[00:04:48] Always are and majorly flawed [00:04:52] Even I work on one [00:05:01] And it’s very much a flawed system [00:07:00] as a reception will user I can confirm they are very toxic and lacking in competence in terms of its users [00:07:07] Like the amount of wars I have to deal with [00:07:21] Is shocking to say the least even over the most minor things in existence [00:07:29] And they still find a way just to complain about it [00:48:44] wait templatestyles allows `html.xx` selectors?! [00:49:39] i thought it prepends `.mw-parser-output ` to all [00:50:36] templatestyles the most weird ext and sanitizedcss the most mysterious content model, definitely [00:58:18] Yep. It'll just put insert `.mw-parser-output` in the middle. [01:08:28] [1/2] That's good to know [01:08:28] [2/2] I remember leaving bits of dark mode specific template css in global css since I thought you can't do that with templatestyles [01:45:38] i think templatestyles has literally zero documentation on all its weird behaviors [01:46:42] fine this one is documented on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles [01:48:36] this one is not documented https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1441706326177611839 [01:53:52] [1/2] I think the main issue is that extension updates don't reach users easily. Patch notes are usually not very helpful. [01:53:52] [2/2] Imagine if we can have a much more detailed https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki/1.44 documenting every breakage and feature addition for popular extensions. [02:24:53] We dont have really any realistic time enough people are able to do it sadly [02:41:13] is there a place to track updates of all installed skins and exts? [02:42:28] sometimes they just updated and caused some broken display i need to find out proactively [02:50:51] (i can even set each edits on the wiki to email me but not ext updates to email me) [03:21:48] [1/2] til monobook has styled VE [03:21:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1441992103667175444/1763868103989.png?ex=6923cf4c&is=69227dcc&hm=9bf3b0092e4ac6ebdaa25b44b51777246104f5eb92a66da216c5ea8918413705& [03:26:56] [1/2] Not that I know of. Personally, there's nothing preventing me from shipping an update to ImgTag without notifying anyone, but good extension maintainers should have changelogs like this one: [03:26:56] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.44 [03:27:39] E.g. Citizen's release notes: https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/releases/tag/v3.10.0 [03:28:21] Why am I seeing Amero of all people in the list of contributors. [03:28:54] Nvm. He's working on voca.wiki, so it makes sense that he is contributing to Citizen. [04:48:55] a moegirlpedia partial fork? cool [06:13:11] imagine making a wikidump of moegirlpedia [06:18:43] [1/2] Yep. I guess you're not familiar with VC/VJ people. VC made their fork (https://vcpedia.cn/) a while ago (more than a year), but it's hosted in mainland China where cloud serers are a lot more expensive, so the site is less responsive. VJ made their fork recently after the Variables extension got removed and external images got disabled. They seem to be [06:18:43] [2/2] doing very well since most active VJ editors moved over to the new site. [06:19:41] ik vcpedia [06:19:46] i mean a fork using citizen [06:20:38] looks fresh [06:24:34] [1/2] VLW's dump is around 5GB uncompressed IIRC. Moegirlpedia has about 4x the number of revisions and longer page sizes, so the dump would be 20GB or more. [06:24:35] [2/2] And then there's images/audio files, which would be around 300GB in size. [06:24:47] oh no, i forgot about the files... [06:25:27] that being said, i have this dump: -rw-r--r-- 1 claire claire 29G Nov 15 05:41 yugipedia.com-20251114-wikidump/yugipedia.com-20251114-history.xml [06:28:05] it does best in cc's attribution term while keeping the server in mainland [06:29:04] huijiwiki does worst definitely [06:39:42] <90gq29> [1/2] has ai peaked [06:39:42] <90gq29> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1442041904735846410/AOw8Awz.mp4?ex=6923fdad&is=6922ac2d&hm=8845199e4469f768214c0f988632589a44269f2d81cb9107596ed89d9aab5594& [06:50:48] meow~ [06:58:29] Cat bread [07:00:41] 8k humans [07:01:19] OH SHIT [07:01:21] YEAHHH [07:01:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1442047428906717195/IMG_3362.png?ex=692402d2&is=6922b152&hm=de11994cf9dc181c4e915a15dba5ea8e13c04553ba386b0fe2f9656cda998b15& [07:01:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1442047480001859726/cachedVideo.mov?ex=692402df&is=6922b15f&hm=0945a584f9b3d5934ff24ab91b877895f91a5bd4239e0aa175c4d324da4cec15& [08:09:11] AI sludge ⚠️ ☠️ [08:13:51] the message literally says "has ai peaked", we know lol [08:14:07] yeah ik [08:14:32] I just have a tendency to reply with "AI slop" or "AI sludge" regardless of the AI vid [09:03:33] how are wikioasis and skywiki compared to miraheze? [09:08:19] it hasn't, it just uses a different OOUI theme (apex) [09:08:31] oh til [09:08:33] thanks <3 [10:45:37] smaller, informal, probably more personal, actual management may vary greatly, easier to get in and host a slightly broader range of things [10:46:11] everything in this space has some record for drama so I suppose mentioning that would be throwing stones in a glass house [10:49:31] better get recorded on [[Help:Comparing Miraheze to other services]] maybe [10:49:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Comparing_Miraheze_to_other_services [10:49:43]

[10:55:22] that page is one of those things that's just kind of a mess [10:55:59] its also too easy for an 'official' list like that to go dated and be editorialized in one direction or another, a shame because I'd like something like that to be quite objective [10:57:16] oh it's a lot more just checkbox based than I remember [10:57:23] not sure how much more that does but it's something [10:57:49] maybe I should pop out an essay on current options on the market and my 2c and see if that helps, I have pretty broad exposure [11:00:51] I could also comment on fuzzy things like my experience with mywiki or some of the funniness of wikioasis or skywiki in ways less appropriate for a general neutral page [11:01:24] every such comparison goes dated. https://www.mywikis.com/compare this paid service says miraheze doesn't allow cirrussearch which is obviously not true at least now [11:01:45] that's something I'm actually going to be able to talk about with mywikis [11:01:50] I will have a few things to say about them in general [11:01:54] but later [11:03:12] `Other free services` on the page reminds me of several services but also unlike wikioasis/skywiki [11:04:01] yeaaaaa [11:04:49] end note [7] is also a bit not accurate now https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454581249/1431165610917761024 [11:06:39] ||they should say miraheze doesn't allow to turn miser mode off|| [14:33:36] 👀 [14:48:34] moving here before we get our heads bit off @rhinosf1 [14:48:50] but yeah, I imagine the BoE will have something to say ahead of the budget [14:48:56] interest rates likely to go up I bet [14:49:06] double homicide [14:51:36] @originalauthority no interest rates between now and the budget [14:51:44] They kept them stable instead of dropping [14:51:48] I can't see them going up [14:51:52] That would be bad for me [14:51:56] Just not going down [14:53:17] its largely useless though if the BoE do anything tbf [14:53:28] inflation is very real even if the BoE won't acknowledge it [14:53:36] prices going up every week everywhere [14:53:40] I'll probably be buying a flat late next year [14:53:57] So I need something good for flat buyers [14:59:24] good luck [15:01:55] AI bubble will probably pop by then and plunge us into another depression [15:38:12] with how much of the US economy now is like OpenAI, man, the whole world will be getting the Great Depression experience [15:40:00] She doesn't need to be too generous cause I don't want everyone benefiting [15:40:19] I'm like very close to the line though so the tiniest bit of help would just edge it the right way [17:34:36] I wanna work on wiki stuff but I'm not at home, pain and suffering [17:36:31] I'm bored but not bored enough to deal with the funkyness of mobile bahaha [18:57:42] [1/3] How to draw a horse: draw a unicorn and remove the horn. [18:57:42] [2/3] How to draw a unicorn: draw a horse and add a horn. [18:57:43] [3/3] How to draw a horn: draw a unicorn and remove the horse [18:57:58] [1/3] How to draw a horse: draw a unicorn and remove the horn. [18:57:59] [2/3] How to draw a unicorn: draw a horse and add a horn. [18:57:59] [3/3] How to draw a horn: draw a unicorn and remove the horse [19:08:18] i just had a dream where a school game was commanding a soviet submarine into the united states without getting detected [19:08:41] it had like a high death count and we had to wear these claustrophobic feeling helmets [21:33:01] [1/2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu7HoGZaspo [21:33:01] [2/2] Here is that song btw [21:34:12] Song of these old songs are still bangers [22:08:21] Does anybody esle like Warhammer 40,000? [22:24:07] Never seen it spelled like that lol [22:28:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBROywVAESs [22:30:00] i never dabbled, heard some stuff about its world here and there, kinda cool [22:30:18] I like the setting and read into its lore and have read a bunch of books as pdfs [23:25:19] [1/2] how does google make these radius in the bottom [23:25:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1442294977840283699/image.png?ex=6924e95f&is=692397df&hm=5dfb4c3f9ab02a1ef0e58d91f886451a97de792ebe5d413fe69464fe9bd2cdae& [23:48:33] huh?