened a new task that using url bypasses the trackers https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T14069
[13:30:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Unfortunately CSP reviews have been a bit delayed but bilibili is probably due for another review
[13:30:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> But last time it was indeed not found to be sufficiently compliant with GDPR
[13:34:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> oh, seems that they somewhat opened singapore office so that's much better chance to contact them
[14:36:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to max20091> He meant that the extension he's working on isn't MH specific.
[14:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Oh, then the EmbedVideo fork should work
[16:20:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to originalauthority> [1/2] oh yeah will we get that in miraheze 🥺 
[16:20:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to originalauthority> [2/2] or is it just a test in telepedia for now
[16:22:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> i still wonder why fandom bought gamepedia
[16:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It's a test on my MacBook for now
[16:24:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to originalauthority> will it be better than uhh ....
[16:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> that video extension
[16:24:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yes
[16:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> will it be easier to work it aswell?
[16:25:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yup
[16:25:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> wow that seems so AWESOME
[16:26:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> what extension does fandom use for the youtube videos again
[16:28:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Something in house
[16:28:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Not public
[16:28:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It's called FandomVideo
[17:09:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to squidenial> Monopolization
[17:11:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I think Gamepedia had some financial issues too? I don't really remember
[17:11:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to justleafy2003> they should buy wiki.gg and every other wikifarm
[17:12:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to squidenial> They'll just break up again into new platforms 🤣
[17:13:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to justleafy2003> buy them aswell
[17:13:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Some of those wikis will go completely independent (as in, self-hosted or being hosted by a smaller host like ABXY or Weird Gloop)
[17:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Fandom can just keep buying platforms, but if they don't improve, more wikis will rebel either way
[17:14:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> roblox wikifarm when
[17:15:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to justleafy2003> buy weird glo
[17:15:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to squidenial> It's called Miraheze
[17:15:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> https://tenor.com/view/google-dockey-google-docs-google-documents-you-want-me-to-fight-the-allegations-gif-8659524943116144943
[17:15:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> wrong gif
[17:16:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830939388727787540/1370096525698666587/14c813e0b5fddc9f6ad8a2ca52092f58.gif
[17:16:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to squidenial> Imagine RuneScape, Minecraft, Vampire Survivors, and Balatro all rejoining Fandom 🤣
[17:16:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> League of Legends and Warframe too
[17:16:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> all hell would go loose
[17:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I mean, Fandom would have the best wikis again, but that means we're gonna be under Fandom occupation and oppression again
[17:17:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> With the humiliation of ads, bloat, recommendations, other limitations, etc.
[17:17:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to justleafy2003> yeah, but we know very well they wouldn't take that kindly
[17:19:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Oh well
[17:19:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I'm proud of the high quality UI/UX, the content, the community, and how those wikis evolved a lot ever since they moved out
[17:20:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> And how readers like these wikis a lot
[17:20:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> we could take them in if they needed a place to go
[17:20:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> It's only fair to stay independent from Fandom for these wikis forever
[17:20:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> fortunately idt weird gloop is going anywhere
[17:21:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> It doesn't have legs i think
[17:21:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to pskyechology> Yeah, they're awesome to work with
[17:21:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I do admin VS and edit Balatro
[17:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> And very occasionally, MC, if I can ever find myself something to edit lol
[17:22:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gamepedia's company curse went under twitch, isn't?
[17:22:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Yes
[17:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> cus i remember horrendous twitch account only login
[17:22:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they clearly didn't know what to do w/ wiki hosting
[17:24:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to justleafy2003> i have yet to understand UI and UX
[17:24:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to justleafy2003> They're not independent
[17:24:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> You can't say a wiki is independent if it's ran by a company; even if it's Weird Gloop
[17:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> They didn't say absolutely independent though, they said independent from fandom.
[17:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Fair
[17:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i mean, the runescape wikis are the real independent ones in this  case, weird gloop was created to manage them as a single legal entity
[17:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the other ones - idk
[17:26:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> makes me think of bulbagarden case
[17:28:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> when you move from fandom so well that people come with you
[17:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> StrategyWiki is independent, but Hollow Knight technically isn't, even though it's hosted by ABXY/StrategyWiki
[17:30:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> But yeah, when most people say "independent", they mean independent from Fandom
[17:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to justleafy2003> the hollow knight isn't the best in mobile
[17:40:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> the main page, that is
[18:49:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to squidenial> To own at the time it's only major competition and destroy it.
[18:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to squidenial> Wiki.gg isn't up for sale. It's owned solely by a privately owned Video Game publishing company.
[18:52:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> That was after Twitch bought Gamepedia, Curse had it's own login system before then. Twitch wanted a central login system for all their properties, which is why you still had to login to Gamepedia with it before the UCP Migration.
[18:53:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> But Gamepedia was still a well run company by the staff that worked there, it would've been better off sold to another company, anyone but Fandom.
[18:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo, replying to originalauthority> That's literally everything Fandom works on now, even though they promised open source UCP years ago.
[18:56:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> Although, this is from the same company that denied they were owned by a financial investment company for years. (TPG Capital)
[19:00:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aeywoo> I'm just glad that GiantBomb escaped Fandom when they could,  it's privately owned by its staff.
[19:06:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> fellas need an advice
[19:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] what version of linux will be better for a ~15 y/o old desktop currently used solely as a file vault and for web surfing
[19:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] gaming is unlikely to happen
[19:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and users are boomers
[19:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> maybe torrenting once in a blue moon lol
[19:12:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to aeywoo> They just lie
[19:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Lubuntu maybe or Triseqel (if you want fuly FOSS)
[20:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <foorgor_3> https://tenor.com/view/humbled-cat-gif-bie-gif-17493722235118145820
[20:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Linux mint is always a go to with former windows users too, though admittedly it's been a minute since I used any flavor
[20:37:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Thinking on it, windows 11 is a lot more Linuxy in its design language these days. Neat.
[20:37:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I am an Ubuntu fan
[20:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> I profoundly hate snaps
[20:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> So i cannot cope with ubuntu
[20:40:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Opensuse
[20:40:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Although zypper is just as bad
[20:44:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yoshi459292927370272> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1423772676417392871/IMG_3039.webp?ex=68e18722&is=68e035a2&hm=0632237f8e9526ff21c6b709e924915aeb10cff0bef967ccb3b3c022355453a0&
[20:46:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] it's just the old guy barely can handle win 10, and i certainly won't put 11 
[20:46:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] i would rollback to 7 if not for lack of security updates
[20:47:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> had to update to 10 because of steam but now nobody is gaming on it anymore
[20:59:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> something i really wish happened on miraheze is that css actually worked there (so skins without proper light mode can't flashbang you)
[21:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> [1/3] so it just doesn't blind you if you're in preferences or stuff
[21:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1423777090284683447/image.png?ex=68e18b3e&is=68e039be&hm=82b52953e624d3139b7a7f358e9160711b129648ab0abd0d989344e5a584c961&
[21:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1423777090695598100/image.png?ex=68e18b3e&is=68e039be&hm=22fe0262cc5ec4d38d86348b979f20315081b74ef84fc6cc03cd6e0d72f0adec&
[21:02:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> yay css safety concerns
[21:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i do wonder if we can store it in mw-config just in case
[21:02:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to blankeclair> how does that work?
[21:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [1/11] ```
[21:04:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [2/11] body::before {
[21:04:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [3/11]     display: block;
[21:04:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [4/11]     position: fixed;
[21:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [5/11]     top: 0;
[21:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [6/11]     left: 0;
[21:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [7/11]     width: 100vw;
[21:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [8/11]     height: 100vh;
[21:04:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [9/11]     content: "Your Miraheze account has been disabled. Call 1 800 MIRA HEZE to reenable.";
[21:04:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [10/11] }
[21:04:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to squidenial> [11/11] ```
[21:04:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> i see i see
[21:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> sucks tbh
[21:05:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> yeah :p
[21:05:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> praying that we will be able to add css in those pages one day (cause i'm sick of being flashbanged 🍠
[21:07:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to squidenial> I wouldn't hold my breath for that tbh
[21:07:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to blankeclair> -# (since i'm stupid how does that work aswell)
[21:07:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to squidenial> basically storing the CSS in our super secret place only Tech can edit directly
[21:08:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> oh?
[21:08:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> it would theoretically make it safer more or less because any changes would go through them instead of wiki admins being able to just edit stuff like in common.css
[21:09:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> not gonna lie that would be cool
[21:09:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> although i have no experience with mediawiki itself so i can't tell
[21:09:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> perhaps, but that'd add more work for a team already kind of full of work so I wouldn't hold my breath for that either unfortunately
[21:09:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to bluemoon0332> poor girl's css review process
[21:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> one day it will become reality
[21:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> when the tech team is like 40 people
[21:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial, replying to bluemoon0332> yeah
[21:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> not saying it won't happen, but it's going to be a while
[21:11:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> when we finally figure out how to make somerandomdeveloper 2
[21:12:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> he must be real good at those mediawiki stuff if you guys want to make a clone of him lol
[21:14:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> everyone on that team is good at mediawiki
[21:15:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squidenial> indeed
[21:16:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> mfw i'm too busy loving myself to be productive xD
[21:19:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> [1/2] wow, my first Gentoo commit got merged 🥳 
[21:19:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> [2/2] https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/commit/edf36664496e3789b3a01beedd288f79456e6577
[21:22:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> also, a bit of a curious note, it seems spambots are looking at emails on that repo, because, wouldn't you believe it, I got chosen for two crypto airdrops or whatever for my commits to crypto projects
[21:35:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to pskyechology> will there be a threequel
[22:06:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I am still writing my Hunger Games fanfics, but well, I cannot share as they are NSFW
[22:33:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> Does anybody know a good and free IRC bouncer? I needed one yesterday and registered on irccloud, but my free trial will be expiring in 6 days; and I'm currently not able to self-host one
[22:35:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> ooooooo @blankeclair
[22:36:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> hiiiiii~
[22:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to abaddriverlol> you're the good and free bouncer for ^
[22:37:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> kdhejxhwjxhsjxhwjxbajxbwxjhwzjasjbs
[23:05:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Why are weeks 7 days long, they’d be so much easier to plan around if they were six or eight smh
[23:06:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> mystic 3 day weekend:
[23:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> hi chat
[23:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> i'm just kinda watching from the sidelines as bluesky catches fire what's everyone else doing
[23:41:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to groupnebula563_0765> how are they catching fire
[23:42:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to pskyechology> uh
[23:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> ceo is being transphobic and, as the kids say, "crashing out"