[00:49:55] did miraheze wikis recently become a part of google ai? google ai been getting info from a wiki in miraheze [00:57:31] Gemini will just crawl whatever it can like most AIs [00:59:17] blocking google would also tank us in searching [01:07:08] actually on the topic of that [01:07:17] anyone know any good and entirely AI free search engines [01:15:11] Duckduckgo has an AI free option but I've heard it's quit working as good as it used to [01:20:20] as far as I know gemini doesn't scrape the pages itself, rather it uses the results from google search, which uses googlebot's scraping to index and rank pages [01:21:11] you'll have to say bye bye to appearing in google searches if you dont want gemini to know [02:44:42] Pretty sure they also use Bings index, so you're in no better position there because Microsoft is likely feeding its index to Copilot (and probably ChatGPT) [02:54:29] [1/2] thank you to those who made suggestions. Ended up with having collapsed headers in the navbox to sort out the rest. Still a bit too cluttered but on a better track than before. [02:54:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1457567904965984399/image.png?ex=695c7964&is=695b27e4&hm=e0018043ccfcb82f04cfa63de1dd2c53013517d4996c027fb1e7d2d8078a487e& [02:59:24] Hello there I am now 13 years old and I am autistic [04:20:29] ok? [04:25:02] ??? [04:36:54] They came to appeal a ban and was redirected to the appropriate means to do so. [05:35:06] Apparently AI-assisted search engine is a really good thing if you want to beat Fandoom's SEO [05:35:27] (not the summary tool) [06:30:55] I don’t want ai assisted anything for anything [06:31:17] I would frankly prefer to never have to hear those two letters again [06:33:56] AI Ai AI AI AI [06:35:51] [1/2] fuck you, now you have to live with the knowledge that this exists /j [06:35:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1457623612067414167/IMG_8547.mov?ex=695cad46&is=695b5bc6&hm=118df644b5a07f7968fbebf144c4b6d1b900020e852756488d7cbb25a470298e& [06:36:50] enjoy [06:37:50] WgT thebfuck [06:38:01] @groupnebula563_0765 seend li k to uour wikk [06:38:42] ??? [06:38:54] Aend link to uour Wikk [06:39:08] yo uour grokipedia [06:39:09] http://chinafake.wiki <— here’s you go [06:41:20] I like that notice thing [06:41:41] thanks! :) [06:41:47] it’s just a standard template iirc [06:42:23] Oh my gooood??? [06:42:30] HOW MANY SKINS DO HOU BAVE NEABLED [06:42:50] thanks i consider this my css skin test wiki [06:45:39] https://chinafake.wiki/Skin_Test_ Page gueh [06:45:49] I like to give people customization what can I say [06:46:32] Additionally, to see how they work in miraheze itself [06:47:13] [1/2] i can really read these [06:47:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1457626476555010109/Screenshot_20260105-034656.png?ex=695caff1&is=695b5e71&hm=334de85d71ed021e7a2a622c2af72e653b394e2cb5f3749a0a0411232c015f86& [06:47:41] twin why are you using socialprofile [06:48:42] it lets you do blogs and comments and such [06:48:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187481037064904745/1373215735492640810/togif.gif [06:49:08] I’d honestly prefer not to have it but the extensions we use kind of require it [06:49:09] i think you miss fandom features [06:49:29] there are some I like and others I don’t [06:49:54] plus we forked from fandom so we want to give our users a somewhat familiar experience [06:51:06] oh just a heads up you still have Twitter on your profile /gen [06:51:11] might wanna take that off there [06:51:19] why so [06:55:23] removed [07:29:55] same [07:30:16] uh [07:30:29] miraheze, wiki.gg, and all non-fandom/non-fextralife wikis must unconditionally be AI-free zones [07:31:05] any wiki in general too but still [07:31:22] if you still use Twitter as your main social platform in the year of our lord twenty twenty six after all the stuff they’ve done (especially recently, I don’t think I can even say it here but it involves image generation) then I do not respect you as a human being [07:31:48] but I digress [07:32:33] every community I’m in currently has a no AI rule or at least restricts its use heavily and I would like to keep it that way thank you very much [07:32:51] same [07:33:29] though the main wikis I edit are either on wiki.gg or Weird Gloop, both of which automatically ban all LLM usage [07:33:51] yeah [07:33:54] even if those bans weren't put in place, I'd put them in anyway [07:34:08] so does the (indie) Chinafake Wiki [07:34:15] shame Miraheze doesn’t have one of those but [07:34:36] kinda wish Miraheze had an AI policy just like wiki.gg [07:34:46] https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/AI_policy [07:35:00] but the real question would be how do you enforce it though [07:36:24] honestly just [07:36:33] having it there would already be a step up [07:40:21] yeah [07:40:37] whether it'd be enforced can be an entirely different question [07:41:25] but having at least a set of unenforced guidelines along the lines of "please preferably don't use AI for your content" would be great to have [07:44:15] enforcing that would indeed be quite a bitch [07:44:51] unless you all wish to be victims of burnout by dealing with endless genAI reports [07:45:26] yeah [07:45:42] though thankfully, it seems quite uncommon for me at least [07:46:02] i mean you're more than welcome to get a new RfC going [07:46:05] you can just do that [07:46:17] I did entirely clear AI slop on a couple of wikis on Fandom and one on wiki.gg [07:46:44] ok [07:48:09] i do suggest looking at where the old one might've gone wrong tho https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Generative_AI_policy [07:49:59] [1/3] > If you use AI to generate CSS, wikitext, or Lua code for you and test it, and it works, you don't need to necessarily understand the code. However, if you later need help customizing the AI-generated code, you must disclose to the Miraheze volunteer(s) that it was AI-created, and we reserve the right to decline assistance depending on the complexity. It is recommended that th [07:50:00] [2/3] e user includes a disclosure that the code was AI-generated. [07:50:00] [3/3] I know that this specific rule originated from the wiki.gg policy lol [07:51:15] i sleep well at night not getting into fixing people's CSS/JS [07:52:31] (she says as it is 09:51, approximately 20 hours after she woke up) [07:57:07] The article as it is written leaves some gaps. If someone using gen-AI content _with_ review, it is not explicitly forbidden but not listed as the exception either. [08:05:52] I experimented with it a while back on https://stellasora.miraheze.org/wiki/United_Harvest. LLMs have a very odd style of writing, don't omit details when they should, and sometimes doesn't have sufficient context to tell what something means. Their main strength is the ability to ingest lots of information and cover the slightest details (besides being extremely prolific). [08:13:48] [1/2] llm is all predicting. [08:13:49] [2/2] It doesn't know the contexts, even their "memory" is lossy as far as I can tell. [08:15:10] Memory loss + prediction = hallucination [08:23:31] One cool feature about llm is that their knowledge before you input anything is a lot so it perform best when tell it to translate. [08:23:36] [1/2] Yeah. I used to feed thousands of lines of story text to it, but as far as I can tell once they increase to tens of thousands of lines the result gets worse. [08:23:36] [2/2] My current setup searches for useful keywords in the story text to keep the context as short as possible, which has helped a lot. [08:25:17] Just tried writing another article https://stellasora.miraheze.org/wiki/Tawny_Nightingale by hand and I definitely miss how LLMs can just insert `` tags for me. There's no way I can do the same while remaining sane. [08:25:33] We quite decidedly rejected having one at RfC [08:26:03] Although most of the reason behind that is the RfC was a pile of shit and the writer was warned it would never be accepted in its current form but went ahead anyway [08:42:27] We did put a valiant effort in on edits, but realistically a top down policy without a legal mandate for the foundation to take action w/I community consent was fundamentally doomed [08:42:41] We have too many wikis with too many use cases [08:46:36] translation i suppose [08:47:55] by "ai" i mean "large language models and other such generative ai" [08:48:07] machine learning i'm all for [10:05:13] [1/2] I was reading wiki.gg's updates https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/TULIPS/2025-11-06 and saw their `

` and `

` tag. These are pretty similar with https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Collapse but I just can't pick good colors and ended up producing another template with mediocre looks. [10:05:14] [2/2] Would love to hear color suggestions from y'all that preferably uses Codex tokens. [10:06:20] Yeah. In the case of wiki.gg or Weird Gloop, you have more formal/curated wikis, so enforcing such a policy would make more sense than on Miraheze. [10:08:08] Including wikis that are straight up documenting AI nonsense, e.g. italian brainrot wiki. [10:08:22] While it's a legitimate use case, it's hard to square with the proposed policy [10:09:18] Yeah, but documenting AI content is one thing, but using LLM to document something is an entirely different scenario. [10:10:09] That's still a funny wiki though lol [14:53:54] hello my mirahezians [14:55:10] https://tenor.com/view/goog-goog-cat-googcat-gif-15010541579753907209 [14:58:32] Hewwo [18:24:47] hoi [20:29:44] goog