[00:06:41] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/LeidenfrostGIFMadyElbahri.gif/250px-LeidenfrostGIFMadyElbahri.gif [00:06:45] @pskyechology is this true [00:09:35] https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-react-cat-gato-staring-gif-8802024263211486290 [00:55:41] shocked [03:19:09] 👀 [10:24:11] helium browser "bangs" feature is pretty cool [10:24:41] i am getting increasingly tired of chromium wrappers that are "privacy focused" though [13:12:16] Nothing we can really do considering Firefox takes years to add support for many CSS classes [13:13:01] talking like firefox is the problem when safari is right htere [13:13:40] who gaf for safari [13:13:52] when it only works on mac os [13:13:58] and other apple products [13:14:02] I’m too lazy to update from safari [13:14:16] It’s ass but it’s ass I’m used to [13:15:08] I like Helium [13:15:21] looking forward for it to go from beta to a stable release [13:15:24] And ladybird too [13:16:56] literally every iphone user [13:17:28] [1/2] One of the wiki designs of all time [13:17:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1505922272760955001/image.png?ex=6a0c62e8&is=6a0b1168&hm=b7a4b1363f1cae87beb9ae8b7fe6bd2189aa25adcc269dc51d7ae1109d69d76c& [13:18:09] who uses safari on iphone [13:18:52] Me [13:19:27] who apart from Amelia @ Equestripedia (trout) uses safari on iphone [13:19:35] i wont lie it does have a very nice UI [13:19:52] every browser on iphone is safari [13:20:09] what does annoy me is that all the settings for safari are inside the phone settings instead of inside safari [13:20:13] technically eu users get to have different browsers but the rest of us have to live with safari [13:20:20] ???? [13:20:25] is there something i missed [13:20:37] they all use the same browser engine [13:21:03] oh really? [13:21:24] i was not aware [13:21:30] im UK so [13:25:03] i just looked it up they are literally all safari in a different coat [13:26:08] i never expect ladybird to be in a usable state [13:50:40] ladybird kinda hard to get together since requires specific environment to compile nix package manager kinda needed [13:54:23] Wdym [13:55:26] to reinvent the wheel [13:55:42] Let them reinvent the wheel [13:56:08] can't only have Chromium, Gecko and WebKit fighting [13:56:25] in a dream world there would be other options [14:35:51] One day, Kai [14:36:02] We just got to wait for Ladybird to fully release [14:40:19] me [14:40:34] i see no point to use any other browser on mobile [14:41:35] why [14:42:27] Safari works fine and uses less power [14:42:59] On desktop Safari starts to show its flaws and I need more, so I use other browsers [14:48:02] (and cause all browsers on mobile are just reskinned Safari) [14:48:54] yes [14:49:22] i mean, in a way, this is good because you get to enjoy some system integration features regardless of the browser [14:49:25] for outside EU [14:49:31] inside too [14:49:34] even if there's a way [14:49:42] practically it is impossible [14:50:50] but this is the closest thing -> https://github.com/minh-ton/reynard-browser [14:51:06] [1/2] its all webkit.. [14:51:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1505945834133389412/IMG_0869.png?ex=6a0c78d9&is=6a0b2759&hm=78dc0179f275560005a61c92fba3b5eed62657fc60c105cf9a0b6b26edda74e8& [14:51:52] im surprised im only just now discovering this [14:52:59] Idk, WebKit kinda smooth as fuck [14:53:00] apple's walled garden [14:53:12] Firefox the biggest pile of shit the 21st century has ever seen [14:53:13] indeed [14:53:34] I'll glaze Helium with all of my life [14:53:47] I like Vivaldi [14:54:04] https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ [15:03:16] Me 2 [15:03:40] they had the balls so implement desktop-like browsers on mobile (portrait) so i'll give them that [15:04:08] aren't they killing off user agents anyway [15:04:18] I enjoy Vivaldi but it's quite overwhelming so I choose Helium [15:04:51] That'd break some pages and the Web is obsessed with keeping that unmodified old site from 1997 alive [15:04:59] They did suggest and implement an alternative to user agents [15:05:03] it's supposed to be now client hints [15:05:07] Yeah [15:05:08] I know mw now uses client hints in CU [15:05:12] but it also logs user agents [15:05:17] I don't like client hints tbh [15:05:43] What old site [15:05:56] Any site running a server that actually cares about the browser you're using [15:06:01] see [15:06:47] these days it shouldn't really matter though [15:07:02] you should serve the same page and just embed responsiveness into the page you serve [15:15:49] arguably mobilefrontend cares about your browser [15:16:08] more so desktop vs mobile than chrome vs firefox but still cares [15:19:13] Everyone asks what browser to use but they never ask how's the browser [15:41:48] or why is the browser [15:59:34] [1/6] Who is the browser? [15:59:35] [2/6] What is the browser? [15:59:35] [3/6] Where is the browser? [15:59:35] [4/6] When is the browser? [15:59:35] [5/6] Why is the browser? [15:59:36] [6/6] How is the browser? [16:00:14] Xyxan truly cares [16:18:15] It does? [16:21:18] Hmm, I use Chrome, no interst in trying niche bwoswers [16:25:27] yes, it determines whether it sends you the mobile or desktop version of the page (if you haven't manually toggled that) [16:37:57] i like the helium browser [16:38:12] i just heavily dislike how it has floating tabs [16:40:53] Tbh I see no pront in moving to chrome [16:43:31] There is that common low-hanging fruit joke that Chrome eats your RAM. [16:48:41] [1/2] Frankly I wouldn't know since I have 32 GB of RAM (before the AI inflation fucked everyone over) and they seem roughly the same amount of memory usage, of going on YouTube and playing the same video. [16:48:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1505975424864485587/image.png?ex=6a0c9468&is=6a0b42e8&hm=daa5f84d847d0b0fd581185c646be3f6e46ccd64b1d02e10e71c58bc9c8137f8& [16:55:36] I have 64 GB of RAM [17:03:07] everything eats ram these days [17:03:15] its all a chromium tab [17:04:46] I just use Firefox since that's what I've always used. [17:12:09] tbh my only gripe about chrome was the lack of proper vertical tab groups, which it does now [17:23:30] 6.9% [17:29:47] -# heh funi numbr [17:40:07] I mean if you have a firefox installation that you've been using for years vs a relatively fresh chrome installation, chrome's likely going to perform better [17:46:49] @justanotherdarkmodeuser we just made a discord for WG in the last couple months, I'm kind of hoping it'll be a gathering place for a lot of poweruser-y people [17:47:04] if we ever end up with thousands of people in the server then i've done something terribly wrong lol [17:47:30] wg is more traffic than miraheze but it's definitely less wikis, and a lot less coordination at the top level [17:47:42] Pinged in wg discord, I suggest you read it [18:11:04] is this why theres no text channel for general chat? [18:11:24] that was sort of the original idea but it's not really holding up to scrutiny lmao [18:14:50] People love to talk about random things and will do so even in the wrong space for it lol [20:27:06] #general ? [20:27:38] not this server [20:27:40] Ohhhh in WG discord [20:27:46] :steveo_kek2: [21:46:47] [1/2] is darkmatter in the serer [21:46:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506050443845959781/image.png?ex=6a0cda46&is=6a0b88c6&hm=e9daf0ca05fff6f1cbeaf6e60f05c3a9699050f7115312d3af7078028e195df9& [21:47:53] i'm aware he's reverting my edit in good faith but it's just a minor change for accesibility [21:51:47] He is [21:52:41] under a different name? [21:53:28] I would concur with the revert fwiw [21:53:51] If there's a problem with the discussion templates, that can be discussed and applied to all usages via the template [21:54:04] it's not the templates lol [21:54:11] Fixing a single usage on a historical RfC doesn't make sense [21:54:27] [1/2] not are there any [21:54:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506052373657944074/image.png?ex=6a0cdc12&is=6a0b8a92&hm=dbce997f895511d2c695f0f0dc367b192769d83d1f3c051635a469f9bf5247cc& [21:55:07] I have no clue what point you're making there [21:55:17] @darkfawfulguy64 [21:55:37] they're hard-coded colors, which makes it horrible to read on dark mode [21:57:05] Okay but surely that applies to every use of the template? [21:57:53] I know it's been substituted in this case but the issue should be present with every use of the discussion archive [21:59:52] But I'm going to stand with @darkfawfulguy64, the change is inappropriate imo. [22:10:07] The change that you made was unnecessary, and as such, that was the reason why I reverted your edit, and left you a notice. [22:10:52] I'm right here. [22:45:23] [1/2] I'm with Barto here [22:45:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506065192700874792/image.png?ex=6a0ce803&is=6a0b9683&hm=b5947b579d4c1e3236e1e0666177aa3b0949520d50da449e1c24706be08bdc23& [22:49:17] I also agree with Barto's change. It did not modify content and it's literally unreadable on dark mode. It is also before the line saying not to modify the following. [22:49:31] https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416 [22:52:26] it is also very much minor, the colors will look the same when using any skin that doesn't use variables (ex: the previous skin meta used which is vector 2010) [22:54:54] I know you had good intentions, and I'm not denying that. [22:55:11] it also only says edits may be reverted [22:55:48] @bartomelow I do appreciate what you were trying to do though. [22:58:52] thinking about it the same could probably be done by modifying Common.css [22:59:25] nah you'd have to be overriding inline styles [23:40:49] what blink browsers do you guys know of [23:41:20] that isn't chrome [23:42:50] or edge [23:43:44] literally all of them except firefox [23:43:57] examples [23:44:13] Brave (homophobic Chrome), Microsoft Chrome, Opera (Norwegian Chrome), vivaldi [23:44:13] netscape the IP ripoff version used so the rights holders can pretend they're doing something with it [23:44:38] Are the brave developers homophobic? [23:44:52] the ceo has said some unpleasant things [23:44:54] I mean I know they’re crypto shills so I’m not terribly surprised [23:45:29] gosh [23:45:32] i HATE floating tabs [23:46:15] I almost googled “brave homophobia” before realizing that would likely get me shitty articles about people “standing up” to lgbtq stuff [23:46:31] LOL [23:46:46] I mean it would probably not be called homophobia in such cases bc optics [23:47:10] Helium colors aren't that good either, imo [23:47:16] [1/2] not sure if i like this [23:47:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506080766314942506/image.png?ex=6a0cf684&is=6a0ba504&hm=243ce7da1f6c73507cef34f666935463b5f34a8068e02e018011bf2b9f9edada& [23:47:29] i prefer if it looked somewhat like chrome, or if it had a setting for that [23:48:05] ceo [23:48:31] In short, the Brave CEO was fired from Mozilla for wanting to ban same-sex marriage. [23:48:59] https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/ [23:52:36] These people are such snowflakes that they can't stand seeing people liking the same gender... I don't get it really. [23:53:05] it's embarassing [23:53:48] tho a lot of homophobes buy in to weird scary things they've heard about it that basically make defenders sound like they're defending things that are Actually Obviously Wrong [23:55:13] I see it less with gay people than with trans people these days like you'll see transphobes being like "how can you defend this trans people shouldn't be watching little kids undress!" and you'll go "...neither should cis people?" and they'll call you the crazy one [23:56:00] Then I go, "where are you seeing this stuff anyway?" [23:56:13] "this says more a lot about you than you realize" [23:59:27] [1/2] "what if trans women go in to sexually abuse cis women?" [23:59:28] [2/2] "...buddy, cis men can walk in too" [23:59:51] I mean that doesn't help the defense