[00:03:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to blankeclair> thats one helluva nap to restore the brain's function of spelling
[00:03:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i was really eepy, okayyyyyyyyyyyy
[00:03:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> wish i could nap like that
[00:04:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> isnt sleeping like a really long nap
[00:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> yea
[00:20:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] that looks cute
[00:20:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475648488313327666/image.png?ex=699e403f&is=699ceebf&hm=08edeaa4c474c63c08fab78c4d18a02129cb717dc061ecfa3bb220011c8ae42c&
[00:47:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] i don't know what possesed me to make the infobox look like wikipedia's in term of style
[00:47:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475655399653773454/Screenshot_20260223-2146472.png?ex=699e46af&is=699cf52f&hm=5295974fda856867ab87933b84b46473754a017d558a9277b9c895e0287051ba&
[01:02:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> _writing MediaWiki job queue from scratch because fuck Redis_
[01:08:17] <BlankEclair>	 ouch
[01:09:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> just use WMF's overengineered stack /s
[01:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> you only need changeprop, kafka, eventgate and the 10 other things required to set it up
[01:09:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I don't really like the idea of using Kafka for something it was never really designed to do
[01:09:58] <BlankEclair>	 what's wrong with good ol' runJobs /hj
[01:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to abaddriverlol> Didn’t we move to Kafka
[01:10:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> yup
[01:10:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to originalauthority> I don't know what it was designed for so in my mind it's designed for mediawiki job queues
[01:10:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] plus I wanted priorities as standard for jobs like createwiki so they run before non important jobs like htmlCacheUpdate etc
[01:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475661139638751322/Screenshot_2026-02-24_at_01.10.01.png?ex=699e4c08&is=699cfa88&hm=103a765d5aac83b2578a8fcc217d3ca2e9826f2c5498fda895cbb258464da6c5&
[01:10:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to abaddriverlol> As a message queue
[01:10:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to originalauthority> we have that too in changeprop
[01:11:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> unrelated, but i'm kinda curious how non-wmf wikis are dealing w/ archive.today
[01:11:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to abaddriverlol> fair
[01:11:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> <https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/blob/7b29cc3b823dfc785278c1fb4d2217af51e60957/hieradata/hosts/changeprop202.yaml#L122>
[01:11:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to blankeclair> what's archive.today
[01:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> archive.org's only notable alternative
[01:13:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> at least for web pages
[01:20:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to abaddriverlol> [1/2] Do you know where these jobs come from? https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/blob/7b29cc3b823dfc785278c1fb4d2217af51e60957/hieradata/hosts/changeprop202.yaml#L47
[01:20:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to abaddriverlol> [2/2] I don't see it in echo or core, or EventBus
[01:22:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> oh GrowthExperiments
[01:27:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to raidarr> megalodon and ghostarchive: 👁️👄👁️
[01:28:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> literally never heard of them so there we go
[01:28:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> are they tiny or do they have quite the repo and my head has been under a rock
[01:29:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’d heard of Ghostarchive before
[01:49:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to originalauthority> We undeployed that when we upgraded to 1.44 lol
[02:29:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> Ghostarchive is like the third notable one
[02:29:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> I don’t think it’s a close third though
[03:41:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I’ve seen Megalodon a few times
[04:17:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540, replying to justleafy2003> We need more ``{{Citation needed}}``. /j
[04:17:53] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Citation_needed 
[06:15:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to pixldev> nah, she's not new
[06:15:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to bartomelow> ew, bad wiki
[06:16:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to wickerbasket2540> c'mon mainstream media, talk more about wikis!!!
[06:23:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> okay talks about wikipedia
[06:24:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> other than wikipedia
[06:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> ffs talk more about miraheze and wiki.gg
[06:26:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> fandom was discussed about a lot, but only cuz it is more mainstream and is known for going downhill lol
[06:30:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> And ads. 😭
[07:03:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> true
[07:03:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> when I mean controversies, I mean everything 😭
[07:03:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475750037643329607/image.png?ex=699e9ed3&is=699d4d53&hm=98fa02babd628de3c2351cfdda1b5087605c04784722f94d6f45522f737ac8dd&
[09:06:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to justleafy2003> the biggest fandom hater of history
[09:07:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to bartomelow> a wiki only becomes bad if it is the fandom counterpart of a wiki that already got forked
[09:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> e.g. before sep 2023, i'd say minecraft fandom wiki is good cuz it's the best wiki we had at the time. the moment when it forked, it became bad and the new one is good
[09:10:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> and only cuz the fandom one is redundant, on an inferior platform, and doesn't really offer info the new one doesn't have
[09:14:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> likewise, wikis like star wars, star trek, genshin impact, which are all still on fandom, are still good wikis because they're the best ones, but if they ever do manage to fork, the new wiki would be the good one in my eyes and the fandom counterpart would be the "bad" one
[10:58:24] <BlankEclair>	 https://lyra.horse/x86css/
[10:58:26] <BlankEclair>	 why
[11:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [1/2] Also, the reversed colored MediaWiki logo is pretty
[11:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475815854473089034/Screenshot_from_2026-02-24_11-24-31.png?ex=699edc1f&is=699d8a9f&hm=fe4d039a543a1e1f7c3fd41a791190309c618a7bd7ee14e47a188adaebd24b16&
[11:29:24] <BlankEclair>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_MediaWiki_developer_bi
[14:46:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to eytirth> it's so gay
[14:50:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] gayy
[14:50:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475867530471149743/image0.png?ex=699f0c3f&is=699dbabf&hm=72d8de31193d02d7d8ba6b947b1b726b375ccbdfd44859b1bc03845350ea775c&
[14:55:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cascalade> who made my mediawiki gay
[14:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to cascalade> the water made the mediawiki gay!!!!!
[14:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> they're making our water gay
[14:55:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> yay
[14:56:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> mediawiki is... WOKE!?!
[14:57:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> mediawoke
[15:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [1/3] It took me so long to realise that I can detect \n as a delimiter inside the lua to allow for multi line inputs, I was using the <!-- --> to comment out the new line for the past year or more lmaoooooooo
[15:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475873104160100514/image.png?ex=699f1170&is=699dbff0&hm=e317292eed353ab2be569ee4daae8386943267995c591e3e2bd243b566c3fd15&
[15:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475873104826728448/image.png?ex=699f1170&is=699dbff0&hm=4ce3aa63362973cbd5f8a4532b3c4c71fea2973c5ea57e091c82641615510db5&
[15:14:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> the <!-- --> was originally suggested to me back then by someone to allow for multi line input of entries along side delim
[15:14:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> cant believe they gave lua templates parseritis mediawikicus
[15:17:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [1/2] evolving the template by the day
[15:17:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475874179919380641/image.png?ex=699f1270&is=699dc0f0&hm=b068687636795d7f5abcf2a3d5374179319b6f7ce0403415ee5e6536c96f5059&
[15:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to pskyechology> mediawoki
[19:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] https://github.com/Wikivy/SimpleForum
[19:43:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] im curious on how this works
[19:44:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bartomelow> Given the user, probably doesn’t
[19:44:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> do you know something about them
[19:44:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to pixldev> damn what did they do to get roasted for free
[19:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pskyechology> It’s Wikivy Skye
[19:45:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to pixldev> no I know but i thought your message is directed at the one and only contributor (user)
[19:46:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> No, I’m going off the org
[19:46:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to bartomelow> attempt to pass CA's SUL3 changes as thier own to WO https://github.com/WikiOasis/mw-config/pull/9 lmao
[19:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Targeting Wikivy more broadly, also that funny thing of copyvioing a smorgasbord of our own polices onto their meta wiki
[19:48:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> wikivy is sure a name
[19:49:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> On that note, we've been in touch, and will be sending over a list to them in a bit to remedy
[19:50:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to notaracham> <https://meta.wikivy.com/wiki/Special:Log/import> is a good start if you need it
[19:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/4] interesting, they changed their main page design style 
[19:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/4] -# left is the current design, right is the previous design
[19:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475943581041557566/Screenshot_20260224-165209.png?ex=699f5313&is=699e0193&hm=4aae1ae3055988b63a41e0a3d74086ba8ea437f3ea6de6aec1525e422d8051c6&
[19:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475943581456928948/Screenshot_20260220-170443.png?ex=699f5313&is=699e0193&hm=d2c4a2be887cc888617dec8e46ef74d0b9ca0be5aec2381eab94652a930abe1b&
[19:54:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> funny that they're hosting an reception wiki
[20:02:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> Savage
[20:04:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No CSRF validation on rest endpoints oop
[20:05:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Uh oh
[20:05:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> who's/what's wikivy and what are they up to
[20:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Also why are they passing LBFactory handles about lmao
[20:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to justleafy2003> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475946968198025236/image.png?ex=699f563a&is=699e04ba&hm=74f53650ceac6bda9cb35f75ecf59e1945acb3d5b7b141106535bd1715d623c6&
[20:07:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> idk which wiki you opened but that aint their metawiki lol
[20:08:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to justleafy2003> another wikifarm that has seemingly ripped a shitload of stuff from miraheze
[20:08:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> commiting many copyright violations doing so
[20:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to pskyechology> I know lol
[20:08:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> https://moviepedia.wikivy.com/
[20:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> it's this wiki
[20:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I just found that funny
[20:09:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to tangoer_man> damn
[20:09:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> where exactly?
[20:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to justleafy2003> basically the entire site from what ive seen
[20:14:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> crazy
[20:14:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> yeah those few wikis all look like copied garbage
[20:17:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] wowzers, another wiki using the monaco skin
[20:17:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://moonmusume.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[20:22:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> peak skin
[20:25:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to justleafy2003> true
[20:25:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> wish it had most of the original skin features though
[20:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1475957620178161845/IMG_6044.png?ex=699f6026&is=699e0ea6&hm=a0d00e425114ef96374ce5b33235f81bc4603993d9e98960be6c8887904e063f&
[20:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [1/2] I love my geometry
[20:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [2/2] (No the hell I don’t; it sucks)
[20:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [1/2] But still
[20:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [2/2] Shapes look cool togrther
[20:56:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> seems very scp inspired
[21:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to pskyechology> iirc it is an scp thing