[00:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [1/2] That’s my girlfriends favorite gif lol
[00:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529277262858424550/IMG_5277.png?ex=6a6159f0&is=6a600870&hm=62baa024a8362409c68ea1ca8af68b52a0f6a4126a1cd39ed3d48d9ccca71cb7&
[00:04:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dmehus> @posix_memalign since you're quite involved with Miraheze Communities Wiki, now that I've had a look at the purpose of that project, as a Wikibase wiki cataloguing Miraheze-hosted wikis, what are your thoughts on replacing the [[Gazetteer of wikis]] on Meta Wiki with a soft interwiki redirect to Communities Wiki?
[00:04:12] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Gazetteer_of_wikis
[00:04:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Gazetteer_of_wikis>
[00:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> hhgregg
[00:11:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to nukesme> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529247160711778334/brandbird.gif
[00:11:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to dmehus> [1/2] I think that'll be a net improvement in the long run, but the Gazetteer is easier to edit, has been around for longer, and contains more entries, so there are arguments for keeping it as-is.
[00:11:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to dmehus> [2/2] Promoting the Communities Wiki to an official project is probably the first thing we'd want to do before advertising it more widely.
[00:12:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> AI will never recreate the human clumsiness when it comes to website building
[00:12:13] <dmehus>	 True. Agree it should be an official project
[00:12:51] <dmehus>	 Something to think about in the longer term, perhaps adding an easy to understand guide on how to add to and edit on Communities Wiki
[00:13:23] <dmehus>	 but yes, agree Communities Wiki is going to be a huge net improvement overall. Pairs well with WikiDiscover
[00:17:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> i wanna try creating a website on nekoweb sometime, it sounds fun!!!
[00:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dev.eris> I just started a Miraheze Wiki. A lot more to read, to write, and to do. Time for fun!:)
[00:52:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dev.eris> Oh, it's Miraheze's birthday? What a coincidence! Pleased to start at that day.
[00:58:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> advertising the communities wiki prominently on the gazetteer might be a starting point
[01:09:25] <dmehus>	 @raidarr, agree
[01:09:36] <dmehus>	 @raidarr, see -cvt when you get a chance
[02:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> i saw a goat today
[02:28:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> it was cute, i like goats.
[03:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [1/2] Fandom Wiki is now cracking down on inactive wikis by shutting them down after a month.
[03:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529332429632966826/Screenshot_2026_0722_103826.png?ex=6a618d50&is=6a603bd0&hm=0722ef20af97e9f21d8ef6b7264972d9e74b898c7c7d4119b422dbe340ae73ef&
[03:43:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> But we should use Miraheze, WikiOasis, Wiki.gg, etc., rather than Fandom Wiki.
[03:43:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Use us! We're better than them! WeirdGloop is cool.
[03:44:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao, replying to wickerbasket2540> True :Mari_CookieOE:
[03:52:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [1/2] RFC but Nepal Gen Z ":OpposeMH: :StrongestOpposeMH:" ahhh :emoji_34: :emoji_34:
[03:52:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529335321261641818/6267963B-2066-4779-B123-AD4A7CFB303C.png?ex=6a619002&is=6a603e82&hm=a0f339b699a90c7414c20a0c81f545aa23f013a23d06d518d912874f91399c8d&
[03:54:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> This looks like some IBWiki silliness
[03:55:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I gotta give them some credit for innovations in ways to say yes or no
[03:55:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (with a healthy helping of alt accounts
[03:56:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> I have 70 alt accounts! /j
[03:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao, replying to sillythao> "reception wikis are a failed thing tbh"
[04:39:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elisapoly> Would anyone dare to use this https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Special:GameUtility/Blocksmith
[04:40:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elisapoly> This is the statement from gaming manager two weeks ago https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:SLScool#Upcoming_Feature_Release:_Blocksmith
[04:41:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catherinemaybe> that's some scuffed japanese roofing xd
[04:43:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to sillythao> this made me day lol
[04:58:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540, replying to elisapoly> Uh, no. I'd go with minecraft.wiki, not with... this.
[05:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> virgin minecraft fandom wiki vs chad minecraft.wiki
[06:28:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Someone make that a meme.
[07:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to sillythao> really? does that mean our abandoned place which keeps robbing our seo can get shut down?
[07:43:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dev.eris, replying to elisapoly> Letting AI do the fun design part and then the player tediously gathering all the resources, placing blocks, and finally building it, working hard to bring that generated design to life... absolutely nothing wrong with that. /s
[07:45:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to honoka55> not really, I have a bunch of relatively inactive wikis still there, none of them were closed
[07:46:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> god, I wish I could get the fandoom counterparts of forked wikis I edit to be closed
[07:48:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> especially with the recent news of gta.wiki getting plagiarized, which gives the impression of them being potential breeding grounds of plagiarism
[07:57:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> oh i forgot to send them a dmca notice
[07:57:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to justleafy2003> so what's their one month shut down about?
[08:02:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> no idea
[08:04:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i've only seen newly created wikis that are not active enough get deleted by them
[08:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> it would be good idea if they'd like to expand this to older wikis
[08:08:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to honoka55> ehh, imo, it's a double edge sword
[08:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> I would agree to Fandom getting rid of Fandom counterparts of forked wikis, no question
[08:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but there are still a lot of topics/media that only have a Fandom wiki and that do not have activity now
[08:11:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but if Fandom got rid of their counterparts of forked wikis, basically nothing of value would be lost. in fact, us indie wiki editors would obviously greatly benefit with this happening
[08:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to justleafy2003> ah yes. tbh i prefer they only delete moved wikis
[08:25:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> but obviously they have no reason to do so
[09:19:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I honestly don't expect them to actually use that for its stated purpose, because they're quite happily leaving old pre-fork wikis up. I suspect it may just be another tool to let them get rid of wikis they don't like.
[09:20:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i agree. they even keep merged wikis alive
[09:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <alau740, replying to sillythao> Is this a new fandom policy
[09:35:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Nah
[09:35:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> There can be any reasons why that wiki was closed, including inactivity
[09:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> @sillythao how many pages did your Fandom wiki have?
[09:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> 3 :emoji_34:
[09:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> I don't have free time.
[09:38:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> Because I focus on WikiTriston
[09:39:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> WikiPharston is a Dev wiki
[09:41:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <alau740, replying to sillythao> I see, maybe they think the wiki was abandoned
[09:42:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> In fact, Duyen Luu and I are developers on GitHub.a:ppensivee: a:ppensivee:
[09:44:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529423873647579300/Screenshot_2026-07-22_16.43.30.png?ex=6a61e27a&is=6a6090fa&hm=97122b646676e96756fde40d44f4b91235b956e498cd4b23104cf1ba233da3b1&
[10:08:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to sillythao> No wonder why it was closed
[10:08:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Fandom automatically closes wikis with less than 11 or 12 pages
[10:09:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao, replying to sillythao> When developing I18n:
[10:49:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tphamtranba, replying to sillythao> All the indignation of humanity is gathered in this comment 🐧🐧🐧
[10:59:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao, replying to tphamtranba> [1/2] Alt-history 🐧🐧🐧
[10:59:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao, replying to tphamtranba> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529442643166236703/Screenshot_2026-07-22_17.53.14.png?ex=6a61f3f5&is=6a60a275&hm=47af59acaa537eb8800e2698b8b461995054a1a0137bd409ecaf372fd66969d9&
[11:01:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tphamtranba, replying to sillythao> sounds good
[11:01:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tphamtranba> 🐸
[11:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [1/2] Wikipedia needs to notability, source, and be independent of the article "Miraheze".
[11:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sillythao> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529452491572379740/Screenshot_2026-07-22_18.31.35.png?ex=6a61fd21&is=6a60aba1&hm=ff808a566b1c18740fd91b0d61ad215ce3f70656a2f81b52f4600324ce95bdcb&
[12:24:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> iirc it now redirects to a section of wiki hosting service or what
[12:26:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [1/2] tho it's an independent article on wikipedia of 10 other languages
[12:26:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529464642965864478/image.png?ex=6a620872&is=6a60b6f2&hm=24da73cfd3d4f4b4f9639490573281098bdcdc8751f638646c1f25681273555f&
[12:30:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Either due to lower notability standards or Miraheze is surprisingly notable in those countries
[12:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Probably the former
[14:06:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/2] @wickerbasket2540
[14:06:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529489840972890264/image.png?ex=6a621fea&is=6a60ce6a&hm=411e342e5a030f94095e91c05bbd11289a8f2e1efbc8a322faf50fb8d2c17c9e&
[14:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [1/2] https://www.reddit.com/r/fursuit/s/8PQY9t92zm
[14:10:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> [2/2] Impressed
[14:37:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catherinemaybe, replying to justleafy2003> fun fact one of my browser settings doesn't appear to save some cookie or something from fandom, so everytime i accidentally click on a fandom link the huge ass "are you a child or an adult" popup appears and i immediately notice and close the site because you genuinely cannot progress or see anything without answering lol
[14:38:38] <XNDUIW_Simon>	 I don't seem to find FANDOM reliable for storing records to be honest.
[14:39:16] <XNDUIW_Simon>	 Especially as a niche Roblox game developer myself, I would have to host technical documentation on Miraheze instead.
[14:42:42] <XNDUIW_Simon>	 @justleafy2003 As these might not work out well on Fandom due to their TOU
[14:48:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to catherinemaybe> ublock origin blocks the popup for me
[14:50:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catherinemaybe> [1/2] yeah i dont think i have it configured to
[14:50:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <catherinemaybe> [2/2] and i wont fix it, it's doing the valuable service of making me realize right away instead of wasting a second to see the giant foreground frame thing they have around the site
[15:05:11] <dmehus>	 heh I must've been overworked in 2021... I never got around to clearing my wiki notifications. Interestingly, they survived the migration to WikiTide and everything. :upside_down: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OGJNDNGN/Screenshot%202026-07-22%20080258.png
[17:11:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 600ms wholly hell
[17:11:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> That's crazy
[17:12:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But also PHP7 can't be right? 🤔
[17:13:19] <dmehus>	 @originalauthority? 569ms is not bad compared to the 2020-2021 days. as for PHP7, it uses a gadget on DevWiki @cosmicalpha wrote/heavily adapted. May be a bug? 🤔
[17:16:43] * dmehus remembers the php3 days when the filenames ended in `*.php3`
[17:31:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elisapoly> [1/2] https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1v2xfpr/blizzard_gm_death_touching_mobs_in_m23_for_their/
[17:31:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elisapoly> [2/2] I dunno if this new is of interest to anyone but here lol
[20:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529586609237004338/HN2CCP1aMAAyJvH.png?ex=6a627a09&is=6a612889&hm=0ab38af763974c7d6097065054c584536aae2b373af4f702de3a3d6962e33743&
[21:16:07] <RhinosF1>	 dmehus: there was no migration to wikitide
[21:16:23] <RhinosF1>	 WikiTide wikis which were created while it was a separate project merged back into our infra
[21:16:40] <RhinosF1>	 So they didn't survive it because it never happened
[21:20:12] <MacFan4000>	 https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:BackendInformation.js#L-19 indeed php7 is hardcoded in there
[21:20:59] <MacFan4000>	 updated to php8
[21:22:23] <MacFan4000>	 this script also seems to predate the new server hostnames etc hence the / /
[21:25:06] <dmehus>	 RhinosF1: what was that in reply to?
[21:25:14] <dmehus>	 MacFan4000: wow, thanks :)
[21:25:51] <MacFan4000>	 rhinos was referring to 11:05 <dmehus> heh I must've been overworked in 2021... I never got around to clearing my wiki notifications. Interestingly, they survived the migration to WikiTide and everything. :upside_down: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OGJNDNGN/Screenshot%202026-07-22%20080258.png
[21:25:52] <RhinosF1>	 16:05:11 <dmehus> heh I must've been overworked in 2021... I never got around to clearing my wiki notifications. Interestingly, they survived the migration to WikiTide and everything. :upside_down: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OGJNDNGN/Screenshot%202026-07-22%20080258.png
[21:26:19] <dmehus>	 RhinosF1: oh, yes, fair
[21:27:08] <dmehus>	 yeah, I guess technically speaking, the WikiTide databases were merged into Miraheze, then migrated to new infrastructure?
[21:28:17] <RhinosF1>	 Since 2021 they'll have survived SCSVG - FSSLC ye
[21:28:45] <RhinosF1>	 Actually OVLON -> SCSVG -> FSSLC
[21:29:00] <RhinosF1>	 But echo notifications are just rows in a database, they won't go missing
[21:30:16] <dmehus>	 Good summary. Thanks. :)
[21:30:50] <dmehus>	 SCSVG was when we owned our hardware and colocated it in the UK, right?
[21:32:21] <RhinosF1>	 yes
[21:32:36] <RhinosF1>	 OVLON = OVh London
[21:32:51] <RhinosF1>	 SCSVG = Server Choice SteVenaGe
[21:33:04] <RhinosF1>	 FSSLC = FibreState Salt Lake City
[21:33:07] <RhinosF1>	 dmehus: ^
[21:36:20] <dmehus>	 RhinosF1: thanks :)
[21:38:19] <dmehus>	 And we now just use OVH for ns2 and the WT Mattermost instance from the looks of it
[21:47:06] <MacFan4000>	 Yup
[21:47:28] <MacFan4000>	 [[Tech:Server usage]]
[21:47:28] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_usage
[21:47:47] <MacFan4000>	 This list should be up to date
[22:28:27] <dmehus>	 thanks MacFan4000 :)
[22:49:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> hello, just popping in to ask
[22:49:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [1/3] anyone here
[22:49:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [2/3] 1. know php, and
[22:49:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [3/3] 2. want to help with a dumb little project i'm working on :P
[23:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [1/3] getting citizen to latest is... https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15192
[23:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529638021698289816/obraz.png?ex=6a62a9eb&is=6a61586b&hm=0bea66f55e8da7f22e4c10b66bb05c1228adba76e25a352fac8003fe5063a455&
[23:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1529638022050480230/obraz.png?ex=6a62a9eb&is=6a61586b&hm=96b2807972a3021236022c22e07d3b242ab5b0167aba8dff7230c874a1d02e76&
[23:56:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> 3.14, 3.15 and 3.16 had html changes