[00:00:06] Hm? [00:05:20] This is another wiki that got forked: https://wiki.playvalorant.com [00:07:27] their design is mediocre at best [00:11:28] Nah I think Weird Gloop and wiki.gg have the best looks [00:11:46] no it just looks ugly [00:16:55] I think it looks fine [00:18:03] Looks pretty swanky [00:20:57] It looks fine to me too [00:21:53] is excellent [00:21:58] Could have a flashier UI, sure [00:22:03] But I don't think it's bad at all [00:22:09] im very nice. [00:22:27] meowww ur pfp cat black [00:22:42] a:cat_5: [00:22:58] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506452134676271134/IMG_1417.jpeg?ex=6a0e5061&is=6a0cfee1&hm=41fdbc259571461b7879a735ce887ebd63ad66838772c02dcdbf28494eb67a6e& [00:23:07] life real [00:26:40] I foster 5-6 stray cats that live nearby [00:27:12] Sometimes they just skip the food and want to see me instead [00:27:18] no its indonesia dude [00:27:27] and literally i cannot leave [00:27:30] they won't let me [00:27:47] they wont let me? [00:28:01] they won't let me leave (walk away) [00:28:17] oh okaay [00:28:33] they get in front of your legs and it's impossible to walk without tripping over [00:28:44] once i had to ask a friend to distract them with food lol [00:28:52] ye [00:29:11] @catemotional_56082 is over there add please? [00:30:49] unai add catemotional please. [00:41:36] [1/3] extremely minor, but shouldn't it be [00:41:37] [2/3] > This website is developed and run by Weird Gloop. [00:41:37] [3/3] instead of "ran" in the bottom text? [00:44:26] [1/2] The big question is: does it do the job of effectively serving answers to the questions people are bringing to the wiki? [00:44:26] [2/2] I'd say yes. Styling beyond that is subjective, and I've definitely seen much worse. [00:45:26] Little busy/compact for my tastes, but perfectly serviceable. [00:46:29] (Also looks much better on mobile, which... yeah, that's how a lot of folks are getting their content these days) [00:47:22] I'm just a regular user xD [01:58:01] Samsung Browser is solid [02:22:45] Hello, today is TUESDAY in California. [02:39:22] Mediocre at best [02:50:40] Amazing. I don't see a public announcement so I would assume that they are still preparing for the final launch. [02:50:56] Kind of like https://wiki.subnautica.com/sn2/ which is viewable but not yet advertised [03:34:58] [1/2] It was advertised on Reddit tho [03:34:58] [2/2] https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/s/5zobYZ1ZYQ [03:35:39] Oh nvm. I guess it wasn't indexed by Google because I didn't find any announcements. [05:05:56] I have 3 adblockers so I see no ads [05:05:57] weirdGloop is on a roll [05:06:42] My wiki design was inpsired by RuneScape wiki [05:17:16] This is why we left Fandoom, plus it made my computer lag to where I swap to my page file, even with an adblocker. 😭 [05:20:03] ^ yeah the lag was the worst part imo [05:20:38] pages frequently crashed for me too since I'm a chronic tab opener [05:22:30] I use a 2019 Acer Aspire 5 thin notebook laptop and it's seen its days. I've had a page or two crash due to low memory. [05:23:53] i use an asus zephyrus g15, a gaming laptop, and it still lags and crashes for me [05:24:34] it's old-ish at this point, but no other site has crashed as consistently as fandom has on it [05:27:15] Fandoom is just pure unoptimized (possibly vibe-coded) garbage of a website. I'm surprised no one ever considering of leaving after going insane from all the slowdown and, if you don't have an adblocker, advertisements. [05:43:08] they're not even consistent with the rules and guidelines 🤡 [05:45:34] i once got globalled for violating the forking policy, fair enough, then i got unblocked and continued to do meaningful contributions. even though there were a few times where i did ask on a few small wikis I admin "what do you guys think of forking?", which is allowed within their policy, but they still blocked me mostly based on reasoning that leans into "vibes" [06:16:32] There's also used to be lots of questions asked in Fandom discord about many things. Now, the most active channels are only general, help-request and ironically, spam-vandal-report-discussion lol [11:14:16] why do you have 3 [11:14:35] IDK, I have at lest 2 [12:44:11] i use ublock origin on pc and wblock on ios [13:01:56] I only use uBlock. [13:02:10] ubo configured supersedes any other blocker [13:02:27] adding more blockers on top of it could create race conditions and adversely affect privacy or effectiveness [13:03:02] Agree [13:03:11] If i need more blocked ads I just configure the lists [13:03:19] the exception is if a blocker is specifically targeting a type of behavior and is not doing the same kind of interception as ubo, but the reason I'm on about ubo is because it obsoletes most of those too [13:03:54] for example ubo functionally replaces the reason I ever had noscript in the past on top of its filter lists because I can opt into sites [13:04:34] and if I absolutely want to get as granular as noscript I'd look at something like umatrix from the same dev which has even more granular controls than noscript. But for most this is likely very overkill [13:05:32] I do stress the 'o' part becaue ublock is not the same credentialed project and its something different [13:05:38] Today is the day I finally dual boot Zorin OS and Windows [13:05:51] good luck [13:05:52] also stay far away from that ublock origin website domain, not official at all either [13:05:58] good luck indeed [13:06:16] Can't be that hard, right? [13:06:30] -# Narrator: It was. [13:17:59] alright how long do we think until barto bricks his system and has to spend 5 hours fixing it [13:18:15] (he put a semicolon in the wrong place) [13:22:08] lemme remove a package, wait why did my desktop disappear [14:42:55] [1/4] I deleted about 227,000 words of lore from my wiki today [14:42:56] [2/4] The reason is to make the lore more consisant as a lot was written before I refactored the place history sections to allow for longer/more complex history [14:42:56] [3/4] So instend of 500 words for all history, it is 500 words per era for all 14 eras (~7000 words total) [14:42:56] [4/4] think of it as taking out a lot of code from a temple as you wanted to make it better but could not with the old code [15:28:42] [1/2] "I deleted about 227,000 words of lore from my wiki today [15:28:42] [2/2] Here's what it taught me about B2B sales" [15:30:37] Pah [15:53:50] How welcoming [16:08:54] . [16:52:27] [1/2] and it shows [16:52:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506701147488915506/IMG_0417.png?ex=6a0f384a&is=6a0de6ca&hm=74910ea31d04e18849114bb5e99b86987919033cc29ea29552ec870b4c687fe9& [17:04:25] [1/2] PFFT [17:04:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506704160815448134/IMG_0418.png?ex=6a0f3b19&is=6a0de999&hm=1b915194c5274a99a6f2018a56bf8338024e1e7d247dbef56d32f0959db98eb4& [17:16:59] it should be 0 [17:26:15] I found funny they still posted about Core Web Vitals as if they didn't have ads [17:47:17] Huh is there a lot of B2B sales scam going around? [17:47:44] dunno about that [17:47:59] but I was satiricizing linkedin posts [17:48:22] IDK, never understood linkedin [19:07:36] I try to stay away from it as much as I can [19:10:07] ... I do not even know what it is... [19:30:57] [1/2] ||https://www.reddit.com/r/antkeeping/comments/1tirhks/monomorium_minimum/|| [19:30:57] [2/2] This ant soicty is intersing. TW: Large amounts of ants/insects/insect eggs [19:51:50] HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE ANTS [20:03:27] They're so cute [20:06:14] Fasnating creatures, ants are [20:06:40] People keep bees as well [20:07:08] yeah but at least bees contribute to the environment [20:07:42] do i have to engage in a yearly war and utilise cryogenic weaponry against bees every year? [20:07:55] Tbh British bees would be nice to see more of in my garden [20:09:45] Ants do have their uses I guiess, Gemini says "[ants] improve soil health by aerating the earth with their tunnels, accelerate the decomposition of organic waste, and control agricultural pest populations by preying on insects" [21:22:10] My favorite part of LinkedIn is how everything is marketed as “remote work” when it’s literally impossible to be remote [21:22:35] Like I see “remote indoor photography” listings all the time. [21:24:10] everything about linkedin sucks at a glance tbh [21:24:27] its corporate hell mixed with privacy hell among other worst behaviors of big tech [21:24:32] I can take photos of my room if they want remote indoors [21:25:03] Indeed [21:25:17] I get "messages" and "notifications" all the time but it's been a few years since i saw a real human [21:25:18] And the forced positivity on everything [21:25:43] there's a whole subreddit for that [21:25:48] Although I quote the girlfriend feedback copypasta like once a week [21:25:54] https://www.reddit.com/r/LinkedInLunatics/ name on point [21:27:45] [1/2] I got an ad that I honestly just thought was a post lmao [21:27:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506770432185860186/IMG_3701.png?ex=6a0f78d1&is=6a0e2751&hm=c1c44c8cdb4c5f2855faac1dd14a0811636f5b05794bcba901199e4812ce0f4e& [21:29:31] "You're completely right, I wiped the production database. When you come home, you can fix it. Sorry!" [21:36:11] until ads are not stuff like this I feel entirely validated saying block everything ruthlessly [21:36:40] I'd probably still do it because I'm bitter about ads as a concept, but at least then you'd undercut my moral imperative for recommending it [21:56:45] I REALLY love it when extensions use codex colors while we're using legacy vector so you have to dig through it to find out that you also have to set these [21:56:47] wonderfoul [22:00:10] Ya I just keep forgetting to get an adblocker on my phone [22:01:07] The wonders of most skins not having support for Codex [22:01:47] what kind [22:02:14] iPhone [22:02:31] although apple or android my advice is not a lot different. Prefer to run via browser, add ublock origin or a functional equivalent, and use a dns level blocker for where apps may be necessary since it usually gets them [22:02:58] [1/4] forgive me for doing this [22:02:58] [2/4] "what about my backup database?" the human asks the ai. the ai is chomping down on several hard drives at once, releasing pieces of circuit boards green as emeralds and sharp metal that could pierce through the hardest motherboard [22:02:59] [3/4] the robot looks at the human, its eyes green. but the shine of its eyes arent like the emerald of the circut boards—moreso an ugly, oozy swamp colour. "thanks for pointing that out!" it says. it whirrs its eyes down onto one of the mutilated drives. "i see that this hard drive has a tape that reads 'backup'. my apologies!" [22:02:59] [4/4] it goes onto the next hard drive. [22:03:06] safari I believe has recently gotten ubo compatibility on android and the only time that's really failed me is when I meet someone with a phone over a decade old [22:03:07] [1/2] here's a better one; wiki.gg uses entirely different layout for thumbnails and I am not sure on what am I missing because I went through all the extensions they were using [22:03:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1506779331735720046/image.png?ex=6a0f811b&is=6a0e2f9b&hm=4638310ac7211361597a243978d1e153900e76d246c0edbee57b2e3e47a37f7d& [22:03:33] and due to this the thumbs were overflowing with the og CSS [22:03:54] decided to just gut it out and rewrite it entirely with snippets from their style [22:04:07] I try not to use my phone for web browsing too much and when I do I usually just read Wikipedia [22:13:36] I rarely use my phone for playing vidya games, but I do have uBlock on my browser and use YouTube ReVanced. [22:14:01] -# Made sure I got the GitHub repo than some website [22:22:42] Likely AWS [22:22:52] Which they do have enabled [22:27:51] on iPhone (and Mac sometimes) I use https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlock [22:28:32] Danke [22:31:40] they really should have fallbacks though [22:34:33] they do but they're hardcoded [22:34:37] just like vector [22:55:47] Didn't they also make all the codex variables into CSS variables for vector? Or am I imagining that? [22:57:28] Idk though, something about them using less for the codex variables knowing full well on wiki CSS does not support less is annoying [22:57:46] The usefulness of LESS these days is about at an end [23:02:55] no some stuff is just resillient [23:03:37] I am not touching less files with a 10 foot pole, especially because I literally don't have ftp/ssh access [23:03:50] and it's gonna be a nightmare on updates [23:04:16] the syntax also seems about as digestible as mediawiki inline lua at times [23:05:06] or I'm stupid actually I have yet to see [23:05:12] again [23:06:03] LESS watching as CSS slowly implements everything that made it unique, basically making it also slowly go extinct [23:08:43] It is still being dragged by browser support (especially Safari) [23:08:57] Real [23:09:24] Yes it is exposed for some skins, though not all skins expose Codex color tokens as CSS variables [23:09:25] Alistair do you know if they implement codex variables as CSS cars? [23:09:34] Ah lol beat me to it [23:09:39] CSS cars interesting [23:09:48] I think only Vector and Minerva did it because they need it for dark mode support [23:10:20] Citizen does too, we actually expose more Codex tokens outside of color. I am not sure what other skins do though [23:10:45] I have no idea how my cargo/lua guy understands whatever he's writing at times [23:10:50] It would be great if they did something to expose them globally irrelevant of skin [23:11:34] but it does work and thank god [23:12:21] Yeah but I doubt that it will be worked on by WMF. No other WMF skins need Codex tokens, and the Codex team was downsized [23:12:29] site rendering is always gonna be less intensive than making users do it clientside [23:12:42] Yea, WMF developers are also incompetent so there's that [23:13:18] I wouldn't say incompetent. For this specific case, it is just that there is a bigger fish to fry, and the blast radius is too big [23:13:19] But like, don't push this frontend framework bollocks and then only half implement it its genuinely embarrasing [23:13:38] idk some stuff uses codex and some stuff is hardcoded so you need to make gazillion aliases to get it together [23:13:56] just look at the vector.css from wiki.gg and how huge it is [23:14:05] It is safer that way, touching skins outside of Vector 2022 and MinervaNeue often results in angry pitchfolks with low ROI [23:14:32] I would like vector2022 if not for the fact that it's too blocky/modern lol [23:14:44] I think as third party, the most useful thing is to identify color usage in extensions and create PR for them to use Codex tokens [23:14:55] citizen is more for docs rather than a wiki really [23:15:20] there's very little room in actually stylizing it since everything is flat by default [23:15:20] I probably would try not to copy wikigg styles if you can help it since they're doing some funky stuff over there with Vector [23:15:39] I suppose yeah [23:15:43] I am trying to get the bare essentials working and that's it [23:15:50] What wiki.gg does make sense, but the gist is really learning to use CSS variables [23:15:56] no customization because who needs that [23:16:33] and color-mix/rgba maybe [23:16:41] wiki.gg tried to make Vector themable with CSS variables, hence the large CSS file [23:16:51] well yeah they also support light theme [23:17:06] literally everything is tweakable but it works properly only on their mediawiki fork [23:17:16] it falls apart on stock [23:17:23] Can't wait for vector2035 [23:17:50] they should be bashed for using PNGs instead of vector graphics for sitelogo though [23:20:42] I just hope scrapers won't eat us all [23:21:07] because weirdgloop has such an issue and we're fairly small and independent so it shouldn't be as bad [23:22:55] idk studio found spare hardware to host it and I am not complaining, at most I can blame myself for my stupidity when anything happens and the sleepy sysadmin that hasn't imported everything for a month now [23:23:21]