[00:40:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to pixldev> Oh god no
[00:41:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> https://tenor.com/view/roasted-spongebob-coffin-gif-5703731
[00:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> I miss chainmail...
[00:42:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> throws an grenade in
[00:42:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Fuck no!!
[00:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> -# i forgor what else i was gonna write...
[00:46:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Eternal rest
[00:46:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> Finally I wanna sleeeeep
[00:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> a:Tehe:
[00:47:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> You must learn the joys of Mario Kart Wii
[00:48:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> I'm too busy.
[00:48:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> So I'd rather not..
[01:14:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kai84> Because Timeless sucks
[08:34:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Okay okay... timeless SORT OF sucks
[08:36:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I heavily dislike how it's compatibility for mobile functions, I hate how it makes customising the skin much more annoying with the "border-width"s and etc, I dislike the icons it uses yeah yeah it's cool to have it's own icons but Codex ones are far more superior
[08:38:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kai84> Also no, I want it to be hidden at all times
[09:01:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [1/2] Rip Database
[09:01:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1504770596167352502/Screenshot_2026-05-15_15.44.38.png?ex=6a083253&is=6a06e0d3&hm=6f8e8e3ac7b85aad0ae481608ebe846e88e93c07862b6980951d717071f3a59a&
[10:54:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> nein nein nein nein
[10:56:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to pixldev> [1/2] Are you...a nazi :sus: (/j)
[10:56:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to pixldev> [2/2] Only one would say that much nein
[10:56:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ??????
[10:56:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> insane thing to say
[10:57:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> 😭
[10:57:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Fearless, the German language is not inherently
[10:57:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bartomelow> I also don't really like how it has some styles by default
[10:57:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> This, is not something I should need to say
[10:58:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to bartomelow> the timeless cat
[10:58:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kai84> I like the cat
[10:58:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Not the borders the skin add by default though
[10:59:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> the joys of css
[10:59:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> What does that mean
[11:09:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> u can change it
[11:46:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Yeah but it shouldn't come by default
[11:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kai84> The styling for mobile isn't any better either
[12:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Finally figured out how to remove the shoutwiki logos on nimbus
[12:56:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to amelialoveheart> Oh?
[12:57:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Show
[13:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/7] ```#sw-category {
[13:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/7]     display: none !important;
[13:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [3/7] }
[13:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [4/7] #sw-logo{
[13:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [5/7]     display:none!important;
[13:01:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [6/7] }```
[13:01:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [7/7] It's embarrassingly simple that I only now realized this.
[13:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1504831185627381942/image.png?ex=6a086ac1&is=6a071941&hm=19ee64fbab6ca0943b170bd3abf891e1094e1aafc233109f991b3addc137fb4c&
[13:08:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to amelialoveheart> My biggest criticism agaisnt this skin is how it doesn't display the notifications
[13:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> That stinks
[13:48:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> change your name to fearful
[13:52:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I said no as in inconvenience more then fear lmao
[14:48:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> timeless using codex icons when
[15:09:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> What do you think are cliche colors folr wiki themes?
[15:16:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bartomelow> one day all of these issues will be gone
[16:19:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> ngl fandomdesktop is extremely laggy because they use animations AND a bunch of scripts to track you, probably
[16:21:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> with no way of disabling the animations
[16:56:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> [1/2] Browsers be like: Scrolling is fine.
[16:56:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> [2/2] Any animations would set your device on fire.
[17:24:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> there's a reduced motion preference that in theory websites should respect
[17:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to unai> Whats the CSS class for that?
[17:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> [1/3] @media (prefers-reduced-motion: reduce) {
[17:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> [2/3] ...
[17:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> [3/3] }
[17:28:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to unai> Do skins, like Minerva Neue, Vector 2022 and Citizen support that class?
[17:30:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to bartomelow> That's CSS, support is there regardless, but if you mean actual adoption of that feature, it depends on the implementation
[17:31:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> MW does respect it for some extensions, and I love how [Citizen](https://starcitizentools.github.io/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/features/performance-mode) handled it
[17:33:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> -# Also, I'd say a worse offender nowadays are the blurred background wikis 🙈
[17:38:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to unai> Can't they just blur the background in the process of making the image instead
[17:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to bartomelow> In some situations, yes
[17:41:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to unai> Why?
[17:42:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to eytirth> "Frosted" glass effect with moving objects (i.e scrolling) means it has to recompute blur every time it moves and it's a little heavy
[17:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Here they cover it in detail https://www.f22labs.com/blogs/how-css-properties-affect-website-performance/
[17:51:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to unai> How heavy is linear-gradient
[17:52:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to eytirth> lightweight
[17:52:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> if you stack hundreds maybe i'd call it heavy
[17:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> (and yes, there are people who do)
[17:53:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to unai> Blur is not  really my thing personally
[17:54:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to unai> (note: heavy) <https://diana-adrianne.com/purecss-francine/>
[17:54:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> this was made with css
[17:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to unai> Holy hell
[18:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to unai> excuse me???
[18:07:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> with CSS??
[18:07:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> linear gradients?
[18:07:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> https://diana-adrianne.com/
[18:07:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> duuude
[18:07:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> css art is a whole thing its great
[18:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> one of my friends made a css art course
[18:08:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> He's so good
[18:08:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to unai> show
[18:08:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> unfortunately it's in spanish but you can see the source code
[18:09:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> <https://codepen.io/manz>
[18:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> (the casio one is my fav)
[18:10:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to bartomelow> MediaWiki core has a CSS style that disables all CSS transitions. That's opt-out for all skins so probably very few skins don't have it
[18:13:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to unai> holy shit
[19:24:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Also, is it me or is blur on the content area really darn unreable?
[19:42:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to eytirth> that's the point :fuckasslaughing:
[19:43:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> some people use it to redact spoilers out
[20:04:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Telepedia = Teletubbies wiki farm
[20:04:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> @originalauthority is my fact correct
[21:02:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Do you guys enjoy vertical tabs or horizontal tabs better?
[21:02:46] <Crystalite13>	 Horizontal
[21:02:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> horizontal
[21:03:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> im  on a horizontal device
[21:07:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kai84> What
[21:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> why use vertical tabs if im on on a vertical device
[21:10:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I like vertical tabs
[21:11:02] <Crystalite13>	 Bart and kai
[21:11:13] <Crystalite13>	 are talkin bout tabs
[21:28:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> vertical tabs on a vertical device is a virtual waste of space
[21:29:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the opposite logic applies really, if you're squeezed on the vertical I'd think the tabs would be better off horizontal or not necessarily out full time, while if you have plenty horizontal space you can probably afford some for vertical tabs
[21:30:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I personally got tired of the behavior of horizontal tabs and when I tried vertical I was ultimately sold with them although there are places I still use horizontal, usually laziness related
[21:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> I have recently suggested my aunt to use vertical tabs, she seems to like it
[22:00:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to bartomelow> I started using Arc and the vertical tabs are so nice
[22:02:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Arc was nice but it's been "dead" for some time
[22:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> They just update Chromium
[22:40:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yeah I know, I have no interest in AI in my browser though so I'll pass on Dia
[22:41:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Yeah I used AI and the prompts kept getting in my way
[22:42:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> There's not really anything going in the browser space it's all shit
[22:43:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> I like Vivaldi but it takes time to tweak it the way you want
[22:44:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yeah Vivaldi is good, I used that for a few years I can't remember why I switched now tbf
[23:04:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to originalauthority> agreed!!!
[23:04:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> not gonna lie, but vertical tabs are much nicer than horizontal ones
[23:07:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Chrome and Firefox got them now too
[23:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> Copycats bwep
[23:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to daforest> ?
[23:35:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> Chrome and Firefox copying each other